On 9 July, MPs have a final vote on the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill.

In spite of the concessions made by Labour yesterday, we are still recommending that you contact your MP and ask them to vote against the bill at third reading. 

We know that only 49 Labour MPs rebelled in the end.  But we also believe, given the speeches being made in the Commons yesterday, that a lot more would have rebelled if Timms had not announced at the last hour that they were going to remove the 4-point rule from the bill.

It may be, if your MP voted in favour of the bill, that after they have had time to consider things they will wonder if they made the wrong decision in the heat of the moment.

Below are some of the reasons you might want to give for voting against the amended bill, or you may have some of your own.  The important thing is that you make it clear, if you believe it is the case, that the bill still harms disabled people and it should not go ahead.


Hundreds of thousands of future disabled claimants still be harmed by their UC health element being almost halved, compared to current claimants, and then frozen.

The severe conditions criteria are extremely hard to meet.  The requirement that claimants meet them “constantly” rather than “for the majority of the time” is unreasonable and harsh. Claimants with degenerative conditions such as Parkinson’s, multiple sclerosis and muscular dystrophy generally follow a slow path of decreasing ability, with periods of remission.  Long after it is clear they will never work again they will have periods of remission.  At the moment, a claimant in these circumstances would get the full health element. But from April 2026, new claimants in the same position will only get around half this amount.

Claimants have not been consulted on the changes in the current bill at all.

The Bill has become a confusing shambles with little resemblance to the original text.  MPs will have very little time to study the ever changing government amendments before they vote.

A committee process that should take weeks or even months, looking at amendments and getting advice from experts, will all be done in a single afternoon on 9 July, as the government rushes the bill through.

The government wants the bill to be certified as a money bill, preventing the House of lords from having any say over it.

MPs will be voting without seeing a formal impact assessment of the effect of the bill on health or care needs or the Office For Budget Responsibility assessment of how many people will move into work as a result of the changes.

The way in which coproduction with disabled claimants of the Timms review will work has not been explained.  Given the very poor standard of the Green Paper consultation, it’s vital that the government shows how it’s going to do better this time.

Disability charities and trades unions are still very much against the bill, even with concessions.

The UC protection may be only temporary for 600,000 current claimants who get the UC health element but don’t get PIP daily living component.  They may not be protected once the work capability assessment is abolished and PIP daily living is the gateway to UC health in 2028.

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    · 2 hours ago
    ''The requirement that claimants meet them “constantly” rather than “for the majority of the time” is unreasonable and harsh. Claimants with degenerative conditions such as Parkinson’s, multiple sclerosis and muscular dystrophy generally follow a slow path of decreasing ability, with periods of remission.''

    Its not just those diseases! 

    Where the hell are the specialist doctors in all of this? 
    Why arent they sticking up for us? 
    They know that there are many diseases which are completely crippling but there are periods when it is possible to move about a bit and appear to be normal, but afterwards this just makes the symptoms worse...

    I feel like calling the GMC and screaming down the phone at them. What the bloody hell are you bloody doctors doing about this?!!!

    These proposals are akin to pulling people, out of hospice beds, or high dependency wards, who have already been found to meet the Gov 2008 severe conditions criteria, and are in the LCWRA group, (will never work again) and dumping them on the street with nothing at all.


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    · 3 hours ago
    My mp dosent care, he's in favour.  He only interested in his career
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    · 4 hours ago
    And even if some people can get the pip on the new style system with timms writing the rules their surely will be some kind of duty to engage with it as part of the award 
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    · 7 hours ago
    @sib, re your post about having to get pip to get uc health element -
    "Alternatively it could bite Labour on the backside and they could end up getting PIP as well!"

    Which is exactly the sort of thing that happens time and time over when one income
    stream is denied or lost or is inadequate:

    delayed state pension - people claim pip/esa then keep pip on top of pension
    winter fuel allowance withdrawn - people claim pension credit then get wfa on top
    uc/jsa/esa/job - people claim pip/housing benefit then keep them on top of uc/jsa/esa/job
    job - people claim uc/jsa/esa/pip/housing benefit/furlough then keep some combination
    housing benefit - people claim pip then get both on top of job/jsa/esa/pension/pension credit
    pip - people claim carers allowance as well
    Uc - people claim pip then get both, plus health element
    anything - people claim everything
    everything - people go to food banks

    The list is not exhaustive. When one benefit is claimed it is almost inevitable that losing it will impact another and tip the household into poverty, so they find something else to claim, how can they not?

    Of course the number of pip claimants will increase. People will have to claim it to get health element, or they'll have less. When people get less, they're forced to apply for other things so then they have more. But that's all ok, cos it's gonna save the treasury billions.

    No wonder Rachel Thieves was weeping. She so wanted people to have less but she keeps giving them more. She just can't help it. It's like a curse, and the wicked witches of the west, Endall and Gayner will never lift it, because they're under the super curse of Harmer and only the people with special powers, the sick and poor, and very small mps can see it
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    · 12 hours ago
    Is lcwra definitely being scrapped or will there be a vote on it?
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      · 3 hours ago
      @John What are the chances if it getting voted against do we don't lose those groups 
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      · 10 hours ago
      @John Is that definite John?
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      · 10 hours ago
      @Anon It will need to be debated and voted on by parliament as they will need to pass legislation or amend existing primary legislation to:
      Abolish the Work Capability Assessment and with it LCW and LCWRA groups. And replace the current system with eligibility to UC health element based on receiving PIP. 
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    · 13 hours ago
    Basically is Timms going to scrap PIP in all but name? (similar to the scrapping of DLA) and everyone will have to reapply again under possibility restrictive disciptors. Here we go again 
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      · 11 hours ago
      @Starmer Out I think it is more likely existing PIP recipients will be protected with all future reassessments kept under the existing system. And new claimants will be very badly affected with greatly reduced eligibility and greatly reduced incapacity benefits. Then a future government targets the legacy PIP recipients.

      But at this rate we may not know what Labour is going to do until autumn 2026 or later
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    · 13 hours ago
    I have worked 15hr shifts 6 days a week since I was 15 .yes 15 not 16 .i even got a letter from the government saying being a hgv driver we are going to wave the drivers hours over covid because we need you to keep the country going so I stepped up and did 18hr shifts for 2 years even though I was high risk to get covid myself. I got covid a few times. When it was all over i went for my hgv medical at 60 and I failed it because of stents in my legs. I am on the small pip i call it and it doesn't even pay for my medical needs. Everything is  so expensive. Talk about not sleeping through labour and there horrible way of treating people when I after all these years i needed help. What a fool i have been all my life thinking one day I will need a lift. Sorry for babbling on 
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    · 14 hours ago
    What worries me is how the Daily Mail, Telegraph, GB News are rabble rousing people to blame disabled people for the state of Britain's economy, it the latest version of scapegoating.

    I complained to Ofcom saying that you have been given a broader scope to stop online hatred yet you allow incitement to hatred against Disabled people. I told them to do their jobs properly or not do them at all.
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      · 11 hours ago
      @Dave Dee Yes I saw the torygraph article blaming people with acne getting PIP and also with writer's cramp. Worrying that there are actually idiots out there who believe in that kind of thing which shows what kind of IQ they really have! I knew of dumbing down but when I looked at the comments they were most from very dumbed down people who would believe anything in those rags and feel smug over it
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      · 11 hours ago
      @Dave Dee Well done Dave Dee- too right 
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    · 14 hours ago
    The Labour government has behaved very badly with regard to disability benefits. But at least on this occasion, we have been able to appeal to the better instincts of the people who became Labour MPs and mitigate the damage.

    That's simply would not happen if we had a Conservative majority or even worse, a Conservative and reform coalition.

    So I can see why in the next election. People who are concerned about this issue might be willing to vote for the SMP, the Liberal Democrats, or Plaid Cymru.

    But I would not have any doubt that a Reform or Conservative government would be much worse for people with disabilities.
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      · 7 hours ago
      @Cfg Remember how lib dem treat disabled in the coalition years that worrys me with them.
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      · 9 hours ago
      @PB Even the Liberal Democrats can't be trusted. They were in coalition with the Tories between 2010 to 2015, and played their part in allowing Iain Duncan-Smith's barbaric changes to the benefits system to go through. Their current leader, Ed Davey, was part of that government - he was Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change, so he would have voted through those changes otherwise he'd have lost his job as a minister for rebelling. Therefore, he cannot be trusted.

      The Lib-Dems also promised to cut tuition fee's for University students - but in coalition with the Tories, they voted to INCREASE tuition fees.

      Whether its Conservative, Labour or Lib-Dems, none of them can be trusted. The only decent party left is the Green Party. 

      As for the SNP or Plaid Cymru - Only people in Scotland can vote for the SNP, and only people in Wales can vote for Plaid Cymru, so they have zero chance of ever forming a government - it is impossible for them to get the numbers. The very best they could do is propping up one of the bigger parties - and none of the bigger parties are trustworthy.
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      · 11 hours ago
      @PB I think we need to be careful here. It’s great that the 4 point thing is binned, and labour have behaved disgracefully over this whole matter. I cancelled my Labour Party membership over it, so there is no one who feels more strongly about it. But there is a big but. With the exception of the Lib Dem’s and the Green Party, who are very unlikely to win the next election, all other parties are likely to be far worse for disabled people, by a country mile. I think we need to think in terms of winning the war not just the battle!
      If you are pragmatic, I would give labour a bloody nose, but not kick them whilst they’re down. I think this bill, as emasculated as it, should just pass now. Put constructive efforts into the influence of a new assessment. Remember farage won’t have backbenchers with sympathies like labour do, they will be trumpian style nut cases.  You might get cheaper fags and booze, but disability benefits will be just about last on his agenda. Be careful what you wish for…..
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      · 12 hours ago
      @PB my new intake 2024 labour mp voted for the bill. I write with B and w's suggestions to ask him not to vote for third reading if all concerns are not resolved.
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      · 12 hours ago
      @PB I know I have said this before but when Starmer stabbed Jeremy Corbyn in the back I knew that the labour party has a traitor in its ranks someone who then not only went to tar and feather Corbyn with accusations of anti Semitism but finally managed to even expel him. Corbyn was a man who stood up for anybody, Jew, Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Agnostic, or Atheist and always stood for the underdog no matter who they were and above all is a true humanist in every single way of the word. His humanism led him to be inclusive even of Starmer which ended up being detrimental. Starmer is a man who has no loyalty to anyone, his leader, the people who support him, and I doubt very much to the principle of the labour party even though he claims to be a socialist who it appears is more of a champagne sipping kind and who does not uphold its core values.
      I did not vote for Starmer for this very reason and I left the labour party as a result knowing that it had been hijacked by evil forces that were going to wreck the movement from within.
      I urge everyone to see Starmer for who and what he is when it comes to the ordinary people and deny him the privilege of being elected and to vote for either the Greens or the LibDems tactically. This country needs visionary leaders who will stand up for their convictions and while I applaud the 49 labour MPs who voted against the welfare bill I urge them to leave and join up with the independent alliance and encourage others to join them in creating an opposition force that will pale even the Tories or Reform in a true peoples movement that will turn around the politics of greed and betrayal.
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    · 14 hours ago
    I have just emailed my local MP, they voted for the bill to pass yesterday. I have laid down points that they I'd like them to consider before finally voting next week, I've also hinted that I couldn't vote for a party in the future that lacks empathy and compassion towards sick/disabled people. I just hope it helps probably too far gone now to get this thrown out now! 
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    · 14 hours ago
    I have emailed my local MP several times but  when I checked they voted For the changes. I won’t ever waste a vote on labour again 
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      · 10 hours ago
      @Joanne Buck Never give up until this is over. They're in chaos keep the pressure on. Some MPs might be holding off rejecting until examining what's left because how this all went down last night. Being honest I didn't expect as much we got yesterday. I'm waiting for a nasty surprise yet to come considering who is in charge of this bill. 
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    · 15 hours ago
    Disgusting that people have to live with all this hanging over their heads, not knowing when or if the hammer will fall. 
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    · 15 hours ago
    I'm now over pensionable age and receiving PIP but only the standard rate as late last year my PIP was reduced from the higher rate. It had a devastating affect on me although I was rewarded the standard rate for 10 years. I'm not sure what the future will hold and it's very worrying, especially for new claimants. I think the whole system is unfair.  I did find the time to email my MP the other day and highlighted all the points suggested. Whether he will actually attend on the 9th July or email me back with a response I couldn't say but I'm not holding my breath.
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    · 16 hours ago
    My MP is Wes Streeting I doubt it's worth my precious energy emailing him. 
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      · 10 hours ago
      @Kitty And me, disgraceful his comments in the past about mental health, he clearly has no understanding about it whatosever. 
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      · 11 hours ago
      @Kitty I doubt it if he would reply back.  As he's more likely packing away his buckets and spades ready for his parliamentary recess jolly.
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      · 12 hours ago
      @Kitty Mine is Alison McGovern so go figure 
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      · 14 hours ago
      @Kitty a friend of mine has just informed today me that he was in the same class as Streeting at Westminster school. Lets just say he wasn't impressed then and certainly isn't now!
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    · 16 hours ago
    I'm confused do I have to email my tory mp who voted against the bill? 
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      · 12 hours ago
      @Anon No harm in emailing them to say how bad the proposals were and you wouldn't support any party who had anything like them in mind. They all need to know we will never accept this treatment, no matter what the colour of their rosette.
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    · 16 hours ago
    Emailed my mp Neil Coyle numerous times. Always get generic response saying hes a disabled supporter but supports the cuts. 
    Hes a career politician who was suspended for making a racist comment in the houses of Parliament. Anyone else would have lost their job.
    The man is a disgrace. 

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      · 11 hours ago
      @david Well said, I couldn’t agree more. My MP is a Labour Party whip 👎 So not surprising that my plea fell on deaf ears.
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    · 16 hours ago
    https://archive.ph/XAXDP

    This daily mail article is worth a read.

    Sounds like Labour rebels are prematurely celebrating which is just stupid to voluntarily let one’s guard down when Kendall and timms are still in control of the steering wheel and are most likely getting the ‘sat nav’ to reroute to their intended destination of billions of welfare cuts

    I fear the big losers will be those with mental health issues and neurodivergent conditions such as adhd and autism which were not big casualties of the 4pt rule will find the descriptors and activities they rely on for pts be altered or removed altogether (as the timms review will be pushed by Kendall to find even more cuts then was intended before the 4pt rule was temporarily shelved yesterday - we know the public aren’t as sympathetic with invisible disabilities - as an autistic person that was lucky to have a 4pt ticked I fear the consequences of yesterday may be much tougher to keep head above water and now I really have to consider triggering a reassessment at the first sign of trouble rather than wait for a review with unfavourable new criteria)

    I’m in limbo again and I can’t even try and forward plan as I don’t know what timms is cooking up - having no control over one’s life or idea if I even have a future going forward - I think we will all regret not killing this bill when we had the chance and we all need to toughen up and not allow this bills route to victory be plan sailing for Labour higher ups

    *sorry for the tough talk - im disappointed many disabled are giving up fighting the bill and leaving a clear path for ministers to fast track what is still an awful bill even with amendments through
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      · 15 hours ago
      @D Yes well said, this bill needs to be ditched completely, premature to be celebrating. 
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    · 16 hours ago
    Our MP Jacob Collier,can’t decide. First he was in favour of the bill,then he sent out information he would vote against it,then yesterday voted for it. He’s young,inexperienced and obviously wants to be noticed by his incompetent leaders and believed all the garbage. Either that or just plain can’t care less about us disabled,which I suspect is more the case.
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      · 11 hours ago
      @FCB He couldn't care less.
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    · 16 hours ago
    I have every intention of contacting my Labour MP again regarding this matter. My daughter is in receipt of PIP and I have had to fight for her to get it  at every stage, even when it was DLA the various governments tinkered around the edges of this benefit. My daughter was assessed and re assessed on a regular basis. 3 times I had to appeal after they decided she was no longer entitled to it, the basis of her case was that her condition had not altered at all and their medical assessments proved there was no improvement and yet they said she was no longer entitled. I fought every inch for her and we won every time. It is time for a benefits shake up they need to do it properly instead of looking only at the savings. People can be severely harmed and lives ruined and even lost if they rush it. The PM said recently that "we have to do more and faster" I would advise slow and steady is the order of the day when considering a persons finances.
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      · 10 hours ago
      @Stephen Owens Exactly slow and steady, get it right. They are just stood there for the whole world to see what a stupid, incompetent, spineless bunch of  weasels that they are. Embarrassing. It's' just common sense. This government don't seem to get that. They will cause their own downfall. 
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    · 16 hours ago
    I've just see a spot on prime minister questions the only person she's crying for is herself the women is made of stone definitely not crying for the 150 thousand disabled,she wanted to put into poverty what did she think we could all do. .where are all these jobs that don't mind if your off most of the year come from.she's trying to save her own bacon and trying to get sympathy.
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      · 11 hours ago
      @Fiona There will be plenty of labour voters out there who take the knee to her, not just sympathize her crocodile tears.

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