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11 years 1 month ago - 11 years 1 month ago #117882 by woodsie
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HIGUYS!
Quick question in the PIP 2 form question7.Communicating verbally.
Seems to relate entirely to the deaf however I was placed in the support group after using the update to communication for ESA on this site:
(a) Cannot understand a simple message due to sensory impairment, such as the location of a fire escape. 15 points
In my case I cannot understand the simple message go to the fire escape because hearing does not mean understand; to understand something you have to be able to carry out the task to its conclusion i.e. find the fire escape.
To understand the written message fire escape I had to be able to read it.

In the PIP 2 guide it says:
What is this activity is about 7.Communicating verbally
This activity is about your ability to speak in a way that people will understand and also to
understand what other people are saying to you.

So the point I'm making is that in reality I sometimes cannot understand basic information however I can understand most information related to me verbally that is complex. (Because that's what I need to function)

“Basic verbal information” means information in your native language conveyed verbally in a simple sentance.

“Complex verbal information” means information in your native language conveyed
verbally in either more than one sentence or one complicated sentence.

I just wanted some advise as to whether you thought I was misguided before commiting myself.
Thanks in advance
matchseller
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11 years 1 month ago #117914 by Gordon
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matchseller

The first thing to say is that the two test are very different, for example the ESA looks at a claimants ability to hear or read a message, whereas the PIP test considers their ability to speak and hear either simple or complex messages. As an aside I not convinced that successful execution of the task is required for ESA to show understanding.

So for PIP they are looking at your ability to communicate orally with others and your ability to understand other people communicating with you.

You will have to forgive me but your comment that you can understand complex messages but not simple ones makes no sense to me and I suspect will not be understood by either an assessor or Decision Maker. Is that what you actually meant to say?

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11 years 1 month ago - 11 years 1 month ago #118366 by woodsie
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Hi!
Thanks for the reply Gordon and you efforts to help me and giving up your time. I know the point I was trying to make may seem obscure to you but I hope this is a clearer attempt.
WHAT ACTIVITY SEVEN SAYS
This activity considers a claimant’s ability to communicate verbally with regard to expressive (conveying) communication and receptive (receiving and understanding) communication. Notes: • This activity considers the ability to convey and understand verbal information with other people in one’s native language.
Advice to HCP`s on applying descriptors.
Health conditions or disabilities may be physical, sensory, mental, intellectual or cognitive, or any combination of these.
The impact of all impairment types can be taken into account across the activities, where they affect a claimant’s ability to complete the activity and achieve the stated outcome.
As in my previous post to understand you must be (reliably) able to achieve the stated outcome (act on the information) or complete the task.
So if I am right this activity is not just limited to the effects on the hearing impaired?
Gordon wrote
The first thing to say is that the two test are very different, for example the ESA looks at a claimants ability to hear or read a message, whereas the PIP test considers their ability to speak and hear either simple or complex messages. As an aside I not convinced that successful execution of the task is required for ESA to show understanding.(matchseller; but I think in PIP the guidance above says - it does)
So for PIP they are looking at your ability to communicate orally with others and your ability to understand other people communicating with you.

So both require you to understand what’s being said to you!

I suppose it was the way I put my comment together that made it confusing?
Perhaps it still is?
Right here goes!
Because of my severe visual impairment I cannot understand SOME basic verbal communications directed at me these can occur on a daily basis; and in the main concern understanding verbal communication from another person about my orientation and locating; people, places, and objects .
I will try and explain what I mean.

In everyday life I and everybody else are given information in basic simple formats to function.
Like these: Do you want a beer, are you hungry, the TV is on and hundreds more. These I understand!

But with a severe sight impairment information given verbally to enable you to function has to be more complex to achieve or try to achieve the stated outcome.

This is one example; for instance in a supermarket, if I asked an assistant where I could get information about a delivery and they said “at customer services” - that’s not enough info for me to find customer services, but a deaf person who (lip reads) reads or has a hearing aid and can understand the basic sentence can then use their vision to locate customer services.
In the same scenario a severely visually impaired person would; if it were at all possible need extremely detailed information to achieve the outcome of finding customer services or need actual physical assistance to achieve the stated outcome.
Do you think this applies to this descriptor.
Or have I got it wrong again?
Thanks again Gordon! ( I won’t post again on the subject if you still think I have got it wrong)
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11 years 1 month ago - 11 years 1 month ago #118379 by Gordon
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matchseller

I am happy to be proved wrong but I am afraid that I believe that you have got it wrong.

The test is not one of execution but one of understanding.

Using your example of the Supermarket; the test is can you understand that the information is at Customer Services, if you cannot hear what has been said or understand the information that is being supplied because of cognitive problems then I would expect you to score points. But, from your post, you appear to have no problems with hearing the statement nor in understanding in what has been said.

If you cannot find this area because of your sight problems, then the expectation will be that you will ask for further directions or assistance in getting their, I do not believe that any references to problems with your sight will be of assistance to you scoring for this Descriptor.

Gordon

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11 years 1 month ago - 11 years 1 month ago #118397 by woodsie
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Hi Gordon!
Very quickly about the last line of your post to me. (I think by the content of your post the second option is correct is that so just making sure)
if so just say yes!
[/u]I do believe that any references to problems with your sight will be of assistance to you scoring for this Descriptor.

or did you mean; I do not believe that any references to problems with your sight will be of assistance to you scoring for this Descriptor.
Many thanks matchseller!
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11 years 1 month ago #118398 by Gordon
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matchseller wrote: Hi Gordon!
Very quickly about the last line of your post to me. (I think by the content of your post the second option is correct is that so just making sure)
if so just say yes!
[/u]I do believe that any references to problems with your sight will be of assistance to you scoring for this Descriptor.

or did you mean; I do not believe that any references to problems with your sight will be of assistance to you scoring for this Descriptor.
Many thanks matchseller!


My apologies, it should have read "I do not believe"

Gordon

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