× Members

help needed to understand upper tribunal letter

More
7 years 10 months ago #161848 by Lisa
had high rate care reduced to nothing and mobility stay at low rate... we appealed and lost the reconsideration appeal ... we then appealed to the tribunal which we won and low care re introduced..... which we were happy with ... on receiving the tribunal letter that we believed they made an error in law which they took points away and gave points elsewhere which meant i could get high rate mobility .... so we appealed to the upper tribunal which was accepted by the judge..... we have just received the upper tribunals letter and the secretary of state has confirmed the lower tribunal had erred in law and has asked the upper tribunal judge to make his decision without reason..... we have signed the form 3a to confirm we are happy with this.... my question is does the upper tribunal judge always agree with the decision of the secretary of state or could he overturn it without reason ( so agreeing with the lower tribunal)

many thanks........ :) :unsure:

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
7 years 10 months ago #161865 by Gordon

Lisa wrote: had high rate care reduced to nothing and mobility stay at low rate... we appealed and lost the reconsideration appeal ... we then appealed to the tribunal which we won and low care re introduced..... which we were happy with ... on receiving the tribunal letter that we believed they made an error in law which they took points away and gave points elsewhere which meant i could get high rate mobility .... so we appealed to the upper tribunal which was accepted by the judge..... we have just received the upper tribunals letter and the secretary of state has confirmed the lower tribunal had erred in law and has asked the upper tribunal judge to make his decision without reason..... we have signed the form 3a to confirm we are happy with this.... my question is does the upper tribunal judge always agree with the decision of the secretary of state or could he overturn it without reason ( so agreeing with the lower tribunal)

many thanks........ :) :unsure:


The UTT Judge will make their own Decision, but if the DWP are saying that an Error occurred then it is likely that this is what the Judge will find as well.

The most likely result is that the original Tribunal decision will be Set Aside and a new FTT hearing will be ordered.

Gordon

Nothing on this board constitutes legal advice - always consult a professional about specific problems
The following user(s) said Thank You: Lisa

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
7 years 10 months ago #161887 by Lisa
meaning you would start again ....??

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
7 years 10 months ago #161889 by Lisa
the dwp didnt say they had made a mistake .... the secretary of state said they had made an error in law and agreed with us..... i didnt think you could have another hearing i thought once it went to the upper tribunal then that was it......,.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
7 years 10 months ago #161905 by Gordon
Lisa

The UTT Judge can make a Decision that includes your entitlement to a PIP award, but it would be very unusual for them to so and you should not rely on it happening. By far and away the most likely result is a Decision confirming that an Error has occurred, ordering a new First Tier Tribunal with a direction on how to avoid the Error.

Gordon

Nothing on this board constitutes legal advice - always consult a professional about specific problems
The following user(s) said Thank You: Lisa

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
7 years 10 months ago #161942 by Derek4
Hi Lisa,

If the judge agrees that there has been an error of law and allows the appeal, he then has to decide how to dispose of the appeal.

The only circumstances where he can substitute the decision for that of his own, is where no further evidence is necessary and the appeal papers contain all the evidence required to make a decision.

It does often happen, but the vast majority of upper tribunal appeals allowed, involve errors or law that result in inadequate facts or the wrong facts being obtained by the tribunal, and further evidence/questioning is required.

The first-tier tribunal are the fact finding body that contain the panel members that the law requires for obtaining evidence (the UT is purely legal and have no doctors sitting), so in these instances the appeal has to be remitted back to the FTT.

Best of luck,

Derek
The following user(s) said Thank You: Lisa

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Moderators: GordonGaryBISCatherineWendyKellygreekqueenpeterKatherineSuper UserjimmckChris
We use cookies

We use cookies on our website. Some of them are essential for the operation of the site, while others help us to improve this site and the user experience (tracking cookies). You can decide for yourself whether you want to allow cookies or not. Please note that if you reject them, you may not be able to use all the functionalities of the site.