PiP form and dla info

RedDwarf

I would not advise this. PIP has fundamentally different criteria from DLA and in most areas, stricter criteria as well, you really need to understand what that criteria is and answer appropriately.

Have a look at the PIP Claim guide

www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/help-for-claimants/pip

If you have further questions then please reply to this post and we will do our best to help.

Gordon

RedDwarf77 wrote: Yes I have the guide - I'm currently looking at extra information for eating & drinking - and I'm struggling to see how the information I provided for Q42 on dla is any different than what they are asking for - I must be missing something obvious?

First of all he was assessed as a child for DLA, even if he were staying on DLA there are differences between how a child is treated and an adult.

PIP was engineered to be a more difficult to award than DLA, many DLA claimants will validly receive reduced awards or even no award at all on transfer.

DLA looks at generic care needs in regard to bodily functions, PIP looks at the claimants specific ability to carry out an activity such as eating. DLA was awarded because the claimant needed an amount of care (in time) during the day, the night of both, to help them with that bodily function. PIP looks at the claimants ability to complete specific tasks within the activity and is points based, these are clearly defined and it is easy not to score points because the claimant has not shown that they meet those specific criteria.

DLA treated the use of aids as reason to reduce the amount of care needed, PIP treats aids as an indication of disability and in general they score extra points.

DLA's care need was reasonably generic, PIP treats prompting, assistance and supervision as different activities and as a result they can score different points (Eating and Drinking is a case in point), and includes things such as needing a therapeutic source for nutrition which DLA may not have considered.

DLA required that the care was required for the majority of the time, for PIP it is the majority of days.

For PIP activities must be completed reliably, this means

• Safely – in a fashion that is unlikely to cause harm to themselves or to another person.
• To a necessary and appropriate standard – given the nature of the activity.
• Repeatedly – as often as is reasonably required.
• In a timely manner – in a reasonable time period.

Although DLA considers these terms, they are poorly defined as they are implemented through Case Law rather than being defined in the legislation as they are for PIP.

So DLA referred to Cutting up food, eating or drinking, PIP looks at

a. Can take nutrition unaided. 0 points.
b. Needs –
(i) to use an aid or appliance to be able to take nutrition; or
(ii) supervision to be able to take nutrition; or
(iii) assistance to be able to cut up food. 2 points.
c. Needs a therapeutic source to be able to take nutrition. 2 points.
d. Needs prompting to be able to take nutrition. 4 points.
e. Needs assistance to be able to manage a therapeutic source to take nutrition. 6 points.
f. Cannot convey food and drink to their mouth and needs another person to do so. 10 points.

Gordon