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4 years 6 months ago #252386 by crann1
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I registered my PIP claim on 24th/Feb/2020.I was assessed by telephone in April 2020.I have to say that the assessor was abrupt, cold and callous in tone. answers and after the call I had a bad feeling about it. My impression was that she was not interested in the context of how my disability was affecting me on a daily basis. She appeared to only want yes or no answers. I was informed on 7thof May by text that the Department had received my application and all the medical information necessary to make a decision. By September 2020 I had not received decision. I phoned in September and was told that because of Covid-19 they were working from home and everything was not moving as fast as usual. I phoned again on the 8th of October 2020 and was astonished to hear what the official told me. He said that the decision on my case was made in June 2020 but for some reason they had failed to issue the decision to me. He told me who could not tell me what the decision was and that he would have to refer it to the manager to get it issued. Within 2 days I received a letter dated 8th of October, the day of my phone call. I received no points in any of the categories and was denied PIPs. The basis of for this seems to have been the fact that I displayed no sign of breathlessness on the phone call and they drew the implication that I did not suffer fatigue. They also wrongly categorised my condition and were very selective in what they focused on in my consultants letter. I am asking for a mandatory reconsideration and I have made a complaint about the delay. I followed your guidance in completing my form and provided strong medical evidence all of which was ignored. I asked them to phone me early in the morning so that I would be able to answer their questions. The fact that I seemed to have knowledge of my condition and medications was also used to infer that they had no impact on me. I also applied for ESA basically writing the same things and was placed in the support group. My experience of the phone assessment was totally negative but I also feel that the assessor communicated exceptional coldness and callousness in her tone.
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4 years 6 months ago #252391 by Gary
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Hi PW
Sorry to hear about your poor experience, unfortunately it is quite common.
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The first stage to challenging a Decision is for you to request a Mandatory Reconsideration, this needs to be done in writing to the DWP, within one month of the Decision, to the office that dealt with your claim, have a look at our PIP MR & Appeal guide for details of the process, the PIP area also has template letters that you can use to make the request with.
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/help-for-claimants/pip
You should contact the DWP for a copy of the assessment report if you have not already done so, I would phone them but again follow up the request in writing. Once you have the assessment report you will have a better understanding of how the DWP Decision Maker has come to their conclusions and will then be able to argue against them.
Your primary task is to show that you meet the criteria, there are many reasons you may have failed, you need to address each of these but don't get bogged down in criticising the assessment report unless you can clearly show that it is incorrect, it is a lot easier to argue the facts of the situation.
Understand that the assessor is offering an opinion when they say that you can do the PIP activities, tackling these head-on is unlikely to be successful, you need to show that the basis of that opinion is founded on incorrect information, so try and refer to your evidence to undermine what they have said.Also, try and stick to issues that lead to your scoring points, I often hear members referring to the assessors spelling, as an example, whilst it may show a lack of professionalism, raising it as an issue isn't going to help you get an award.
It is always helpful to refer back to your original form and paperwork, do this in your letter as well, for example;
"the assessor does not seem to have taken on board the information I supplied in reply to question X and the medical evidence I supplied in support of this, see page Y of the information attached to my form."
Lastly, make sure that you understand the criteria that you are being assessed against you can put the best case forward that is possible but you won't score points if you do not meet the PIP Descriptors.
If you have any further questions please come back to the forum.
Gary
Sorry to hear about your poor experience, unfortunately it is quite common.
In case you are not aware, your real name appears to be showing in the forum, if you want to change this then follow the instructions in the following FAQ
My full name is showing, how can I stop it?
The first stage to challenging a Decision is for you to request a Mandatory Reconsideration, this needs to be done in writing to the DWP, within one month of the Decision, to the office that dealt with your claim, have a look at our PIP MR & Appeal guide for details of the process, the PIP area also has template letters that you can use to make the request with.
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/help-for-claimants/pip
You should contact the DWP for a copy of the assessment report if you have not already done so, I would phone them but again follow up the request in writing. Once you have the assessment report you will have a better understanding of how the DWP Decision Maker has come to their conclusions and will then be able to argue against them.
Your primary task is to show that you meet the criteria, there are many reasons you may have failed, you need to address each of these but don't get bogged down in criticising the assessment report unless you can clearly show that it is incorrect, it is a lot easier to argue the facts of the situation.
Understand that the assessor is offering an opinion when they say that you can do the PIP activities, tackling these head-on is unlikely to be successful, you need to show that the basis of that opinion is founded on incorrect information, so try and refer to your evidence to undermine what they have said.Also, try and stick to issues that lead to your scoring points, I often hear members referring to the assessors spelling, as an example, whilst it may show a lack of professionalism, raising it as an issue isn't going to help you get an award.
It is always helpful to refer back to your original form and paperwork, do this in your letter as well, for example;
"the assessor does not seem to have taken on board the information I supplied in reply to question X and the medical evidence I supplied in support of this, see page Y of the information attached to my form."
Lastly, make sure that you understand the criteria that you are being assessed against you can put the best case forward that is possible but you won't score points if you do not meet the PIP Descriptors.
If you have any further questions please come back to the forum.
Gary
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4 years 6 months ago #252400 by crann1
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4 years 6 months ago #252405 by annfee123
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My husband was turned down for mobility component after 10 years on high rate as Hcp decided that he wasnt breathless on telephone assesment and in her opinion he could walk more than 20 metres .I challenged it for him in mandatory reconsideration. Firstly I told them he was propped up in bed with pillows to stop him being breathless for assesment and I had stated on his form that he was breathless while walking .How can someone on the end of a phone decide that you are or not breathless they dont know if you are in bed or not .secondly how can they decide you can walk 20 metres without watching you walk .He was at a face to face 3 years ago and that hcp said he had great difficulty walking ..He won his mandatory reconsideration and was awarded top rate in both care and mobility .so take it as far as you can .
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4 years 6 months ago #252415 by Dan Statham
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Hi Pat,
Don't get disheartened or discouraged! Keep fighting! In my experience (similar to yours) I didn't get any positive response from the DWP until I took it to tribunal. The MR is mostly a stalling tactic, but I hope it goes well for you and they overturn.
A month or two after I went for a tribunal, the DWP caved in. I would try to gather as much evidence as possible, from now, and try to follow the advice you get in the guides and on this forum.
Stay safe, and it always works out in the end. If it doesn't work out, it's not the end!
Don't get disheartened or discouraged! Keep fighting! In my experience (similar to yours) I didn't get any positive response from the DWP until I took it to tribunal. The MR is mostly a stalling tactic, but I hope it goes well for you and they overturn.
A month or two after I went for a tribunal, the DWP caved in. I would try to gather as much evidence as possible, from now, and try to follow the advice you get in the guides and on this forum.
Stay safe, and it always works out in the end. If it doesn't work out, it's not the end!
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