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4 years 4 days ago #258657 by Ziporina
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Please could someone advise on bipola 1 fluctuating... do I fill in PIP assessment form as if daughter is in the depressed state and bedridden or in the high state and is so fast and unstoppable as to be a danger to herself or do I answer questions thinking what she is like when calm ?
Her illness causes her to be able to be either completely bed ridden or so high she lacks incite to do anything,,
But when calm she has poor memory and concentration
She is on lithium but we can never know what a day brings
She needs to win PIP as she needs extra money to fund support and therapy as little is offered by mental health team
Her illness causes her to be able to be either completely bed ridden or so high she lacks incite to do anything,,
But when calm she has poor memory and concentration
She is on lithium but we can never know what a day brings
She needs to win PIP as she needs extra money to fund support and therapy as little is offered by mental health team
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4 years 4 days ago #258659 by LL26
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Hi Sally,
Have a look at the PIP guides here:
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip-2
As you may know PIP is awarded on the basis of scoring points across various activities for daily living and again for mobility. Points are awarded if you have difficulties for 'the majority of days'. Note that this is not necessarily the same as 'majority of times. So you will need to consider your daughter's problems over a few days maybe the last month. If for even a small part of the day (ie a 24 hr period) she can not do the activity at all, or can not do it safely, to an acceptable standard, in a reasonable time and repeatedly she should score points. (Just to clarify eg if you can do an activity safely, and to a good standard, but are very slow, this is sufficient, failing one criteria is sufficient to achieve points.)
So, if your daughter has no problems at all for 2 days with a PIP activity , had problems for 3 hours on the next two days and had continuous problems for the remaining days of that week she will have had problems for the majority of days and this should lead to points.
Also, perhaps your daughter has different problems each day. If two or more activities from the same descriptor group apply equally, then the highest points value should be awarded. If no one particular activity applies for the majority of time, but you have differing problems, you can aggregate activities in the same descriptor. So eg if descriptor 4b applies for 2 days 4c applies 2 days, neither are fir the majority of days, but added together will reach that target, and then the higher value descriptor is the appropriate choice.
So to recap, assess if descriptor activity and decide if it applies for part of the day. You will need to consider a meaningful amount of time, I doubt that having problem for just 5 minutes is enough.zIf two or more activities in the same descriptor apply look at the time for each, if equal higher value. If not equal correct points should be for the most prevalent.
The important thing is to carefully explain your daughter's problems and leave no doubt that she has continously problems across the whole day as appropriate.
I hope this helps.
LL26
Have a look at the PIP guides here:
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip-2
As you may know PIP is awarded on the basis of scoring points across various activities for daily living and again for mobility. Points are awarded if you have difficulties for 'the majority of days'. Note that this is not necessarily the same as 'majority of times. So you will need to consider your daughter's problems over a few days maybe the last month. If for even a small part of the day (ie a 24 hr period) she can not do the activity at all, or can not do it safely, to an acceptable standard, in a reasonable time and repeatedly she should score points. (Just to clarify eg if you can do an activity safely, and to a good standard, but are very slow, this is sufficient, failing one criteria is sufficient to achieve points.)
So, if your daughter has no problems at all for 2 days with a PIP activity , had problems for 3 hours on the next two days and had continuous problems for the remaining days of that week she will have had problems for the majority of days and this should lead to points.
Also, perhaps your daughter has different problems each day. If two or more activities from the same descriptor group apply equally, then the highest points value should be awarded. If no one particular activity applies for the majority of time, but you have differing problems, you can aggregate activities in the same descriptor. So eg if descriptor 4b applies for 2 days 4c applies 2 days, neither are fir the majority of days, but added together will reach that target, and then the higher value descriptor is the appropriate choice.
So to recap, assess if descriptor activity and decide if it applies for part of the day. You will need to consider a meaningful amount of time, I doubt that having problem for just 5 minutes is enough.zIf two or more activities in the same descriptor apply look at the time for each, if equal higher value. If not equal correct points should be for the most prevalent.
The important thing is to carefully explain your daughter's problems and leave no doubt that she has continously problems across the whole day as appropriate.
I hope this helps.
LL26
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4 years 4 days ago #258672 by denby
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Hi, to me this is a situation where you compiling a diary about your daughter's state for a few weeks would be really good evidence. There are templates in the guide or you can do your own. I used a simple table in libre office to do one for our daughter, as there was no way she could do her own. I referenced the relevant descriptors in a comments column on the right hand side.
hope this may be helpful, Denby
hope this may be helpful, Denby
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