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3 years 10 months ago #260425 by Harishah
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Can anyone advise if ATOS has the power to overrule a claimants health professional and make a medical diagnosis on a mental health condition and also rule that the medication prescribed to treat it is something that is also used to treat other medical conditions?

This has happened in my case where a report from my mental health counsellor and my GP who both advised that suffer from anxiety and depression. I am being prescribed Amitriptyline and Prochlorperazine.

However ATOS assessor in his report throughout has stated there there is no specialist input for my mental health and therefore all categories affect by this conditions have been given no points. My mandatory reconsideration has been denied also.

I complained to ATOS directly they stood by their report and went on to say the both medications are also prescribed for other conditions and there was no indication that I am being prescribed these medications to treat and manage my anxiety and depression even though my counsellor that clearly stated in her report I take both medications! In effect their medical professional made a conclusion that both medications in my case were prescribed for to treat other conditions and not anxiety and depression. Shockingly neither ATOS or DWP made any attempt to contact my health professional to see clarification which i believe they are required to do in case of doubts before writing a final report.

I further went to complain to ICE and they have also come back no upholding my complaint and more or less saying that ATOs were within their rights to make these assumptions.

Can anyone please advise on this? I am especially interested in knowing if ATOS or DWP have any rights to make a medical diagnosis of a health condition or a prescribed medication without seeking clarification from the claimants health professional?

My next review is coming up soon I am too stressed to take this further now but if they have no legal rights on making a medical diagnosis on either a health condition or prescribed medication I want highlight that point on the relevant affected descriptors and point out to them if the same happens again then I will take the matter up with a tribunal or the parliamentary and health services ombudsman.

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3 years 10 months ago #260427 by BIS
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Hi Hari

I sorry you have found yourself in this position.

It is quite common for assessors to disregard or disagree with evidence sent in, often with no just cause. However, what they offer is an 'opinion' not a 'medical diagnosis' and this they are allowed to do using their 'professional judgement," from the evidence they have and from the assessment. They have the right to query medication and often do so. Obviously, you had the right to disagree with their opinion which you have done - so far to no avail.

The DWP do not normally contact the health professionals, and they generally only do so to seek clarification. They will argue in your case - that it wasn't necessary. (I'm not saying that's right).

The issues regarding your medication are common ones. You said that your mental health counsellor confirmed you are taking the medication - but I assume they are not the person who prescribed them. If it was your GP or a consultant - can you not get a letter confirming they are the prescriber and the reasons why you take them?

I'm not sure why they are saying you have no specialist input if you have a mental health counsellor - but it is a common tactic used by the DWP and ATOS. Whether you take his further and go to appeal or you just want to wait for your next review - it's something you need to address. Have you had other specialist input in the past that has now finished, or you are waiting for input, or none is available, or you're not well enough to access any....? There may be any number of reasons - just make sure that you spell it out - so they can't make assumptions. (You may have already done this).

I don't know what was written on your claim form or your MR so my final point may be irrelevant. Make sure that when you come to any review, you have emphasised exactly how your daily life and mobility are impacted by your medical conditions. Sometimes claimants focus too much on the condition and not the ability to meet the specific criteria on the forms.

BIS

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3 years 10 months ago #260430 by Harishah
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Thanks for your your advise BIS.

I have not had any further specialist input regarding this as the counsellor that I had seen was a NHS mental health specialist. I had some face face meeting as because this was via NHS they have a set target of sessions after which the patient is discharged to the care of the GP with a view of further referrals as and when needed. This is what had in my case where we both agreed a regime of self management at home via various routes and if ever needed I could contact them directly for further sessions. However, I am currently managing my condition although I do get flare ups regularly when coming into certain situations as is expected with mental health. I maybe at fault in not making point of this because of not knowing exactly where to mention this so that all relevant descriptors are covered. Your advise on this will be most appreciated.

I have already contacted my GP in getting a letter of confirmation regarding my medication, Amitriptyline and Prochlorperazine so hopefully I will get this soon. Unfortunately with Covid restrictions it is not easy to get a face to face appointment with a GP unless a condition warrants it so I have had to send an online form.

I wish they would simply the PIP process and constant re-occurring assessments even when someone has medical conditions that are lifelong and unlikely to improve and the claimants GP has confirmed this fact in their letters!

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3 years 10 months ago #260434 by BIS
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Hi Hari

It can be difficult to know where to put certain information. If I wanted to tell them about the support you have had, I would put it on a separate piece of paper - and call it "Additional Mental Health Information." You need to emphasise that you had a set target of sessions and this is done for everyone. Assessors often seem to think that patients with mental health difficulties get to have support 52 weeks of the year every year! If there have been times when you have needed help, but didn't get it - since that point - then say so. You may have been 'managing' your condition, but make sure you are clear about the challenges you have experienced. You don't want them to assume that is easy for you if it isn't, and make sure even in this additional statement that it makes it challenging for you against the specific PiP criteria. You don't have to repeat what you have said else where - just reference it - so they understand the link between the additional information and the form.

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3 years 10 months ago #260437 by phrank
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Hi there,

I don't know where I stand as regarding 'lifelong' condition. Thought I'd add that my GP has put that my condition is lifelong in the letter that went with my renewal package as well as asking for a paper based assessment.

Am not holding too much hope on the outcome as my past experience went totally againnst the grain.

Regards,

Phrank.
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3 years 9 months ago #261613 by Harishah
Replied by Harishah on topic Atos and medical diagnosis.
I have managed to get a letter from my GP confirming my mental health condition of depression and anxiety. MY GP has also stated the medications that ATOS were querying are prescribed to manage both of these conditions. On medication in particular is also prescribed to treat a couple other conditions as this medication is also usually the one that is prescribed by most GP's. Hopefully this will be sufficient evidence for ATOS and DWP to a specialist input and confirmation of the medications being prescribed for my mental health.

Interestingly whilst I was going through all my medical reports and GP letters I noticed in several letters that my GP has provided he has listed majority of my heath conditions inclusive of depression and anxiety.

I would have assumed that this would have been sufficient for Atos and DWP as confirmation of input from a specialist or wrong in this assumption? If I am correct then either DWP or ATOS did not bother to look at all my reports in detail, as there a lot, or just missed this and concluded that there was no specialist input.

If I am correct in my assumption then in my next review maybe I can make a point of this and ensure that both DWP and ATOS pay particular attention the letters from my GP and other medical reports before disputing any of my health conditions or medications.

Any advice on this would be much appreciated.

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