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3 years 9 months ago #261497 by Chlorinated
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Hi guys
If possible I would be very grateful if you could answer this ASAP as I need to get a letter from my GP sharpish. I pretty much signed up just to ask this. Maybe I’m a little anxious.
I am due to submit my already extended pip form by the 27th. I have been discharged from mental health service several months ago as we didn’t get along. All recent letters I have from them do not really detail the severity of how my condition affects me. Usually the mental health service would write a strongly worded letter for me if needed but they won’t provide as I’m discharged.
I thought to get an outdated(5 years old) letter from the mental health service which details my symptoms and was a good letter and ask my GP If she’ll reword it and just update the date mentioning I need it for benefits application. I also need this letter as I’m trying to go to a councillor for help with housing.
I sought some pip advise and a person told me do not request the letter and say it’s for benefits just say it’s for housing issues and ask GP if shell do it. He’s justification was that GPS do not care about this and would feel reluctant, disinclined to do it.
Anyway as my gp is Now my primary care I think they should ensure I get pip adequately and on time as lack of benefits can impact my health.
Anyway if I ask for this letter for housing purposes in case she refuses I might go desperate and start saying I need it for benefits in which case she’ll wonder why I didn’t mention it first - I could just reply I was advised u might have been indifferent to it.
Anyway have I been advised correctly that the GP won’t like it if the letter is for benefits purposes and should I just request it as support for my pip form. Or since it can also help with a housing related issue il having should I request it on this basis?
Additionally please note that My gp has retired and I would now see a GP who knows me a little but not very well and I wouldn’t have spoken to them until now I.e it’s been maybe over 1.5 years before I saw my gp.
Please advise this letter could make all the difference to me getting pip and the thought of loosing it is quite terrifying.
Anticipating your reply.
Thanks
If possible I would be very grateful if you could answer this ASAP as I need to get a letter from my GP sharpish. I pretty much signed up just to ask this. Maybe I’m a little anxious.
I am due to submit my already extended pip form by the 27th. I have been discharged from mental health service several months ago as we didn’t get along. All recent letters I have from them do not really detail the severity of how my condition affects me. Usually the mental health service would write a strongly worded letter for me if needed but they won’t provide as I’m discharged.
I thought to get an outdated(5 years old) letter from the mental health service which details my symptoms and was a good letter and ask my GP If she’ll reword it and just update the date mentioning I need it for benefits application. I also need this letter as I’m trying to go to a councillor for help with housing.
I sought some pip advise and a person told me do not request the letter and say it’s for benefits just say it’s for housing issues and ask GP if shell do it. He’s justification was that GPS do not care about this and would feel reluctant, disinclined to do it.
Anyway as my gp is Now my primary care I think they should ensure I get pip adequately and on time as lack of benefits can impact my health.
Anyway if I ask for this letter for housing purposes in case she refuses I might go desperate and start saying I need it for benefits in which case she’ll wonder why I didn’t mention it first - I could just reply I was advised u might have been indifferent to it.
Anyway have I been advised correctly that the GP won’t like it if the letter is for benefits purposes and should I just request it as support for my pip form. Or since it can also help with a housing related issue il having should I request it on this basis?
Additionally please note that My gp has retired and I would now see a GP who knows me a little but not very well and I wouldn’t have spoken to them until now I.e it’s been maybe over 1.5 years before I saw my gp.
Please advise this letter could make all the difference to me getting pip and the thought of loosing it is quite terrifying.
Anticipating your reply.
Thanks
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3 years 9 months ago #261534 by BIS
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Hi Chlorinated
I'm afraid we can't advise you what to do. A lot of GPs are reluctant to write letters for a benefits claim and refuse to do so unless the DWP asks them for one. I don't know what the attitude of your GP is. As it is someone who doesn't know you well it may be awkward.
I can't suggest that you should ask the GP for a letter for one thing when you need it for another. That's a choice you will have to make yourself.
You have a letter that is five years old from Mental Health Services and personally, I would use that letter. You can say that you were discharged from services and explain that doesn't mean you are better. It is well known that Mental Health Services are in short supply and they discharge people all the time because people are limited to a certain amount of care. In your case, you didn't get on with them and you can say so. This leaves you without the support that you need.
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I'm afraid we can't advise you what to do. A lot of GPs are reluctant to write letters for a benefits claim and refuse to do so unless the DWP asks them for one. I don't know what the attitude of your GP is. As it is someone who doesn't know you well it may be awkward.
I can't suggest that you should ask the GP for a letter for one thing when you need it for another. That's a choice you will have to make yourself.
You have a letter that is five years old from Mental Health Services and personally, I would use that letter. You can say that you were discharged from services and explain that doesn't mean you are better. It is well known that Mental Health Services are in short supply and they discharge people all the time because people are limited to a certain amount of care. In your case, you didn't get on with them and you can say so. This leaves you without the support that you need.
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3 years 9 months ago #261582 by Chlorinated
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Hi bis
Thank you for your answer. I’m just wondering how to formulate what you have told me in the application form.
First i have just found my old gp is a retired locum consultant and have manager to get an appointment with her. The letter can be used for housing too since I am doing that in parallel. I guess in any case you are saying ‘we don’t know her response but vast majority of gps would not write so bare this in mind whatever you ask’?
As mentioned I have a letter from 2015 which details how my disability affects me. This letter was used in my pip application in 2015. It is an exact replica of a letter I had on 2012. I could submit both letters and say there had been no imptrovement so I these old issues apply - my current letters show I am struggling but no in detail.
Should I submit both letters(2012 and 2015) which are essentially worded the same to show this is my history and state in my form no improvement and that I couldn’t get an update of this letter because I have been discharged(I had an argument and accused them of ruining my life - I have a letter for this) or should I just submit one or both letters and answer form questions as usual? Wouldn’t they consider the 2015 letter too old?
Please advise how I should formulate this? Do I submit one or both letters?
Should and mention in the form why they discharged me and explain why I can’t get an updated letter or should I not mention anything about updated letters?
Thanks
Thank you for your answer. I’m just wondering how to formulate what you have told me in the application form.
First i have just found my old gp is a retired locum consultant and have manager to get an appointment with her. The letter can be used for housing too since I am doing that in parallel. I guess in any case you are saying ‘we don’t know her response but vast majority of gps would not write so bare this in mind whatever you ask’?
As mentioned I have a letter from 2015 which details how my disability affects me. This letter was used in my pip application in 2015. It is an exact replica of a letter I had on 2012. I could submit both letters and say there had been no imptrovement so I these old issues apply - my current letters show I am struggling but no in detail.
Should I submit both letters(2012 and 2015) which are essentially worded the same to show this is my history and state in my form no improvement and that I couldn’t get an update of this letter because I have been discharged(I had an argument and accused them of ruining my life - I have a letter for this) or should I just submit one or both letters and answer form questions as usual? Wouldn’t they consider the 2015 letter too old?
Please advise how I should formulate this? Do I submit one or both letters?
Should and mention in the form why they discharged me and explain why I can’t get an updated letter or should I not mention anything about updated letters?
Thanks
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3 years 9 months ago #261585 by Catherine
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Hello Chlorinated,
I can see your predicament. As Bis said it is very hard for us to give advise on this one since there is no clear 'best way forward'.
Personally I think being open and honest with your GP is probably the best way forward since you are unlikely to end up upsetting them by being unhanded; not to mention that having a good relationship with your GP is always a good thing. Additionally a few GPs know exactly what is needed in a PIP support letter and write something amazing.
I agree with BIS about using your letter from 2015, and I can see no reason not to also include the 2012 letter to demonstrate the ongoing nature of your health issues.
I think I would write something like 'I enclose a letter from Dr xxx, my psychiatrist at the time. I have recently been discharged from the Mental Health Services since after many years of treatment I was failing to make any real progress, I struggled to work with the team and it was not a good use of limited resources to continue treatment.’
As BIS says, many MH teams are having to discharge people at the moment due to lack of resources on their side, so personally I don’t think you need to add anything else.
But that is just how I would word it – please do adapt to suit your style!
Catherine
I can see your predicament. As Bis said it is very hard for us to give advise on this one since there is no clear 'best way forward'.
Personally I think being open and honest with your GP is probably the best way forward since you are unlikely to end up upsetting them by being unhanded; not to mention that having a good relationship with your GP is always a good thing. Additionally a few GPs know exactly what is needed in a PIP support letter and write something amazing.
I agree with BIS about using your letter from 2015, and I can see no reason not to also include the 2012 letter to demonstrate the ongoing nature of your health issues.
I think I would write something like 'I enclose a letter from Dr xxx, my psychiatrist at the time. I have recently been discharged from the Mental Health Services since after many years of treatment I was failing to make any real progress, I struggled to work with the team and it was not a good use of limited resources to continue treatment.’
As BIS says, many MH teams are having to discharge people at the moment due to lack of resources on their side, so personally I don’t think you need to add anything else.
But that is just how I would word it – please do adapt to suit your style!
Catherine
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3 years 9 months ago #261680 by Chlorinated
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Hi guys
You have mentioned it might be better to be honest however I have just noticed in the pop form page 6/24 under the ‘what not to send section’ it explicitly states ‘a supporting letter from your gp’ ie do not send it.
Is there a mdifference between what I am requesting/sending and a supporting letter from mygp? Sounds like the same thing in which case won’t it just get discard, ignored?
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You have mentioned it might be better to be honest however I have just noticed in the pop form page 6/24 under the ‘what not to send section’ it explicitly states ‘a supporting letter from your gp’ ie do not send it.
Is there a mdifference between what I am requesting/sending and a supporting letter from mygp? Sounds like the same thing in which case won’t it just get discard, ignored?
Thanks
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3 years 9 months ago #261716 by BIS
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Hi Chlorinated
It does say don't send a supporting letter from GP - because they were receiving lots of worthless letters where they already had information - however, if you think it can benefit you - because they may say your condition has deteriorated, or confirmed you have a new diagnosis, or they are the only person you have seen - I would ignore the advice and send one.
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It does say don't send a supporting letter from GP - because they were receiving lots of worthless letters where they already had information - however, if you think it can benefit you - because they may say your condition has deteriorated, or confirmed you have a new diagnosis, or they are the only person you have seen - I would ignore the advice and send one.
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