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PIP phone assesment
- Hazel
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it turns out that a physiotherapist assessed me, so I was right in my guess that they were not a mental health specialist. There are some "interesting" assumptions and leaps of logic in there like saying that being able to attend appointments means that I can undergo a journey, which I don't understand as almost every appointment I have had in the last 2 years has been other the phone, MSteams, or the attend anywhere site... so I've literally not had to leave my house for them.
They also claimed that I can cook and budget becuase I can drive, which I really can't work out at all...
And that because I go to a shop once a week that I don't have symtoms of psychological distress, conveniently she neglected to add to the report that I am drive to the shop and accumpanied around the shop as I can't go alone.
There were loads more but I won't list them all and bore you all

one bit that stood out though, and I quote word for word here was "although she has a history of autism this is a learning difficulty and not a disability"... I kind of feel that this one statement shows how little knowledge she has on my conditions
I've started writting a letter pointing out the innacuracies and adding some extra info to the bits where she either conveniently forgot to add detaiols or where she claimed thing that I wasn't even asked about (she's claimed in the report that I have never seen a speech theripist and had no support at school when in reality she asked about neither of these and I have had both). I hope to get this posted this week
I am also started getting some prep in place for the inevitable MR/appeal. I know that this is not the final decision, but I get the impression that the decision makers rarely go against the assessors and I would rather get some prep work done now while I can as knowing my brain it is liable to overreact to the actual decision...
Currently tring to think of more sources of evidence but struggling a little. Hoping that my formulation document and treatment plans will be of use when I get them next week, but will have to see what they say once I get them. I now realise how careful I need to be based on how much the assessor twisted what I said last week. Will also ask my care coordinator for a letter and see if I can convince my housemate to write a statement.
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I do feel your pain when reading your PA4 about assumptions assessors make.
I attended a telephone tribunal on Monday, the client was not feeling very good and would have cancelled but I had contacted her before the hearing to go through the procedure.
When I did my submission I had gone through the assessors report with my highlighter, I wrote down what the assessor had awarded then I wrote down what I thought the client should be awarded and why, link it in with any medical evidence.
At the end of my submission I wrote that I believe the client should be awarded 26 points daily living and 10 points mobility, the Tribunal awarded enhanced daily living and standard mobility. I have not yet seen a copy of the decision letter, I did ask the Tribunal how long the award would be for, the chair informed me that they had not yet made up their mind so we wait to see.
The client could not believe it as it will also have a knock on effect with her IR ESA claim and she will also receive SDP and EDP backdated.
From filling in the online claims form to the date of the Tribunal was less than 2 months.
Make sure you complete your submission before your start your online appeal, you can then either copy and paste it or upload it as a file.
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Section 6 Equality Act 2010:
‘(1)A person (P) has a disability if—
(a)P has a physical or mental impairment, and
(b)the impairment has a substantial and long-term adverse effect on P's ability to carry out normal day-to-day activities.’
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I also find it exceedingly disappointing and frustrating to read the poorly worded and inaccurate assessment reports that occur far too frequently. In your MR I would definitely state that the assessor was a physio who did not appear to have any specialist mental health training. You could Google definition of autism, if you look at eg NHS website there is a list of matters that people with autism have difficulties with. (These aren't learning difficulties!) You could copy and paste this list or a similar one from another relevant site and state that
'here is a list of activities that autistic people like myself have difficulties with...'
[you could delete items from the list that don't apply to you, or if they all apply, you could say so! ]
[Then continue...]
'it is quite clear that these difficulties do not comprise learning difficulties, autism is a complex disorder affecting the ability to make friends, to cope with change and to express oneself. The Assessor shows by his/her comment
that s/he has little or no understanding about autism, and therefore the Assessment Report can not be relied upon...' You can then add a few bullet points no more than 4 or 5 highlighting the major flaws of the report
Eg say '...this can be seen by eg
•the hurried approach of the assessor who didn't allow me to answer questions fully....' you can add other similar examples.
I hope this helps give a few ideas!
Good luck.
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I have spoken to my CMHT care coordinator, he said he'd write a letter but only if I supplied him with an email address or name of someone to contact dirrectlly at the DWP... he won't give me a letter to forward. I dislike this idea as A i don't have a contact, and B I need to check what he writes...
I also still don't have a treatment of crisis plan to forward on as for some reason he won't give me a copy... Though to be fair as the extent of my treatment seems to be "here are some links to the recovery college for self help, we have referred you to see a psychiatrist for a medication review, but we suggest you look for private therapy" I am not sure it would have helped much anyway... I've not been discharged, but also not getting any real treatment...
Too ill to discharge, not ill enough to get access to the limited support/services available... story of my life

So I am back to the lacking evidence problem, and as now it appears that private treatment is my only option so I kind of really need PIP to even attempt to get better or have any sort of life I'm going to have to find something
Anyone know if statements from friends are taken seriously?
My housemate is going to write a statement this weekend and another friend has also offered - but as I have hardly seen her in the last 2 years I am not sure what she can realistically write if I am honest. I can't think of anyone else to ask really as I basically never see anyone due to rarely being able to leave the house, but thinking I might write up a general facebook status asking if anyone is willing to write anything, even if it's about how I was when they last saw me or confirming that I don't really go anywhere or see anyone
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I can understand you not wanting your care coordinator to write a letter that you haven't seen. There is always a danger that they write something that is damaging to your claim rather than supports it.
You are entitled to see your care plan unless he believes it would be damaging to your mental health - (in which case you should clearly be able to access more services!)
Letters from your friends can be useful. They are the people who know you. It doesn't matter that one of them hasn't seen you for two years. Plenty of people haven't. They can write about what they know about you in the past. Make sure their letters cover the specific PIP criteria.
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