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3 years 7 months ago #263238 by Wah Wah
Hi,
This is my first query. My friend has Schizoaffective Disorder and us vulnerable. 2-3 years ago the DWP withdrew her DLA, but did not transition her onto PIP. My friend struggled on ESA. When I found out last year I encouraged her to apply for PIP using Benefits & Work guides. Her first application was unsuccessful. The interview did not go well. The assessment failed to take into account the way her disability impacted on her physical health and mobility. An appeal was successful and finally DWP acknowledged the challenges faced in respect of both her mental and physical health and mobility. Following the success of her appeal, my friend revisited the DWP DLA decision that had pauperised her, impacting on her health and finances, putting her into arrears with utility bills and struggling to pay for food and basics. After several weeks, the DWP has decided that due to the passage of time, they do not have to revisit the DLA discontinuance/transition to PIP. I believe my friend has a right to appeal the decision which was plainly wrong when considering the subsequent PIP award acknowledged the intersection of mental and physical health when making a full award. Can my friend appeal/go to tribunal making a case that as her mental health and mobility issues were the same as when she was paid DLA and now she receives PIP, that the DWP should acknowledge the two year period without PIP support and backdate the award ? I'd appreciate some guidance on this that I could pass on to my friend who due to her condition, is not always able to advocate for herself.

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3 years 7 months ago #263252 by LL26
Replied by LL26 on topic Appealing DWP decision to withdraw DLA
Hi Wah Wah,
Welcome to B&W.
Unfortunately I'm going to be the bringer of bad news. Let me first give a bit if background information. PIP was introduced in 2013 to replace DLA as the main benefit for people with disabilities.DLA was out of date and the system needed a rethink. Hence PIP was created, with a view that in time everyone would be moved over from DLA in due course. So, as a result DLA recipients have been written over the last few years inviting them to claim PIP. I haven't seen one of these letters for a long while, but the original ones said to the effect that your DLA was coming to an end, and if you wished to continue to claim benefit for disabilities you would need to claim PIP and the relevant claiming details were provided. Unfortunately there was no automatic transfer, an actual claim had to be made for PIP normally by ringing the claim helpline. If a claim was made then DLA would be paid until a PIP decision was made. Essentially the rates of payment were equivalent to the previous DLA payments, if a similar award for PIP was granted.
The vital thing was that there was no direct transfer. This has happened with some benefits, but never with PIP. If you didn't claim PIP, when invited to do this you would lose disability benefits. This is the law, and DWP have administered this process correctly. Certainly the previous letters I have read were very clear, and I am not aware of there being any lack of clarity in any letter about DLA ending. (I have made much criticism of DWP communications over the years, but never in respect of the end of DLA letters.)
Round about the same time that PIP came into being, the appeals system was amended. There was now an absolute time limit of 13 months from a decision, to initiate the first stage of an appeal. This would only apply to a decision. (Eg a refusal to award PIP, like with the tribunal case you mention.) The previous award of DLA would either have been a closed award ie for a set period with an end date or an indefinite one that was brought to an end by the need to claim PIP. Most DLA awards were for a definite period. The PIP invitstion letters were sent out around 6 months before the DLA end to allow sufficient time for PIP claim to be made so effectively DLA would end and PIP start seamlessly. This means that there is no DLA award to appeal, which would naturally end at the final date. The letters have always made it clear that to continue to receive benefit, an actual claim for PIP has to be made, it is therefore the responsibility of the claimant to ensure this is done.
I appreciate that without proper advice your friend may not have realised she needed to claim PIP, however there is nothing that can be appealed here. DLA simply expires at the end date, DWP have not made a decision, (or need to)your friend hasn't claimed PIP, and even if there was something to appeal, it would be out of time in any event.
This all sounds unfair, but is legally correct.
The only possibility for redress is if you can prove that DWP gave incorrect advice about moving onto PIP eg the letter said 'do nothing PIP is automatic'. If that is the case then a complaint could be made and a request for compensation for the non paid DLA could be made. However, unless you have a rogue letter, which you would need to produce there is no chance that a complaint would be upheld.
I am sorry that my advice isn't good news.
Nevertheless, I hope that you will find the explanation of assistance.
LL26

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3 years 7 months ago #263254 by an ex nurse
Replied by an ex nurse on topic Appealing DWP decision to withdraw DLA
Hi Wahwah, your friend is very lucky to have someone like you to help and advocate for her in a such a way. Too many people have to try and navigate this confusing system alone.
All good wishes to you

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3 years 7 months ago #263298 by denby
Replied by denby on topic Appealing DWP decision to withdraw DLA
Dear Wah Wah, as An Ex Nurse says your friend is lucky to have you. Could you try feeding all her details through a benefits calculator, or probably better if available, helping her to see a qualified adviser, to check if she is getting all the help from other benefits that she should?
Also ref housing costs, many councils have discretionary funds that could give her a one-off leg-up. And charities such as CAP will help sort out debts by dealing with creditors for her. GPs can usually issue food bank access slips.
Best I can suggest, good wishes to both of you,
Denby

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3 years 7 months ago #263354 by Wah Wah
Replied by Wah Wah on topic Appealing DWP decision to withdraw DLA
Thank you for your very thoughtful reply, although not, as you say what I had hoped to hear. I would like to follow up after feeding back to my friend, in case there is anything I have overlooked and to review the correspondence/telephone dealings with the DWP.

I am also looking for a local support agency who could review my friend's situation and find help with debts. I very much appreciate the replies to my enquiry. So very supportive and helpful.

Thank you everyone.

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3 years 7 months ago #263355 by Wah Wah
Replied by Wah Wah on topic Appealing DWP decision to withdraw DLA
Thank you for your kind words of support.

All good wishes.

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