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3 years 6 months ago #264108 by Raph
Awarded UC-LCWRA, and PIP all via paper-based Assessment. PIP: DL (HR); Mob (SR) – Oct 2021. MR for Mob to be raised to HR: Unsuccessful – Mar 2022 Pending: Appealed unsuccessful MR. Now awaiting Tribunal Hearing date – April 2022
DWP Investigative Practices & Your Privacy was created by Raph
I stumbled across this page when I was looking for information about DWP practices generally.
It's not written by conspiracy nutjobs, or tinfoil hat wearers, Privacy International is a registered charity of 30 NGOs collectively concerned with public privacy across Europe.
bit.ly/Privacy-International-shedding-light-on-the-DWP
The page is about DWP's investigative practices and Privacy, and was written in February this year.
I've just pull-quoted the section on Disability, but the whole piece is quite the eye-opener if you manage it.
I don't know about anyone else, but 'not being believed' or having things I've said or written twisted or misconstrued is rather a big fear for me - and it's not clinical paranoia, it's the DWP's track record of how it can treat people. The deliberate opacity and lack of transparency surrounding their practices only makes it worse, unfortunately.
It's not written by conspiracy nutjobs, or tinfoil hat wearers, Privacy International is a registered charity of 30 NGOs collectively concerned with public privacy across Europe.
bit.ly/Privacy-International-shedding-light-on-the-DWP
The page is about DWP's investigative practices and Privacy, and was written in February this year.
I've just pull-quoted the section on Disability, but the whole piece is quite the eye-opener if you manage it.
I don't know about anyone else, but 'not being believed' or having things I've said or written twisted or misconstrued is rather a big fear for me - and it's not clinical paranoia, it's the DWP's track record of how it can treat people. The deliberate opacity and lack of transparency surrounding their practices only makes it worse, unfortunately.

Disability
One of the objectives of the DWP is to assess whether someone who is claiming disability benefits is in fact disabled. They describe their mission as such: “The most important aspect of an investigation into disability benefits is understanding exactly what the customer has declared they can and cannot do, and gathering evidence which either proves or disproves their statement.” And surveillance plays a role in fulfilling that mission: “Surveillance should be used to obtain evidence of a person’s physical capability and in some cases their mental capability too.” [Part one, page 276]
The sub-section on Authorised Surveillance in the section on Awards of Disability Living Allowance, Personal Independence Payment, Attendance Allowance and Carer’s Allowance mentions that: “For Personal Independence Payment (PIP) there is a psychological distress component to consider.” The guide does not describe how that component should be taken into consideration.
That very section contains a list of what surveillance evidence can establish. However, that list has been redacted. Privacy International is currently working on accessing that list and the grounds on which it is has been redacted.
Unanswered questions
Despite the incredible amount of details that can be found in this two-part guide on investigating benefits fraud, some questions remained however unanswered. As we have highlighted throughout this piece some of the most sensitive information about the nature of the data that could be collected and how it could be used has been removed. We are currently working on trying to obtain such information or at least challenging the grounds for refusing to disclose it.
More importantly, what remains a key question is how specific cases are singled out and investigated. In other words, what triggers an investigation? We know that the DWP relies on a hotline, the National Benefit Fraud Hotline, that encourages people to inform on individuals, whom they suspect might be committing fraud. But what else does the DWP rely on? In the age of artificial intelligence and automated decision-making used for distributing welfare – a trend noted by the UN special rapporteur on Extreme Poverty during his visit to the UK – should we assume there is an element of automation in detecting cases of alleged fraud? Those are questions Privacy International hopes to find answers to.
Challenging the narrative
The fraud investigation guide reveals some insights into how the department in charge of allocating benefits and pensions has been turned into a surveillance machine, where people are employed to spy on others, where deals are struck with companies and the media to track down individuals and expose their lives in the papers. This comes at a huge cost. In order to justify it to the taxpayers, governments have to promote a narrative that “benefits cheats” are a real threat to our society. This narrative has long been challenged by academics and researchers, as we highlighted in our previous work. We think the real threat to society is this very system where governments can track benefits claimants – people who are often in very vulnerable situations – in the streets, at the gym, at their bingo club or as they travel. We think it is time to challenge the dominant narrative about what the real threats to our society: arbitrary, invasive and opaque surveillance and data exploitation.
One of the objectives of the DWP is to assess whether someone who is claiming disability benefits is in fact disabled. They describe their mission as such: “The most important aspect of an investigation into disability benefits is understanding exactly what the customer has declared they can and cannot do, and gathering evidence which either proves or disproves their statement.” And surveillance plays a role in fulfilling that mission: “Surveillance should be used to obtain evidence of a person’s physical capability and in some cases their mental capability too.” [Part one, page 276]
The sub-section on Authorised Surveillance in the section on Awards of Disability Living Allowance, Personal Independence Payment, Attendance Allowance and Carer’s Allowance mentions that: “For Personal Independence Payment (PIP) there is a psychological distress component to consider.” The guide does not describe how that component should be taken into consideration.
That very section contains a list of what surveillance evidence can establish. However, that list has been redacted. Privacy International is currently working on accessing that list and the grounds on which it is has been redacted.
Unanswered questions
Despite the incredible amount of details that can be found in this two-part guide on investigating benefits fraud, some questions remained however unanswered. As we have highlighted throughout this piece some of the most sensitive information about the nature of the data that could be collected and how it could be used has been removed. We are currently working on trying to obtain such information or at least challenging the grounds for refusing to disclose it.
More importantly, what remains a key question is how specific cases are singled out and investigated. In other words, what triggers an investigation? We know that the DWP relies on a hotline, the National Benefit Fraud Hotline, that encourages people to inform on individuals, whom they suspect might be committing fraud. But what else does the DWP rely on? In the age of artificial intelligence and automated decision-making used for distributing welfare – a trend noted by the UN special rapporteur on Extreme Poverty during his visit to the UK – should we assume there is an element of automation in detecting cases of alleged fraud? Those are questions Privacy International hopes to find answers to.
Challenging the narrative
The fraud investigation guide reveals some insights into how the department in charge of allocating benefits and pensions has been turned into a surveillance machine, where people are employed to spy on others, where deals are struck with companies and the media to track down individuals and expose their lives in the papers. This comes at a huge cost. In order to justify it to the taxpayers, governments have to promote a narrative that “benefits cheats” are a real threat to our society. This narrative has long been challenged by academics and researchers, as we highlighted in our previous work. We think the real threat to society is this very system where governments can track benefits claimants – people who are often in very vulnerable situations – in the streets, at the gym, at their bingo club or as they travel. We think it is time to challenge the dominant narrative about what the real threats to our society: arbitrary, invasive and opaque surveillance and data exploitation.
Awarded UC-LCWRA, and PIP all via paper-based Assessment. PIP: DL (HR); Mob (SR) – Oct 2021. MR for Mob to be raised to HR: Unsuccessful – Mar 2022 Pending: Appealed unsuccessful MR. Now awaiting Tribunal Hearing date – April 2022
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3 years 6 months ago #264116 by LL26
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Replied by LL26 on topic DWP Investigative Practices & Your Privacy
Hi Raph,
Clearly DWP do use surveillance - I have been involved with one or two cases where actual observations were carried out by DWP. All of the cases concerned large potential overpayments, one was prosecuted, but the defendant was acquitted. (He hadn't got better, he had just double-dosed on morphine to enable him to walk further!)
However, I don't think actual surveillance is a high priority as it is labour intensive and DWP don't have infinite resources. If you think of all the people claiming benefits, there is no way all could be actively watched. It's only ever going to get used in serious or high profile cases. The article refers to RIPA, which is the legislation that governs surveillance. If the correct authorisation is not achieved and evidenced beforehand, surveillance (however damning) will be deemed unlawful. It will be struck out in the criminal courts and also at tribunal. I am aware that DWP routinely do 'data-matching' with HMRC and local authorities. These things do happen, but remember that data protection is now very much stronger, and personal information is safeguarded. Try not to be too paranoid!
LL26
Clearly DWP do use surveillance - I have been involved with one or two cases where actual observations were carried out by DWP. All of the cases concerned large potential overpayments, one was prosecuted, but the defendant was acquitted. (He hadn't got better, he had just double-dosed on morphine to enable him to walk further!)
However, I don't think actual surveillance is a high priority as it is labour intensive and DWP don't have infinite resources. If you think of all the people claiming benefits, there is no way all could be actively watched. It's only ever going to get used in serious or high profile cases. The article refers to RIPA, which is the legislation that governs surveillance. If the correct authorisation is not achieved and evidenced beforehand, surveillance (however damning) will be deemed unlawful. It will be struck out in the criminal courts and also at tribunal. I am aware that DWP routinely do 'data-matching' with HMRC and local authorities. These things do happen, but remember that data protection is now very much stronger, and personal information is safeguarded. Try not to be too paranoid!
LL26
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3 years 6 months ago #264131 by BennyFit
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Hi
I believe most if not all investigations are done because the person has been reported to the benefit fraud hotline.
As regards "“Surveillance should be used to obtain evidence of a person’s physical capability and in some cases their mental capability too."
It is possible to obtain evidence of some physical abilities like walking, driving, swimming and leaving the house etc. I doubt very much they could gather any evidence for mental ability.
Most psychiatrists struggle to diagnose some mental conditions and this can take several visits.
I wouldn't get paranoid as they will mainly be concentrating on people living together as a couple or people working and claiming.
I believe most if not all investigations are done because the person has been reported to the benefit fraud hotline.
As regards "“Surveillance should be used to obtain evidence of a person’s physical capability and in some cases their mental capability too."
It is possible to obtain evidence of some physical abilities like walking, driving, swimming and leaving the house etc. I doubt very much they could gather any evidence for mental ability.
Most psychiatrists struggle to diagnose some mental conditions and this can take several visits.
I wouldn't get paranoid as they will mainly be concentrating on people living together as a couple or people working and claiming.
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3 years 6 months ago #264147 by Colin
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they access/accessed my medical record live, they have bugged my car as i dont know how else where i was.
one day i spoke with the gp about my leg and next day or so a person (same person in other places too) they hired was there watching me inside and outside the shop.
and they have asked the neighbour or neighbours to call them if i sit in or lift the bonnet of the car.
one day i spoke with the gp about my leg and next day or so a person (same person in other places too) they hired was there watching me inside and outside the shop.
and they have asked the neighbour or neighbours to call them if i sit in or lift the bonnet of the car.
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3 years 6 months ago #264148 by Colin
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and theres no doubght they are on here reading and posting.
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3 years 6 months ago #264158 by Gary
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Hi ccc
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