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1 week 6 days ago #301110 by rocco1504
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Hi again everyone.
Not been here for a few years.
I've just been awarded Standard rate PIP but only for my daily needs.
I have stage 3 emphysema and peripheral vascular disease, Type 2 diabetes and cardio problems.
Obviously on my application forms I put that I have difficulty with walking, but that I could walk 50m but only up to 100m before I get either puffed out or my legs are so painful that I have to stop to let the pain subside.
But I also put that some days i can't even get 50m before I'm puffing like an old steam train, and struggling badly.
Having read their report, I just don't understand how contradicting it is, I mean it takes into account that I have to have a bucket downstairs so I can pee during the day because I can't always make the toilet upstairs, and I got 2 points for that, but they can't seem to relate that to the fact that sometimes I can't walk more than 50m.
Anyway I only got 4 points for mobility.
I'm not really worried about the money part but I could really use getting a Blue badge so that I don't have to keep struggling to get places on time and having to make the rest of my family wait while I can muster the energy for the next leg of a journey.
I have to go to London tomorrow for a Lung function test at the Royal Brompton hospital and I'm dreading the journey by public transport because I can't drive in because I'd probably park in the wrong place or have to walk miles to my appointment.
Anyway sorry for the long story, but I just wondered if anyone else had been able to get a Blue badge without having mobility on their PIP claim.
Many thanks
Paul
Not been here for a few years.
I've just been awarded Standard rate PIP but only for my daily needs.
I have stage 3 emphysema and peripheral vascular disease, Type 2 diabetes and cardio problems.
Obviously on my application forms I put that I have difficulty with walking, but that I could walk 50m but only up to 100m before I get either puffed out or my legs are so painful that I have to stop to let the pain subside.
But I also put that some days i can't even get 50m before I'm puffing like an old steam train, and struggling badly.
Having read their report, I just don't understand how contradicting it is, I mean it takes into account that I have to have a bucket downstairs so I can pee during the day because I can't always make the toilet upstairs, and I got 2 points for that, but they can't seem to relate that to the fact that sometimes I can't walk more than 50m.
Anyway I only got 4 points for mobility.
I'm not really worried about the money part but I could really use getting a Blue badge so that I don't have to keep struggling to get places on time and having to make the rest of my family wait while I can muster the energy for the next leg of a journey.
I have to go to London tomorrow for a Lung function test at the Royal Brompton hospital and I'm dreading the journey by public transport because I can't drive in because I'd probably park in the wrong place or have to walk miles to my appointment.
Anyway sorry for the long story, but I just wondered if anyone else had been able to get a Blue badge without having mobility on their PIP claim.
Many thanks
Paul
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1 week 6 days ago #301157 by BIS
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Replied by BIS on topic Do I need to have mobility to apply for a Blue badge.
Hi rocco1504
Welcome back.
You can apply directly for a Blue Badge from your local council and be assessed by them without having a PIP mobility.
Are you going to apply for a mandatory reconsideration?
BIS
Welcome back.
You can apply directly for a Blue Badge from your local council and be assessed by them without having a PIP mobility.
Are you going to apply for a mandatory reconsideration?
BIS
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1 week 11 hours ago #301660 by rocco1504
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Hi BIS
Many thanks for your reply.
I had wondered about reconsideration, but I'm worried that they may take a different view on my whole situation and take away the living component as well.
I was very upset at the consultation on the phone, a few minutes from the end the call cut off and she had to call me back which completely shot my train of thought and I couldn't remember what I wanted to say to her about my condition, I wonder if it was orchestrated to mess with things.
I'm just not sure if I can go through the hassle of months of waiting again but I don't want to get sold short either, the problem is that it really is getting to a point that I need help with mobility issues.
Anyway thank you again, and I'll keep you posted if I do ask for a reconsideration.
Regards
Paul
Many thanks for your reply.
I had wondered about reconsideration, but I'm worried that they may take a different view on my whole situation and take away the living component as well.
I was very upset at the consultation on the phone, a few minutes from the end the call cut off and she had to call me back which completely shot my train of thought and I couldn't remember what I wanted to say to her about my condition, I wonder if it was orchestrated to mess with things.
I'm just not sure if I can go through the hassle of months of waiting again but I don't want to get sold short either, the problem is that it really is getting to a point that I need help with mobility issues.
Anyway thank you again, and I'll keep you posted if I do ask for a reconsideration.
Regards
Paul
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1 week 7 hours ago #301693 by BIS
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Hi Rocco1504
It's obviously up to you whether you decide to go for an MR. I don't know what you originally wrote, so I can only comment on what you have said here and I could be wrong. It sounds as if you may have opened yourself up to being marked down because you have a condition that varies - and many people do that.
You say that there are times when you can't walk 50 metres. You also say that you can walk up to 100 metres before the pain or breathlessness kicks in. You know yourself but, I was surprised that with the conditions you describe, that your pain and/or breathless doesn't kick in before 50 metres and that you don't walk slower than someone who doesn't have the same condition. With the emphesema - do you not experience breathlessness almost from your first step? If what I say is a possibility and combined with the days when you can hardly walk at all, then for the majority of the time you can't walk the distance you said as per the PIP criteria. Also can you walk reliably and safely? Do have a look at the guide again to see (Page 86 onwards) if you accurately described what happens to you.
Even if you don't decide to put in for an MR - you can always put in for a change of circumstances in the future if your condition grows worse and think about how you described the issue you have.
You have to do whatever is best for you and don't think I'm pushing you into putting in an MR. I just want to be sure that you know what the issues may be.
BIS
It's obviously up to you whether you decide to go for an MR. I don't know what you originally wrote, so I can only comment on what you have said here and I could be wrong. It sounds as if you may have opened yourself up to being marked down because you have a condition that varies - and many people do that.
You say that there are times when you can't walk 50 metres. You also say that you can walk up to 100 metres before the pain or breathlessness kicks in. You know yourself but, I was surprised that with the conditions you describe, that your pain and/or breathless doesn't kick in before 50 metres and that you don't walk slower than someone who doesn't have the same condition. With the emphesema - do you not experience breathlessness almost from your first step? If what I say is a possibility and combined with the days when you can hardly walk at all, then for the majority of the time you can't walk the distance you said as per the PIP criteria. Also can you walk reliably and safely? Do have a look at the guide again to see (Page 86 onwards) if you accurately described what happens to you.
Even if you don't decide to put in for an MR - you can always put in for a change of circumstances in the future if your condition grows worse and think about how you described the issue you have.
You have to do whatever is best for you and don't think I'm pushing you into putting in an MR. I just want to be sure that you know what the issues may be.
BIS
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4 days 8 hours ago #301959 by rocco1504
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Thank you BIS for your help. and my apologies for the tardy reply.
I think half of the problem was that a lot of the doctors reports i had were 6-18 months old and a lot has changed since then, and I don't really have any up to date reports, although I had a full lung function test last week and I'm seeing a couple of people in a month or so, so will have new evidence for the reports.
Is it possible to ask for a "Change of Circumstances " without having to go through the rigmarole of a new application ??, and they just look at the new evidence with what they already have sort of thing ??.
Anyway, thank you so much for your help it really has been useful for me.
Kind regards
Paul
I think half of the problem was that a lot of the doctors reports i had were 6-18 months old and a lot has changed since then, and I don't really have any up to date reports, although I had a full lung function test last week and I'm seeing a couple of people in a month or so, so will have new evidence for the reports.
Is it possible to ask for a "Change of Circumstances " without having to go through the rigmarole of a new application ??, and they just look at the new evidence with what they already have sort of thing ??.
Anyway, thank you so much for your help it really has been useful for me.
Kind regards
Paul
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4 days 4 hours ago #301990 by LL26
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Replied by LL26 on topic Do I need to have mobility to apply for a Blue badge.
Hi rocco1504,
I suggest that you await your forthcoming lung tests and perhaps you can ask the doctor about your walking ability. Or failing that he might well do a report confirming decreasing lung function etc. (At the very least there should be a report sent from the hospital doctor to your GP - you can use this for any MR.)
My view is that you have been confused about the correct mobility test. The correct test is not the bust a gut how far you can go test.
There are 4 criteria all of which need to be satisfied. (These apply to all PIP descriptor activities)
Safely
Acceptable standard
Reasonable time
Repetition
Safety - Is there a risk of substantial harm eg via falls, lack of balance etc?
Acceptable standard- this includes pain, breathlessness, fatigue etc - any walking done with significant pain has to be disregarded. (The same would be for breathlessness etc as well.) This has a rather odd implication that for PIP purposes your walking ability could actually be zero if you have constant pain or breathlessness etc. Not being acceptable could also comprise a poor manner of walking bumping into things (possible overlap with safety here).
Speed is also important. If your speed is over twice that of non disabled person you fail, even if you can ealj more than the 200m limit. Remember also that if you have to pause for a longer time, this may create 2 or more walking amounts. This means what you might perceive as eg 100m might be 33m if you stop twice.
Repetition is the crucial criterion. Journeys encompass a small amount of walking even when done in a car. You need to walk from the house to car and car to the next place. Repetition is all about what you would like to, or could do if non disabled.
Think about the following journeys all with a small walking element-
Take kids to school
Go back home
Go to bank
Go to card shop
Go home
Go back to post box to post written card
Pick up kids
Take kids to ballet and football
Pick up kids again
Visit aunt
Go home....
None of these journeys would be unreasonable across a day, and conceivably other journeys or 'walks' could be done.
Can you do all these potential repetition across the whole day, each day? But, being safe, acceptable and not too slow? Maybe you can, but then other days you are too tired etc you can't gi anywhere? Alternatively perhaps you have better days where you can all of these and more?
If you can't repeat all the required walks each day, being safe, acceptable and within time for the majority of days you should get points relevant to the distance you can actually repeat. In terms if safety - if you are always at risk of a fall then you may never be safe and hence walking ability is again zero - however in this instance you may score points on the planning journeys etc descriptor - need to be accompanied on unfamiliar journeys. (Which would also comprise familiar journeys hence all journeys = 12 points.)
By asking for an MR, you wouldn't normally have to undertake another assessment. It is very unlikely that you would lose the existing award- if this did occur you could appeal to the tribunal.
Normally you have 1 month after the initial decision to send in an MR letter. If you are a little bit late dye to awaiting a medical report from your specialist, don't worry, explain you had to wait for this hence the lateness. This should not be a problem if you do this.
To counter any possible DWP argument that sny new medical report refers to now, and hence not the time of decision, ask the specialist to confirm that you have an ongoing deteriorating condition (if this is so). Many conditions don't deteriorate overnight - this happens over months if not years and hence is relevant for a decision made a month or so ago.
Perhaps you can ask (or make your own) comparison from last tests and now. Include increasing medication too.
If you are approaching state pension age, if you do ask for a review in order to receive a mobility award now, the law prevents a new mobility award after this age. Additionally, if you have a standard mobility award, whilst this can continue post pension age, again the law prevents a subsequent enhanced award. Therefore it it important to ask DWP to consider mobility before you become too old !!
I hope this helps.
LL26
I suggest that you await your forthcoming lung tests and perhaps you can ask the doctor about your walking ability. Or failing that he might well do a report confirming decreasing lung function etc. (At the very least there should be a report sent from the hospital doctor to your GP - you can use this for any MR.)
My view is that you have been confused about the correct mobility test. The correct test is not the bust a gut how far you can go test.
There are 4 criteria all of which need to be satisfied. (These apply to all PIP descriptor activities)
Safely
Acceptable standard
Reasonable time
Repetition
Safety - Is there a risk of substantial harm eg via falls, lack of balance etc?
Acceptable standard- this includes pain, breathlessness, fatigue etc - any walking done with significant pain has to be disregarded. (The same would be for breathlessness etc as well.) This has a rather odd implication that for PIP purposes your walking ability could actually be zero if you have constant pain or breathlessness etc. Not being acceptable could also comprise a poor manner of walking bumping into things (possible overlap with safety here).
Speed is also important. If your speed is over twice that of non disabled person you fail, even if you can ealj more than the 200m limit. Remember also that if you have to pause for a longer time, this may create 2 or more walking amounts. This means what you might perceive as eg 100m might be 33m if you stop twice.
Repetition is the crucial criterion. Journeys encompass a small amount of walking even when done in a car. You need to walk from the house to car and car to the next place. Repetition is all about what you would like to, or could do if non disabled.
Think about the following journeys all with a small walking element-
Take kids to school
Go back home
Go to bank
Go to card shop
Go home
Go back to post box to post written card
Pick up kids
Take kids to ballet and football
Pick up kids again
Visit aunt
Go home....
None of these journeys would be unreasonable across a day, and conceivably other journeys or 'walks' could be done.
Can you do all these potential repetition across the whole day, each day? But, being safe, acceptable and not too slow? Maybe you can, but then other days you are too tired etc you can't gi anywhere? Alternatively perhaps you have better days where you can all of these and more?
If you can't repeat all the required walks each day, being safe, acceptable and within time for the majority of days you should get points relevant to the distance you can actually repeat. In terms if safety - if you are always at risk of a fall then you may never be safe and hence walking ability is again zero - however in this instance you may score points on the planning journeys etc descriptor - need to be accompanied on unfamiliar journeys. (Which would also comprise familiar journeys hence all journeys = 12 points.)
By asking for an MR, you wouldn't normally have to undertake another assessment. It is very unlikely that you would lose the existing award- if this did occur you could appeal to the tribunal.
Normally you have 1 month after the initial decision to send in an MR letter. If you are a little bit late dye to awaiting a medical report from your specialist, don't worry, explain you had to wait for this hence the lateness. This should not be a problem if you do this.
To counter any possible DWP argument that sny new medical report refers to now, and hence not the time of decision, ask the specialist to confirm that you have an ongoing deteriorating condition (if this is so). Many conditions don't deteriorate overnight - this happens over months if not years and hence is relevant for a decision made a month or so ago.
Perhaps you can ask (or make your own) comparison from last tests and now. Include increasing medication too.
If you are approaching state pension age, if you do ask for a review in order to receive a mobility award now, the law prevents a new mobility award after this age. Additionally, if you have a standard mobility award, whilst this can continue post pension age, again the law prevents a subsequent enhanced award. Therefore it it important to ask DWP to consider mobility before you become too old !!
I hope this helps.
LL26
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