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3 days 21 hours ago #303287 by boris1
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I have had two injured shoulders for years.
They have hot worse over time.
At each pip reassessment I ha e written that I cannot reach behind my back or above my shoulders yet I have only achieved a score of 2.
I have told assessors the difficulties I have but yet I have not received more points.
I have not challenged this before because I have been awarded hr care component for overall points
Obviously this time I will try to get 4 or above points but I don't know what more I can do to achieve it.
My pip review is underway and I would appreciate any advice about what else I can do to achieve more points in this descriptor please.
They have hot worse over time.
At each pip reassessment I ha e written that I cannot reach behind my back or above my shoulders yet I have only achieved a score of 2.
I have told assessors the difficulties I have but yet I have not received more points.
I have not challenged this before because I have been awarded hr care component for overall points
Obviously this time I will try to get 4 or above points but I don't know what more I can do to achieve it.
My pip review is underway and I would appreciate any advice about what else I can do to achieve more points in this descriptor please.
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2 days 22 hours ago #303335 by BIS
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Hi boris1
It's not easy to offer you much advice with so little information. Many of the PIP activities don't require you to be able to reach behind your back or above your shoulder, so it may be that you're arguing in the wrong way.
Your shoulder injuries clearly have an impact on your ability to complete tasks, but how far? Are you in pain? Is one side worse than the other? Have you had accidents or do you drop things? Do you require help from other people? Have these injuries had any impact on your mental health? You don't need to come back and answer any of these questions - it's none of my business. But if you are looking at scoring 4 points, you need to look at each of the care questions and check with the Guide to PIP claims and reviews to see if you are giving a full enough picture of your obvious limitations.
So take for instance. If you have two injured shoulders, are you able to cook a simple meal without assistance? Are you safe?
Are you able to bathe without help? Are you safe if you try to bathe? Do you do this much more slowly than someone else. Does it cause you more pain? Do you have to stop?
Forgive me, you may have covered all this - but people often don't mention things because they sound silly, or they expect the assessor to understand, and they don't.
Have a look at the questions where you think you should have scored more, and see how you can give a harder argument. There are lots of examples in the guide.
benefitsandwork.co.uk/guides-for-claimants/pip
BIS
It's not easy to offer you much advice with so little information. Many of the PIP activities don't require you to be able to reach behind your back or above your shoulder, so it may be that you're arguing in the wrong way.
Your shoulder injuries clearly have an impact on your ability to complete tasks, but how far? Are you in pain? Is one side worse than the other? Have you had accidents or do you drop things? Do you require help from other people? Have these injuries had any impact on your mental health? You don't need to come back and answer any of these questions - it's none of my business. But if you are looking at scoring 4 points, you need to look at each of the care questions and check with the Guide to PIP claims and reviews to see if you are giving a full enough picture of your obvious limitations.
So take for instance. If you have two injured shoulders, are you able to cook a simple meal without assistance? Are you safe?
Are you able to bathe without help? Are you safe if you try to bathe? Do you do this much more slowly than someone else. Does it cause you more pain? Do you have to stop?
Forgive me, you may have covered all this - but people often don't mention things because they sound silly, or they expect the assessor to understand, and they don't.
Have a look at the questions where you think you should have scored more, and see how you can give a harder argument. There are lots of examples in the guide.
benefitsandwork.co.uk/guides-for-claimants/pip
BIS
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