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Self-employment & ESA claim
- Brightside
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13 years 5 months ago #59221 by Brightside
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Are all self-employed people made to suffer unfair and terrible hardship if they make an ESA claim?
These are my questions:
1. Why am I not entitled to an ESA award above NICs?
2. Why is it not clear that ESA is a means-tested benefit and a self-employed disabled person is not entitled to receive it if their partner earns an income above £60 per week?
I was diagnosed with advanced cervical cancer in October 2010. The chemo and radiotherapy treatment was very gruelling. It ended on 1 February 2011. I had five weekly sessions of intravenous cisplatin from that ended in mid-January. I had concurrent daily radiotherapy treatment until 1 February. I also had four sessions of brachytherapy in February as an in-patient.
My current Statement of Fitness to Work runs from 29.11.2011 to 30.6.2011.
I made an ESA teleclaim on 21.2.2011, when I was well enough to raise my head from the pillow. Jobcentre Plus is giving me a terrible time because I am self-employed. I run a training business with my partner. We have no employees.
On 15.3.2011 I sent a B16 form to Jobcentre Plus, declaring my company’s business income and expenditure.
On 1.4.2011 my claim was ‘withdrawn’, not by me but by Jobcentre Plus because they claimed I should pay myself Statutory Sick Pay. My claim was re-instated when my business accountant certified that there is no money in the business to pay me SSP. Jobcentre Plus was also sent business bank statements. I have had no income for months. My partner had to refuse work for several months to look after me. We have no savings, only debts. We live in a rented home. Our business, which was set up in May 2010, is on the edge of insolvency.
On 26.5.2011, I made one of many calls to check the progress of my claim. The call centre operator said she couldn’t understand why my claim hadn’t been processed already. I told her I am in desperate poverty at this stage. We have no money to pay our rent. We have a Council Tax summons and have to borrow money from my son to put fuel in the car. My case was referred to the "Urgent Team" for a decision in 48 hours.
On 31.5.2011, I was asked by Jobcentre Plus if I wanted to claim contributions-based instead of income-based Employment and Support Allowance. I asked for clarification about the difference with income-based. I was told that my partner must be earning less than £60 per week for me to qualify for means-tested income-based ESA. I confirmed agreement to change claim to contribution-based since my partner earns more than this weekly amount.
On 10.6.2011, I called Jobcentre Plus again to check progress. I was asked to confirm that my claim was now contributions- based, which I did.
On 11.6.2011, I received an ESA50 form to complete which must be returned by 26.7.2011.
On 13.6.2011 (today) I phoned Jobcentre Plus to ask what benefit I can expect while a final decision is made about my claim. I was told that I am entitled to nothing apart from National Insurance contributions. I have no entitlement to any other payment because I own my own business and I have claimed contributions-based ESA. I was almost speechless with shock at this news. I told the call centre operator that this had not been explained to me at any point when I asked for an explanation about the difference between income-based and contributions-based ESA. He said, “But you own your own business.” I told him I am bed-ridden and cannot work in my business. I have no money and face eviction from my home. He is now sending me the ‘income form’ so that I can say how much (actually how little) my partner earns.
I asked if I would receive Job Seeker’s Allowance now if I could work. He said that I’m entitled to JSA. I told him that it’s a nightmare and a con.
At that point I was so distressed that I had to end the call. I cried for ages. I’m made to feel like a worthless thief by the system because I’m sick and can’t work. I can’t even sit! I am severely penalised because I nominally have a business. I wouldn’t be facing these problems if I was a straightforward employee. How can I sort out this nightmare??!!!
These are my questions:
1. Why am I not entitled to an ESA award above NICs?
2. Why is it not clear that ESA is a means-tested benefit and a self-employed disabled person is not entitled to receive it if their partner earns an income above £60 per week?
I was diagnosed with advanced cervical cancer in October 2010. The chemo and radiotherapy treatment was very gruelling. It ended on 1 February 2011. I had five weekly sessions of intravenous cisplatin from that ended in mid-January. I had concurrent daily radiotherapy treatment until 1 February. I also had four sessions of brachytherapy in February as an in-patient.
My current Statement of Fitness to Work runs from 29.11.2011 to 30.6.2011.
I made an ESA teleclaim on 21.2.2011, when I was well enough to raise my head from the pillow. Jobcentre Plus is giving me a terrible time because I am self-employed. I run a training business with my partner. We have no employees.
On 15.3.2011 I sent a B16 form to Jobcentre Plus, declaring my company’s business income and expenditure.
On 1.4.2011 my claim was ‘withdrawn’, not by me but by Jobcentre Plus because they claimed I should pay myself Statutory Sick Pay. My claim was re-instated when my business accountant certified that there is no money in the business to pay me SSP. Jobcentre Plus was also sent business bank statements. I have had no income for months. My partner had to refuse work for several months to look after me. We have no savings, only debts. We live in a rented home. Our business, which was set up in May 2010, is on the edge of insolvency.
On 26.5.2011, I made one of many calls to check the progress of my claim. The call centre operator said she couldn’t understand why my claim hadn’t been processed already. I told her I am in desperate poverty at this stage. We have no money to pay our rent. We have a Council Tax summons and have to borrow money from my son to put fuel in the car. My case was referred to the "Urgent Team" for a decision in 48 hours.
On 31.5.2011, I was asked by Jobcentre Plus if I wanted to claim contributions-based instead of income-based Employment and Support Allowance. I asked for clarification about the difference with income-based. I was told that my partner must be earning less than £60 per week for me to qualify for means-tested income-based ESA. I confirmed agreement to change claim to contribution-based since my partner earns more than this weekly amount.
On 10.6.2011, I called Jobcentre Plus again to check progress. I was asked to confirm that my claim was now contributions- based, which I did.
On 11.6.2011, I received an ESA50 form to complete which must be returned by 26.7.2011.
On 13.6.2011 (today) I phoned Jobcentre Plus to ask what benefit I can expect while a final decision is made about my claim. I was told that I am entitled to nothing apart from National Insurance contributions. I have no entitlement to any other payment because I own my own business and I have claimed contributions-based ESA. I was almost speechless with shock at this news. I told the call centre operator that this had not been explained to me at any point when I asked for an explanation about the difference between income-based and contributions-based ESA. He said, “But you own your own business.” I told him I am bed-ridden and cannot work in my business. I have no money and face eviction from my home. He is now sending me the ‘income form’ so that I can say how much (actually how little) my partner earns.
I asked if I would receive Job Seeker’s Allowance now if I could work. He said that I’m entitled to JSA. I told him that it’s a nightmare and a con.
At that point I was so distressed that I had to end the call. I cried for ages. I’m made to feel like a worthless thief by the system because I’m sick and can’t work. I can’t even sit! I am severely penalised because I nominally have a business. I wouldn’t be facing these problems if I was a straightforward employee. How can I sort out this nightmare??!!!
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13 years 5 months ago #59225 by Gordon
Nothing on this board constitutes legal advice - always consult a professional about specific problems
Replied by Gordon on topic Re:Self-employment & ESA claim
Brightside
OK the first thing to say is that you need to get face to face advise from the CAB or Welfare Rights as they can look at all of your circumstances and make recommendations on how you should proceed.
Your eligibility foe Contribution Based ESA is affected by your Class 1 and 2 NI payments over the last three years, so if you did not maintain your NI history during this time, this would be why you were refused.
I believe you have been misinformed with regard to Income Related ESA and your partners income, it is certainly not £60/week. However, there are many factors that could affect your eligibility and/or whether you would actually receive payment, which is why you need to see an advisor.
I hope you will understand that due to the restrictions of the forum, we are limited in the advice we can offer.
Gordon
OK the first thing to say is that you need to get face to face advise from the CAB or Welfare Rights as they can look at all of your circumstances and make recommendations on how you should proceed.
Your eligibility foe Contribution Based ESA is affected by your Class 1 and 2 NI payments over the last three years, so if you did not maintain your NI history during this time, this would be why you were refused.
I believe you have been misinformed with regard to Income Related ESA and your partners income, it is certainly not £60/week. However, there are many factors that could affect your eligibility and/or whether you would actually receive payment, which is why you need to see an advisor.
I hope you will understand that due to the restrictions of the forum, we are limited in the advice we can offer.
Gordon
Nothing on this board constitutes legal advice - always consult a professional about specific problems
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13 years 5 months ago #59231 by Brightside
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Many thanks Gordon.
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13 years 5 months ago #59291 by Brightside
Replied by Brightside on topic Re:Self-employment & ESA claim
I'm very pleased to report that I was given wrong information yesterday by Jobcentre Plus. I am entitled to £67.50 per week following initial assessment, backdated to November 2010. I am now completing my ESA50.
I'm still recovering from the distress caused by yesterday's mis-information but at least I've got the correct information now. And they're making a payment at last!
Thank you for being there for me. I can't tell you what a difference it makes to know I can get sensible, sound information.
As you advise, always get the name of the Jobcentre person you are speaking to and keep a written note of the conversation. It really matters!
I'm still recovering from the distress caused by yesterday's mis-information but at least I've got the correct information now. And they're making a payment at last!
Thank you for being there for me. I can't tell you what a difference it makes to know I can get sensible, sound information.
As you advise, always get the name of the Jobcentre person you are speaking to and keep a written note of the conversation. It really matters!
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