A government minister has committed themselves to ‘urgently investigating’ alleged assessment tricks used by PIP and WCA assessors after they were raised by MPs at a meeting of the work and pensions committee last week.  We’re asking if you have had a similar experience?

Chloe Smith, minister for disabled people gave the undertaking to investigate after Dr Ben Spencer gave three examples of “covert assessment” raised by claimants at public meetings he had attended.

The first involved missing water cups, Spencer explained:

“One was there was water available at the assessment centre, the water cooler did not have any cups, but one down the corridor did. It was deliberate that the water cooler was broken or cups were not available to see if a person was able to walk beyond the first water cooler to get some water.”

“Another one was that lifts were broken deliberately, seemingly to assess that people were able to use the stairs.”

The third suspected ruse was a pen drop:

 “One person described the assessor dropping a pen in front of them—I think it was a pen or something like that—to see if the person would pick it up as part of a covert assessment effectively of their mobility.”

Spencer asked the minister “Would you commit to urgently investigating this to confirm whether this is indeed an accurate reflection of practices that are going on at the assessments?”

Smith responded:  “Yes, and if I may add on the example of the lift, I am also keen that all of our facilities are properly accessible. It would be unacceptable to have a deliberately broken lift so, yes, we will look into those.”

Of course, all of these may be perfectly innocent.  It may be that the nearest water cooler ran out of cups first, that the lift really was broken and that the assessor genuinely dropped their pen.

The real proof that these were dirty tricks is if they were used in assessment reports where the claimant was supposedly caught out by them.

But anything connected with the DWP is treated with such suspicion by many claimants that innocent explanations are the least likely to be accepted.

Other issues raised by MPS included what was described as the widespread practice whereby  claimants with a “severe visual impairment have to read letters off a chart at their assessment? Do you think that is acceptable? Do you think it builds trust?”

Another complaint was the lack of specialist knowledge displayed by some assessors.  One complaint received by MPS was that:

“The assessment was completed by a nurse that had never heard of my condition. She said she Googled it 5 minutes before seeing me. You cannot understand a complex condition with a 5 min

Google.”

Have you experienced something that you thought was a dirty trick or particularly bad practice at an assessment.  Let us know in the comments below.

You can watch the full committee hearing or read the transcript here.

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    Rachel · 1 years ago
    It would be very useful if the people a Benefits and Work could answer some of the desperate people on this forum - is that not what it is for?
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    Kris · 1 years ago
    I was forced to endure a telephone assessment even though they knew my fear of speaking on the phone is so severe that I have only plugged my landline in 19 times in 13 years and the the distress it causes me has always been listed and supported by medical evidence in all previous re-assessments.I was so afraid of having my money stopped that I agreed but said I could only do so if I drank lots of alcohol which inturn makes me sick as I only ever drink if I have to see or talk to anyone other than my family.which is also well documented.I went without any sleep for 2 nights spent 3 days drinking enough  vodka and water to give me the courage to talk on the phone,followed by vomiting then repeat.The lady conducting the assessment was aware that I would be drinking heavily both prior to and during the call.The end result was having my payments reduced.My previous assessements have always been face to face and due to the nature of my condition have been conducted in my home and I have always been awarded the higher rate for the past 8yrs.I didn't even appeal because I felt so bullied and then after the result i felt both betrayed and conned as the only difference from previous assessments was being forced to use a phone regardless that my absolute terror of answering and the distress it causes me was known yet ignored.
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      Kris · 6 months ago
      @Kris Despite the fact that on my renewal form I had pleaded with them for a face to face assessment and detailed the horrendous effects that the last telephone assessment had on me,They are making me do it again!I told them that I lost half a stone over the week before and the week after and Ive never regained my appitite and conseqently I have lost a further stone in weight and most of my teeth and my hair but they have just ignored it.I just cant face it again so I am just going to give up.
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      Kel · 1 years ago
      @Kris What is your illness of you don'tind me asking 
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    Teresa · 1 years ago
    They dropped at pen with me as well I did pick it up as I found it rude not to but I kept my arm straight and it took real effort I’m a diabetic with long term depression and they just knocked me of I need help of my son but they did not care just knocked me off which mop can I write to they save the assessors are medically qualified I don’t think so as a friend had a tree surgeon as theirs
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      ostia · 1 years ago
      @Rachel I think they meant knee surgeon? No way would a tree surgeon be allowed to do the job and if so, you wouldnt hear about it!! Sorry you had a bad experience tho, whoever it was may have made assumptions about your abilities and maybe not enough specialised information on your illness and no time to read the evidence. It is a shambles really, hence this useful website and other disablity support charities.
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      Rachel · 1 years ago
      @Teresa "Tree surgeons" definitely should NOT be able to get the job as a WCA/PIP Assessor ... possibly misheard?? I as a trained nurse could do that job - I am pretty knowledgeable about various conditions (have got most of them!) and would find the job (as it should be) satisfying and to be honest, quite easy had I not been sick and disabled as can work from home doing phone assessments .... HOWEVER, they are pressured into getting people OFF the benefit, I believe they have targets and therefore bonuses (in fact it says so on the job adverts, so what else could you get a bonus for other than doing more assessments in a day and getting more folk off the benefit?) So, my conscience would just not let me do it!!
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    LuluR · 1 years ago
    I wrote to my MP after I received my assessment report. She is one of a group campaigning for better disability benefits processes and investigation into assessments. 
    I felt I had to flag the blatant lies and contradictions on my assessment report. 
    Examples include - stating I am not on medication not do I have a cognitive impairment then going on to list my current medication and my diagnosis which is a neurological condition with cognitive impairment which is detailed in my medical evidence. 
    The assesor went on to state I was a sole carer for my children then that my husband helped me with my children. 
    My favorite one was when he stayed that I could take adequate nutrition because my husband had made me a sandwich the day before and that's all I had eaten despite my medication suppressing my appetite and my condition/s causing issues with disordered eating and diet..... 
    I was asked why I hadn't committed suicide, explained I had in the past and had a history of self harm some resulting in medical attention but went to to say this in the report directly after saying I had no history of mh issues, suicidal ideation or self harm. 
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    Poppi · 1 years ago
    The worst DWP excuse to deny ESA is insufficient national insurance contributions in the last two years.

    My answer was if I haven’t been able to work, then I can’t earn therefore I can’t contribute. It’s a no win scenario and so I was declined.

    I have done mandatory reconsideration and been denied and now I go to the appeal for them to decide.

    Bear in mind I was denied my claim even before I had any kind of assessment and yes I have been awarded PIP on the higher level both for mobility allowance and daily living.

    I think these civil servants need to follow their procedures better.
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      Rachel · 1 years ago
      @Belle Do you have a partner that is on sufficient income? I think that's the only way the claim can be declined so you don't have a claim in your own right - did that to a friend of mine
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      Rachel · 1 years ago
      @Poppi That's ridiculous, you should be entitled to UC regardless of whether you have worked or not - unless your partner if you have one has sufficient income with which to deny the claim? If you don't have a partner then how are you supposed to live?
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      Belle · 1 years ago
      @Poppi I was assessed as having limited capability for work, but because I hadn’t paid enough NI (as I’d had to reduce my work hours as my health gradually declined) I was not eligible for ESA.

      So, the ill-health that made me need ESA was the very thing that caused me not to be eligible for it.
      It took me a while to get over the despair that caused. 
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    Wo · 1 years ago
    Generally the DWP accessment for any type of benefit is rigged. Many times I applied.  Lies and wrong information were given to reasons why I was not eligible. Even vitual information which was difference in winning appeal went missing. This happened on two separate cliams. If the truth ever comes out about the thousands of people who never received benefits because of DWP firty tricks it would be a National Scandel. 
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      tom · 1 years ago
      @Wo It took me several attempts to get ESA SG and PIP mobility,  i even  lost several tribunals , My last PIP tribunal i was awarded  2yrs  @standard  rate mobility (10 points)  and  because it had taken nearly 2yrs  for the tribunal hearing from start of Claim ,it only left a few months before it ended, So i wrote to the tribunal to ask if they had intended this or  they wanted to give me a 2yrs period from the day of their decision,  they quickly changed it  so it ended earlier this year (slip of the pen)  I have since been awarded  E R Mobility   via a pre tribunal offer , i felty is should have got standard DL too,  but for now i'm happy with the mobility
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    Jason William Lee · 1 years ago
    When is everyone moved to Universal Credit?
    Will Labour end UC..?
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    Simon · 1 years ago
    Never ever think or believe these people are "on your side"  ..... NEVER .... back in 2013 whilst in court appealing the loss of my ESA, they claimed I applied for ESA by telephone in  45 minute telephone call !! When asked to produce the tape of said application ( which they claimed they had listened to 10 days before the court case ) they had managed to  'mis place' it !!! Apart from that, I showed it was both medically and physically impossible for this conversation to ever have taken place.

    Another tip I would like to share with folks, NEVER EVER correspond with the DWP by telephone .. NEVER. always insist on a letter, no matter how trivial the matter. And when you reply back to them, ALWAYS keep a photocopy of you reply, send it by recorded delivery and attach the receipt of postage to your reply. Good luck folks.
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    Dogsmum · 1 years ago
    I was made walk up three flights of stairs and along a very long corridor to the office right at the end for my first pip assessment. She left my three pieces of proof of who I was on her desk, as I was leaving she said remember to take those, so I put them under my arm, She lied on my report, well one of the 26 odd lies and said I folded them and put them into my pocket.Did not at all.They were already folded.Lied about my shoes as I can't wear lace ups I wear slip on or velcro shoes,saud I'd trainers on. Don't own trainers,I can't wear them. I could go on all day about the ridiculous half assed 'assessment'.
    Second pup assessment she had the power to see down the phone. That's another story. Awaiting renewal assessment. More of the same  o doubt, another tribunal  to face. 
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    Jen Knox · 1 years ago
    They sent me to an assessment centre with broken paving outside and really heavy doors 
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      Rachel · 1 years ago
      @Jen Knox .... and places with no parking anywhere close, long paths to the doors, steps .... miles away from where you live.

      People over the years been asked things like "when did you catch Cerebral Palsy", when is your leg/arm going to grow back etc etc - just awful!
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    Deborah Wenn · 1 years ago
    I have experienced assessors telling blatant lies on assessments to stop people getting the benefits they are entitled too, and it’s terrible situation that needs investigating although I’m disabled I help others with their forms and do their mandatory reconsideration and have been to court with a few if it doesn’t win on mandatory, but my own assessor told lies and I went from high rate  mobility and high rate care to enhanced mobility because I’m a wheelchair user and standard care although I had my care plan that she refused to even look at, I sent off a mandatory reconsideration and didn’t hear anything for months then when I rang I was told that they hadn’t received it and I was out of time, then in December I had to do a review and same award even though I previously got 11 points and had been fitted with a hearing aid which should have been the extra point I needed, it was totally dismissed as though it hadn’t been included so I have done another mandatory as I received my decision in June 22, this morning I have some money in my account from them but it looks like it’s only been backdated until June as it’s less than £200, so can I ask if this is correct does anyone know or should it have been backdated to December when the form went in, surely we can’t be penalised for their delays in completing the review 
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      Sal · 10 months ago
      @Rachel I do wish you luck with back dating BUT please be aware that DWP will duck out of paying what you are owed if they can  by utilising standard rules relating to time limits and refusing to use discretion to rectify their mistakes. They really are at war with disabled nowadays more than ever before sadly, but I do wish you luck nonetheless
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      Rachel · 1 years ago
      @Deborah Wenn Wow! That's not good and if you have the proof of when your claim started hopefully it is an open and shut case - do not give in and take it to Tribunal if necessary, or at the very least the Ombudsman ....
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      LuluR · 1 years ago
      @Deborah Wenn It's the dishonesty that gets me. The first thing the assessor said was I'm only concerned with the physical limitations of your illnesses, I have to decide how those effect you. I asked about the cognitive and neurological issues and he said 'i have enough information about those from your medical records and the form you filled in' he then went on to contradict himself throughout the report and ignore everything I said. 
      The Mr was a shambles too they stated they had a GP report supposedly just days after my they registered my MR. They apparently made the decision on my medical evidence which clearly outlines everything I said. 
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      Dogsmum · 1 years ago
      @Deborah Wenn Obscene amount of lies on my reports. If we were as fit as they like to make us out we would hardly be applying for pip in the first place. But the dwp prefer to disbelieve us and deny us any help.
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    k Gray · 1 years ago
    My friend has no recent history of mental health problems.

    The assessor  was told that despite being bedridden by cfs that his  mood was good.
    The DWP  asserted several times that claimant had depression. 
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    k Gray · 1 years ago
    One person I helped is in bed 20-23 hours per day. They continually asked how far he can walk when we explained he’d not been out of the house apart from 3 occasions to the dentist and doctor . 
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    Graswarb · 1 years ago
    yes, my pip assessment was a joke. I suffer from neuropathy in my feet and hands. Nothing about my illness in any forms. all questions for me on this form did not relate to me and I was refused. I am not holding out a begging bowl by appealing. Anxiety takes over. Useless service. How many other people like myself are not getting what they deserve? I would love for one so-called assessor to walk in my shoes just for 1 hour.
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    Liv · 1 years ago
    After my claim was refused, one of the reasons was that the assessor didn't hear any anxiety in my voice(telephone assessment). Well, no, probably not because I'd had to take diazepam and propanol on top of my usual meds, just to answer the phone call. And I had my support worker with me. I did get awarded after a mandatory review 
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    Coln · 1 years ago
    This was for ESA and for PIP assessment. Not had any tape recorders in assessment yet but this should help all the mistakes of what they write down. I'm glad this is happening. 
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    Coln · 1 years ago
    Entrance to the Disability centre was right at the back had go through Few doors get there. Seem to be office rooms that were empty on my way. Appointment times are always late stuck there for over 30 minutes at times on chair tho had get up to move few times yet you say this to the person it's discarded straight away. They have my number why not call and say we running 30 minutes plus late ? They get you sign are you happy how it went when you come out at the desk. You tell them about had wait over 30 minutes and was in pain but none of this was recorded in the assessment stages or the final result. 
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    AniD · 1 years ago
    The toilet at the assessment centre was down a corridor, through a heavy door, on the far side of a waiting area. Three times during my interview I had to make this laborious journey. I suffer from urinary frequency. 

    You could just see the delight in the assessor's eyes, following me like a hungry fox as I limped down there, propping myself against the wall and using my walking stick.

    The fact that I was so pained and exhausted each time I had to do the rest of the interview lying down was not noted. In fact, rather than record my bladder issues she remarked on my excellent mobility and that the shape of my legs correlated with those of someone who walks on a regular basis.  

    It must have been all those bedridden hours/days/years I spent thrashing about in pain that gave me such shapely legs!

    Of course the DWP took the word of the assessor, a mental health nurse, over that of expert neurologists in deciding to reduce my high mobility rate to zero. Next time I'm assessed, I will bring a container and just pee right there ;)  (In which case she will probably note how good I am at traveling because I came prepared) 
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    admail@aglarond.co.uk · 1 years ago
    At my last assessment the Health Professional recorded accurately what I said about bathing/showering which was "I aim for 2 showers a week' they didn't record what I and my wife said that I never managed it. When it came to the descriptor justifications I was quoted as saying "I showered twice a week". This was just one of many misrepresentations.
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    Karenjperry · 1 years ago
    I have been asked at every assessment why I have not committed suicide? Is this a genuine question. I get the feeling they don't care and just wish you would follow through. If I was going to do it I certainly wouldn't tell anyone. Can someone please tell my why they ask. 
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      Sal · 10 months ago
      @Dogsmum I'm so sorry for such vile intrusion Dogsmum, I had similar too. Assessor went on and on about abusive childhood till I was in tears, even cross examining me about self harm(something I've never even told mental health support about as I'm so ashamed of what I do) but no mention whatever of any of it in the report, quell surprise. Made it really feel like some sort of perverted voyerism tbh
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      Sam · 1 years ago
      @Dogsmum I feel your pain. ❤
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      Dogsmum · 1 years ago
      @Karenjperry Asked me too. I felt like saying should I try it now while you are on the phone? Just to let you know how I genuinely don't want yo be here and you people make it a thousand times harder for me to want to live.My childhood abuse by two men (Not family members)has no bearing on my anxiety panic attacks and depression never mind my other health conditions as far as they are concerned.I hope to god none of their children ever experience two years of being at the hands of perverts.
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      Deo · 1 years ago
      @Karenjperry I believe it’s the choice of words that was used!

      You are asked at assessments to know your protective factors: though having the suicidal ideations what’s stopped you from acting on the thoughts? Is it because of the traumatic experience of what your family might go through, would the thoughts of your Children, parents, niece, nephew, partner stop you? 

      Sometimes people express such ideations because they struggle with their mental health and need help to manage the risk,  want to feel safe possibly in a hospital environment where they can be monitored 24/7 for a period of time. 


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      Maxine · 1 years ago
      @Karenjperry I don't know why they ask it, but I was asked this at my assessment too. Given that I was already struggling with suicidal ideation and severe depression, that did not leave me in a good state. 
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