The DWP has published the results of a survey today which they claim shows that 200,000 people claiming health and disability benefits are ready for work now, if the right job or support were available.

The survey has been released to coincide with time To Talk day, which encourages people to talk about their mental health.  Its findings include:

  • 27% of customers felt they might be able to work in future but only if their health improved. Customers with mental health conditions were more likely to feel this way: 44% of customers whose main health condition was a mental health condition felt they might be able to work again if their health improved.
  • 5% - approximately 200,000 - customers felt they could work right away if the right job or support was available. Customers whose main health condition was a cognitive or neurodevelopmental impairment—including memory and concentration problems  alongside learning difficulties and disabilities, as well as autism—were around twice as likely to feel this way compared to other customers.
  • 49% of customers felt they would never be able to work or work again. 62% of these customers were over the age of 50, and 66% felt their health was likely to get worse in the future.
  • The findings indicate a link between take up of health and disability benefits and challenges in the healthcare system: two in five customers (41%) were on a waiting list for treatment for their health condition(s), and half (50%) who were out of work felt their ability to work was dependent on receiving treatment.
  • There is a potential opportunity in the rise of homeworking. A quarter (25%) of customers felt they couldn’t work, but when asked if they could work from home said they could. But customers were worried about the risk of social isolation and tended to see homeworking as a stepping stone to in-person work.
  • A key challenge is the complex relationship many customers have with DWP. Of those customers not in work who didn’t rule out work permanently, 60% were worried that DWP would make them look for unsuitable work, and 50% were worried they would not get their benefits back if they tried working.

Work and Pensions Secretary, Liz Kendall MP said:

“Today’s report shows that the broken benefits system is letting down people with mental health conditions who want to work.

“People claiming Health and Disability benefits have been classed by the system as “can’t work” and shut out of jobs and have been ignored – when they’ve been crying out for support.

“That is a serious failure. It’s bad for people, bad for businesses, which miss out on considerable talent, and bad for the economy.”

Whilst the fear of losing benefits if you try work is clearly a failing of the benefits system, the lack of suitable jobs and appropriate support within the workplace seems to have a great deal more to do with employment rights than it does with benefits.

But the main aim purpose of this survey, as far as the government is concerned, is undoubtedly to support whatever changes are proposed when the Green Paper is finally published in the Spring.

You can read more about the Work Aspirations of Health and Disability Claimants survey here.

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    · 3 days ago
    I’ve now read the report but what I got from it doesn’t seem to tie with Liz Kendall’s statement. That simply was not the main takeaway message
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    · 3 days ago
    What a load of bull
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    · 3 days ago
    Lies, damned lies, and surveys.
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    · 3 days ago
    Is this a genuine survey, or is it like the twaddle the DWP published which said claimants had told them that they were actually really grateful for being sanctioned because it had helped push them into work? Of course it then turned out that the people who had supposedly said that didn't actually exist and the DWP had made them up. 
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    · 3 days ago
    It's terrible  this survey that probably many claimants didn't know about has just come out and the government probably made up this figure by talking to jobcentres not  claimant's something smells off all people can do is makesure they take part in the green paper and that they know where to get hold of the link ect so they  get their say  this should've been for all claimants this survey isn't valid if all claimants never got given the chance to fill out survey   alot of people will be looking at it and saying they didn't get asked because they weren't told about it doesn't make sense the government want an excuse to pass the reforms their going to make bad mistakes that they wish they didn't and this will lose them more votes why does it feel like they'll try make it so that the green paper doesn't reach many people I hope all the organisations do something to makesure everyone gets to have their say .
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    · 3 days ago
    "if"  haaaa, haa, ha....  
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    · 3 days ago
    It's funny, having read that report my main take away is how terrified people are of the DWP and it's staff and how any interactions should be voluntary. There are some good ideas in there such as local pop in centers so you don't have to travel and welfare rights advisors in job centers, but at the core of it if you make any changes to the lcwra group mandatory no one will trust the DWP to actually do anything other than make you worse.
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    · 3 days ago
    Has a sort of 8 out of 10 cats prefer brand whatever look about it. But of course it’s simply intended to support and justify their proposals. For now, it’s test the water, gauge the reaction 
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    · 3 days ago
    I don't see this as altogether negative.  The opportunity to work from home for people with mental health conditions could be a very good one, if sufficient work was available and there was no pressure put on initially when starting this, (self employed work from home would need a year or two to get going.)  They did also admit only half people with mental health conditions thought they might  be able to work in future.  The survey noticed that those who felt they could never work again were over 50, so took note of how age affected ability and confidence.

    It seems positive on the whole.  Just depends how it is translated into legislation.


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      · 2 days ago
      @Maria Nelson Well said, thank you
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      · 3 days ago
      @Onyx123 And I would imagine if they say all disabled people can work from home, they are going to have to come up with job placements, or freelance placements that I talked about.  Like in the days of the US depression, they had Government sponsored work schemes. Maybe they could have Government sponsored work from home schemes for those who can type.  If they were really committed, they could do change some Government office jobs/typing to work from home.  But I doubt they are that committed or want to put that much effort into it.
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      · 3 days ago
      @Onyx123 the work from home I am thinking of, and I appreciate this is a bit of a specialised field, is for those who can type, are computer literate and have English/proofreading/editing skills.  Again, I have all of those so working from home may be a viable option for me as I cannot go out.  But then again, there is one thing working from home with no pressure.  It is another if the Government are going to insist on working a certain number of hours and earning a certain amount of money or no benefits.   That could be too much for people who already suffer with anxiety and depressive illnesses.
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      · 3 days ago
      @axab43 How will Labour progress this when they start to say all disabled people can work from home. Have you ever tried to find a work for home job. And if you find one the competition is fierce everybody wants a work from job from able bodied, to young mothers to sick and disabled people. I doubt the government will say sick and disabled people have to be given priority.
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      · 3 days ago
      @axab43 Some of us over 50 have both late diagnosed autism and likely adhd, but they may also have physical disabilities as well. The jobs offered must be of good quality and not high turn over employment where the bosses and workmates use offensive banter directed to new workers. The bullying in the community deeply damages vulnerable people. I’ve tried joining things but all they do is bully and gaslight and it makes me feel suicidal. So I avoid it out of self perseveration. I can’t work in toxic work places or places I end up doing other people’s work where they have long smoking breaks but the person who doesn’t ends up the bullying target. I can’t do manual heavy work and drs all say I shouldn’t work in phone jobs. I’m not fast enough for data input so I’m pretty much unemployable. Due to my disabilities. My back problems and OA etc do not allow me to do heavy work without fracture and cauda equina risks would not be insured for it. I’m not a good team worker either. Also I can’t remember what dates I worked when I was young and fit. I also still struggle re technology more as I age. I have done some MH courses off my own back but don’t think I’d get employed due to having meltdowns with bosses due to wrongly diagnosed autism life long. 
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    · 3 days ago
    How will Labour PR the suicides that will happen when this is used to bully people into work who can't work. I hope we don't see any suicides but on the DWP past history and how they treat disabled people.
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      · 3 days ago
      @tintack Oh God!!
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      · 3 days ago
      @Onyx123 They will do anything in their power to stop people finding out the true number of disabled peoples death due to their cruel plans...    The suicides will be massive and I can say I'd be one of them if they stopped my money or forced me into work or work activities, to which they have been told on many occasions by my psychiatrist and GP.
        But there would also be a colossal number of deaths caused by the government to people who's health they'll destroy even more.
      All the figures will never be mayed public.
       They still won't tell us the true number of deaths and suicides from their previous horrendous benefit changes.
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      · 3 days ago
      @Onyx123 Just as Gordon Brown once described figures showing the economy shrinking as "contributing negative growth", it will probably be dressed up in opaque technocratic nonsense. People driven to suicide or starving to death because their support has been wrongly cut off will be described as "suboptimal customer outcomes".
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    · 3 days ago
    I think there is an error in thinking here.  In relation to people worried they will not get their benefits back if they try work.  I don't think there are many people who would jump from LCWRA to enough hours that erode their LCWRA completely.

    The worry is working being reassessed and ending up on LCW.  Which people working limited hours can simply not survive on


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    · 3 days ago
    Perhaps start a scheme for people ready to work now to train as work coaches to help those into work in time to come

    Work coaches that understand.
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    · 3 days ago
    Why not (with very stringent rules so people can't game it) medically retire people off of UC who due to health and age will never work again.  With a reduced State Pension (until they hit 67 or whatever if it).  Save the money on reassessing these people.  Then perhaps use that to help disabled people who can do some work.
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      · 3 days ago
      @rtbcpart2 Yeah I am thinking of getting off LCWRA and kicking Liz Kendall out of a job.  I would want to earn £500 a month though make it worth my while.
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      · 3 days ago
      @Jenny Brilliant Jenny. I said when they raised State Pension age people would go off sick. Your idea for an interim period is truly innovative. Have you thought of going into politics?
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      · 3 days ago
      @Matt I kind of meant people that had been on UC for a very long time.  I for one at 53 and will never work again and parked on UC for 14 years  I have already been on benefit 15 years.
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      · 3 days ago
      @Jenny As someone who is approaching 57, partially sighted and partially deaf from birth, and knowing that age discrimination is rife in the workplace, I really don't like this idea.  It will only encourage employers to get rid of those they deem to be over the hill, too old to train, too expensive to employ, and too independent by half. Note many junior/middle managers are nowadays relatively young and do not like having to do appraisals with older staff.
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    · 3 days ago
    If there are 200,000 ready to work now.  Then do what the Tories said and let them work now without fear of a reassessment.  

    Labour are utter beeps if they don't implement the most sensible thing the Tories said.
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    · 3 days ago
    A survey that supports the governments own rhetoric? Who'd ever have thought that would happen......

    And what about people with mental health conditions who can't work? What nonsense rings will they have to jump through to be left alone?
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    · 3 days ago
    I have got what I would consider a hobby business registered with UC as self employment.  Selling craft items I have made.  It probably uses about 10 hours of my time a week.  I profit about £30 a week.

    I am LCWRA and there is this constant dark cloud following me of it being seen as work and Goodbye LCWRA rate.

    I am not well enough to turn this into a job that covers the £400 loss from LCWRA.

    However it does show I can do a very small something and there are probably a lot of people that can do a very small something.

    I am about to deregister with them and do nothing because of the constant fear I feel.  However if there was a rate of UC (slightly less than LCWRA) for people that can do a little something then I would carry on.  
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      · 3 days ago
      @Chris W That’s a shame you have to give up your small enterprise - I wish they would encourage  this - it’s a contribution towards the economy and beneficial to you.  I get the dark cloud feeling though - the stress of being reassessed is awful. 
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    · 3 days ago
    The fear they need to remove is a loss of about £400 a month for someone in LCWRA trying work.  Then along comes a reassessment and bang into LCW because you are trying some work.  This is what is holding people back.  

    As it is LCW is an insult in the fact it only pays the same standard UC.  LCW rate needs to be put up to recognize someone is capable of some work but not as capable as a healthy person.

    I have got Bipolar and LCWRA.  I could try some work when I am in an okay stage.  Along could come an assessment just before I am about to enter a bad stage.  The £400 gets taken away at exactly the point I am again incapable of any work.

    I am not risking it.
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    · 3 days ago
    They have got to preface announcements like this with the assurance that they understand that some people with MH difficulties will never be able to work and they commit to supporting us. Not all of us in this category have a diagnosis label, for many reasons not least of which is access to a psychiatrist in a system woefully oversubscribed.

    Personally I have always eschewed diagnosis. I first started have suicidal ideation when I was 8 and because I was displaying distress at school my parents were told I needed to see a psychiatrist, unfortunately this was the 70s and they were under no obligation to comply. They refused and I carried that stigma with me through to adulthood. Now I have been through 20 years of therapy I have other reasons for avoiding labels including self preservation. Severe anxiety and depression are only the surface symptoms and the only diagnoses I have ever had because they're the only psychiatric diagnoses allowed to be ascribed by a GP.

    I am so very scared that I will be swept up in all this, I feel very old and I wish I could be at peace with maybe accepting my time is up, parts of me have certainly wanted that for years. But there's a stubborn survival instinct that just won't let go and it's making me very distressed.
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      · 3 days ago
      @Matt There is not enough access to grant everyone with even severe depression to have appointments with psychiatrists to get a clinical diagnosis.   I have been told, by doctors and welfare experts, again, that it if there is enough evidence, from a variety of sources, to prove how someone's condition affects them, a clinical diagnosis will not be be necessary.  I do have contact with clinical team but a lot who are severely affected by depression do not.   So I doubt clinical diagnosis will be required as mental health teams are stretched to the limit as it is.  Requiring conditions which are at the moment diagnosed by doctors  be diagnosed formally will push even further strain on already near to bursting mental health teams.
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      · 3 days ago
      @axab43 The way I suspect we are going is back to a form of DLA. Clinical diagnosis will be required. After all, the aim is to cut the welfare bill....
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      · 3 days ago
      @Am It depends how old you are but depression and anxiety are accepted diagnoses to qualify for benefits.  Ignore those who say you will need formal diagnoses from a psychiatrist.  It is evidence of how this affects your life that will count just as much.  No-one has said yet you will need a further diagnoses from a psychiatrist apart from some comments on here. Don't be too worried until we see what actually comes out.  (I have a diagnoses of severe depression/anxiety and my doctor/experts a welfare law said evidence of how your illness impacts your life is what will be needed. 
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    · 3 days ago
    Again with these surveys that none of us actually participated in. 
     These scumbags just sink lower and lower in their depths on their mission to turn people against us.  
     I'll refrain from the actual words I'd like to use to describe these dictators.
     

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    · 3 days ago
    This equates to around 200,000 claimants.

    Well let this 50% go to work, and leave us 95% alone.
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      · 2 days ago
      @Old Mother ASD employees get exploited in US for minimum wage, soul crushing work like warehouses, dollar stores and cleaners.  It's tragic really.  Many of us have a lot to offer but nobody understanding to hold our hand or there for us to help.
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      · 3 days ago
      @BOB My father takes dizzy pills for that
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      · 3 days ago
      @Old Mother I have noticed this targeting vulnerable people with things like ASD.

      I feel this group of people probably are more likely to yes they would like to work but in reality can they really work, especially ones higher on the spectrum.

      If this is how they are coming up with figures it is a disgrace.

      Also twisting things about people working from home.  Apart from people with the skills to set up their own business on a part time basis, there are not work from home jobs readily available apart from in the Adult Industry.  It would be very easy for someone vulnerably to fall into that.

      I called my housing association the other day o book a simple repair.  I take my hat off to the guy that answered but he had a learning disability of some sort.  It took 15 mins what would of taken your average worker 2 mins to book it in. So he was working but clearly in a disadvantaged way.  Then they want to promote jobs like this as good for self esteem.  How is that good for self esteem.  Bless him I am not knocking him.
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      · 3 days ago
      @MrFibro Yea the government has to accept that their are people with long time by health issues that would not be able to work. They will try anything to make them look good. I myself suffer with severe migraines which put me in bed a couple of days every week followed by dizziness and sickness. I have tried doing voluntary work before but couldn't stand up for long without feeling dizzy.   
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      · 3 days ago
      @Chris W So agree - tax credits would be a better system to allow us to contribute what we can, instead of just trying to remove us from the system in the short term.  

      Concerned they are targeting highly vulnerable people like ASD. Can be  vulnerable to manipulation. 
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