Labour is prepared to risk a backbench revolt by allowing a vote on cuts to Personal Independence Payment (PIP), in order to be sure it can breach claimants’ human rights without worrying about legal repercussions, Benefits and Work believes. 

When the Pathways to Work Green paper was published, it contained the surprising information that the changes to PIP scores and the cuts to universal credit (UC) payments would be introduced by primary legislation – an Act of Parliament.

Surprising, because these changes would normally be done using Statutory Instruments (SIs).  This is delegated legislation that does not require a vote in Parliament, just a signature from the secretary of state.

A vote carries real risks.

Given that the Tories will undoubtedly be in favour of the cuts, the risk is not that Labour might lose the vote.

But if a sizeable number of backbenchers revolt, real damage may be done to the Labour leadership and to party cohesion. A large enough uprising might even threaten the careers of Reeves or Kendall – perhaps even be the beginning of the end for Starmer himself .

In the face of overwhelming discontent, it seems likely Labour would abandon the whole plan rather than risk a showdown.

SIs, on the other hand, are extremely difficult to get a ballot on in Parliament.  There is a process whereby MPs can “pray against” an SI and potentially vote on it.  But it is a complex and seldom successful process.  The last time an SI was overturned in this way in the Commons was almost half a century ago.

So, why give MPs and Lords a vote on a highly controversial issue when it isn’t at all necessary?

The argument that it is being done in the interests of democracy is not one that can be taken seriously.  Not when Labour have refused to consult with the public, and particularly disabled claimants, over these changes which will have such a dramatic effect on their lives.

But there is a more obvious reason.

SIs can be challenged in court, usually by judicial review, and have some of their provisions removed or the entire instrument quashed.  The Human Rights Act is often the basis of such challenges.

In truth, successful challenges are very rare.

One study found that between 2014 and 2020 there were just 14 successful challenges of delegated legislation using the Human Rights Act, in spite of thousands of SIs being enacted every year.

It’s worth noting, though, that four of those cases were in connection with regulations made under the Welfare Reform Act 2012.

The situation is very different where an Act of Parliament, rather than an SI, is involved.

In the UK, parliament is sovereign. Because an act has gone through the whole extensive democratic process of scrutiny and debate by both the Commons and the Lords, courts cannot overturn the provisions of an Act of Parliament.

The most they can do is inform the government that particular provisions of an act are in breach of, for example, the Human Rights Act or the Equality Act.

But the government does not have to do anything about the court’s findings.  It can simply shrug its shoulders and carry on regardless.

Benefits and Work suspects that the DWP have very strong grounds to fear that both the changes to the PIP points system and the cuts to the LCWRA element of UC are in breach of the Human Rights Act and/or the Equality Act.

And that, we believe, is why they are to be made law via a single Act of Parliament that the courts can’t touch.

Once again, we remind readers that In the Green paper, the DWP claim that “We are committed to putting the views and voices of disabled people and people with health conditions at the heart of everything we do.”

Disabled people’s human rights, on the other hand, can be safely ignored.

Visit our What you can do page for at least eight actions you can take right now to challenge the Green Paper.  

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    · 5 days ago
    Sadly I wrote to my local MP and he is absolutely all for it. Missed all the points I was trying to make and basically sung from Reeves playbook of why it's important people work and young people too. 
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      · 5 days ago
      @Tss91 Neither did mine. I sent two emails and absolutely no reply.
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      · 5 days ago
      @Darcy My MP didn't even bother replying to my email. 
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      · 5 days ago
      @Darcy Similar with my MP Alison McGovern 
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      · 5 days ago
      @Darcy
      This statement is so twisted, it makes me sick!
      It all follows the IDS mantra of "Work will make you free"... and we all know whto invented it!
      Thev'e decided "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it"    Straight from the Conservatives and comunist play book..

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    · 5 days ago
    Tried reading the lords talk on it was hard to understand alot but little things did jump out it seems just baroness Sherlock and a Torie lord  wants  the cuts and on one of the bits  tried to read it she was saying that they had to see if it paper passed in parliament  don't think I seen anything that they hopeful it will but could be wrong and her talk was longer than the others something fishy going on .
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    · 5 days ago
    Can we write to the secretary of each major trade union. If they could join this fight, it holds much more power and many of their members will be affected? 
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      · 5 days ago
      @Anniesmum Trade union are all for labour, just look at how labour when they first got in power last year. They caved into the unions demands just to keep them sweet.
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      · 5 days ago
      @Anniesmum Thanks I think we should ideally all be allowed to join a union and somehow have them fight for us.  At least we would be able to feed back our real views that way.
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    · 5 days ago
    The pcs union is against it and they will be there on Wednesday 26 th March in London protesting 
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    · 6 days ago
    Good news!

     The Equality and Human Right Commission is investigating Labour’s benefits cuts for potentially breaching the Equality Act.

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    · 6 days ago
    "All UK families ‘to be worse off by 2030’ as poor bear the brunt, new data warns."

    "Keir Starmer has been dealt a fresh blow to his living standards pledge in advance of the spring statement."


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    · 6 days ago
    @Neil Cook 

    "These plans were developed through engagement with disabled people and a public consultation has been launched to guide the reforms going forward"

    Well we know how genuine that is. I can't see how Labour's 'consultation' can be seen to be legal when the Conservatives' wasn't.

    "Alison McGovern, MP
    Member of Parliament for Birkenhead"

    Once.
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      · 5 days ago
      @rookie Doesn't need to be legal. Goes through primary legislation, so doesn't matter. And Starmer knows this.
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      · 5 days ago
      @rookie Personally I would put in a FOI (Freedom Of Information) request to the DWP using the reply from your MP as proof requesting a list of all the disabled people, orgonisations and charities that have been consulted to develope the plans set out in the green paper.
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      · 5 days ago
      @rookie A case of believing their own propaganda! "The emperor has no clothes on!" 
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    · 6 days ago
    I work part time and get pip will you lose your pip if you work under the new proposals Liz Kendal announced??
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      · 5 days ago
      @Ala That's it, they really don't get how one thing affects another, and heartless though they seem, I think they would care if they knew more about it because they would be afraid of what they were doing and what that said about them. The ignorance and incompetence is more dangerous than the ideology.
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      · 5 days ago
      @John They claim you won’t be called for a review sooner just because of a job. But as I’ve seen before from MODS on the forum if your job undermines your reasons for getting PIP this could be taken into consideration when you are next reviewed.
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      · 5 days ago
      @John ????  Big question!!!   I think the problem is, the MPs don't understand the benefit system, and they do not care.   
      There is so much that doesn't make sense!  
      They can only memorise few slogans.   No brain work involved.
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    · 6 days ago
    Can I ask the very simple question of how people are thinking they might cope should this all be as bad as it looks.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who will lose daily living Pip (£300) and therefore the health UC (£400) by the end of the decade.  I might be lucky and get my reassessment started a month or so before the new rules come in - according to my reckoning, I would normally get the reassessment form in the December, with new rules coming in November.  So, I might just try my luck as triggering a reassessment a month or two early.  But the threat is still there, nonetheless.   And there's also the possibility of me losing the £400 work allowance if they really go to town.   

    So how exactly do we plan for that?   It's not like we can start saving now...because we're not allowed more than £6000 in the bank before they start taking money from the UC!  My mind is rather foggy at the moment.  It's all remarkably difficult to digest.  I feel as if I'm about the wake up and realise it was just a nightmare.
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      · 3 days ago
      @SLB I have already done the maths, I calculated a £400 a month shortfall, aka poverty and homeless.  That was assuming LCWRA was to be reduced by 25%, now instead it is to be frozen so its now probably nearer £250, but still poverty and homeless.
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      · 5 days ago
      @H1ghtower I literally couldn't tighten my belt or struggle on DEFINITELY not  ! the money is not- there !   I only receive the bottom rate of pip daily  component and the bottom ESA rate wrag group , so I would lose the pip and the sdp, but that could trigger me paying more to council tax so I'd be needing to spend more than I would be receiving ! Doesn't work CAN'T work .
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      · 5 days ago
      @SLB I'm going to win the Euro lottery, is my plan.

      Will let you know how it goes. Or maybe I won't, I'll be off on a Caribbean island somewhere. Or maybe buy it.
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      · 5 days ago
      @SLB I'm not sure you can plan for such a huge loss. Saving the odd £20 here and there isn't going to last that long. The basic, what, £80 a week? May be just about survivable until something big goes wrong and you need a new fridge or electricity prices shoot up.
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      · 5 days ago
      @Neil Cook Are you able to contact Citizens Advice for help with PIP? They could help make enquiries, find out what happened, or help make a new claim.

      It's not right that you're likely missing out on a benefit you may be entitled to.
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    · 6 days ago
    This makes it even more important to contact MPs and make the pressure on them to vote against the cuts as great as possible. Yes, the Tories support the cuts so there is no way the government would lose the vote. However, if enough Labour MPs were prepared to vote against the cuts, the government might start to worry that it could only get them through on the back of Tory votes, which would be hugely politically damaging. In that case there is a genuine chance they could back off, or at least substantially water down what they're planning. The problem is this scenario requires a hell of a lot of Labour MPs to rebel, so contacting them about this, repeatedly if necessary, is essential. They need to be made more afraid of the public reaction to the cuts than they are of the government whips. Nothing concentrates an MP's mind more than the prospect of losing their seat.
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    · 6 days ago
    The first paragraph is my reply to the main email
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    · 6 days ago
    Look at the standard reply I got 


    As i thought completely ignored everything I have said, so basically potentially losing my home , possessions including the mobility scooter I need to get around and also having nowhere to go as a result doesn't seem to bother you? Once these barbaric measures get introduced (let's hope not) keep a lookout for someone who can't walk more than a few paces at a time and then you'll see the consequences of the measures you seem to be looking forward to. Acceptable losses never are.... ACCEPTABLE.

    On Friday 21 March 2025 at 13:29:44 GMT, Alison McGovern <alison.mcgovern.mp@parliament.uk> wrote:


    Dear Neil 
     
    Thank you for your email.
     
    I understand the level of feeling on this issue and the concerns that have been raised with me on this. I hope you will allow me to be clear from the outset; The Government’s plans will not result in any immediate changes to anyone’s benefits and I want to see investment in support for those who need it alongside any changes to Social Security.

    I want to see a social security system that gets decisions right the first time and focuses on what people can do, not just what they cannot. That is why I welcome the Pathways to Work plan, which includes a record £1 billion investment in tailored employment support for disabled people. This comes alongside efforts to break down barriers to work and create healthier, more inclusive workplaces. Disabled people deserve the same opportunities as anybody else. 
     
    The plan will also tackle the perverse incentives of our welfare system. It will increase the UC standard allowance above inflation for the first time, adding £775 per year by 2029. Crucially, the "Right to Try" guarantee will ensure going back to work itself will never lead to a reassessment, giving people the confidence to take on new opportunities. The broken Work Capability Assessment will be scrapped and help provided for people who want to work to access support to do so.
     
    These reforms have been designed to protect those who need support most and I welcome that those with lifelong health conditions, who may never be able to work, will no longer be faced by endless reassessments. These people will be eligible for a new Universal Credit premium, giving them the financial security they deserve. Existing claimants will also have their health top-up protected, and it is right that Personal Independence Payments will continue to rise with inflation.
     
    These plans were developed through engagement with disabled people and a public consultation has been launched to guide the reforms going forward. I urge any disabled person or representative organisation to contribute their views to this. 
     
    I am believe that these changes will enable disabled people to live with dignity, while making sure the welfare system is sustainable in the long term. This is essential, above all, for the people who depend on it.
     
    Thank you once again for contacting me about this issue and if you'd like to discuss this further, I hope you'll get in touch and we can arrange a meeting
     
    Yours sincerely,

    Alison

    Alison McGovern, MP
    Member of Parliament for Birkenhead
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      · 5 days ago
      @Neil Cook that's the same script as them all shocking 
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      · 5 days ago
      @Anon That looks familiar 
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      · 5 days ago
      @Neil Cook Well done for trying, Neil. Inspiring. I think I shall try the same with my local MP, I shall no doubt receive the same MP styled inconsequential reply, but, if nothing else, it will certainly increase the numbers of people complaining and not happy with the recent cuts. What else is there? Maybe we should do it like the farmers did!! Instead of tractors we could rally with our wheelchairs and mobility scooters!! Might make for a fun day out if nothing else, lol. 
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      · 5 days ago
      @Neil Cook At least you got a reply, I guess.  I never get one from Clive Lewis.  But a reply is a starting point.  Now time to change McGovern's mind!
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      · 5 days ago
      @Neil Cook (below) My MP took the opportunity to polispeak lobby me on all kinds of things that had nothing to do with what I wrote to him about.  I would have had more respect if he didn't reply at all or just wrote a few lines saying "message received".  Instead I got a generic, answer all, AI type copy and paste template email with a few lines added.
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    · 6 days ago
     Of Course Starmer would have known how to do this. He was a Human Rights lawyer and head of prosecution services. YES a historic Human Rights Lawyer!  He is in contravention of the Equality Act 2010 and the Human Rights Act. Therefore, of course he knew that he would have to with any chance of success was to make it law by a single act of parliament that the courts are unable to touch. Which is why he did NOT go down the statutory instrument delegated legislation route which would have been simpler but then he knew that there would be charges of contravention of human rights and the equality act. Thrown at him from everywhere.

    What sort of a man goes from being a human rights lawyer and actually being so proactive in one of the most high profile Hate Crime cases in recent British History to FIGHT for the justice in that case,  to then go on and commit disability hate crime himself to the whole of the disabled population in this country. 


    I do not think there is enough opposition for a back bench revolt. For it to make any difference. 

    Scope is STILL asking for people to sign their petition, I do NOT think that it will stop anything that is inevitable but it is still worth adding your name to the petition, LET THEM KNOW we KNOW that they are UNLAWFUL and that WE KNOW that they are in contravention of our Human Rights and the Equality Act.






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      · 5 days ago
      @DJMH15 the clue is in the "sir"
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      · 5 days ago
      @DJ “What sort of a man goes from being a human rights lawyer and actually being so proactive in one of the most high profile Hate Crime cases in recent British History to FIGHT for the justice in that case, to then go on and commit disability hate crime himself to the whole of the disabled population in this country”

      A Tory man. 
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      · 5 days ago
      @DJ "What sort of a man goes from being a human rights lawyer and actually being so proactive in one of the most high profile Hate Crime cases in recent British History to FIGHT for the justice in that case, to then go on and commit disability hate crime himself to the whole of the disabled population in this country...."

      A man out for himself.  Someone without empathy, compassion, a conscience.  Not all sociopaths are charismatic.
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    · 6 days ago
    Labour should Never ever be voted into Power again they can Never ever be trusted again and Never ever listen to the Labour Party again they are a bunch of hypocrites and liars period….
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    · 6 days ago
    I don't really buy this. As much as most of us can't trust Labour after this, there is still a number of hoops to go through, namely the Parliamentary process. Essentially, the Green Paper is a 'booklet of intended ideas' as it currently stands. This is why there's not been much internal backlash from the Labour MP's who have already voiced their concerns. The process over the coming months involves debates, amendments, Lords stages (most likely with a lot of back-and-forthing there given the divisive nature of the reforms), and of course court judgements and international court judgements. Bare in mind, too, that Starmer is a former human-rights lawyer, so if all else fails, his entire reputation and legacy could be put into question if his party breaks human rights laws, potentially triggering a leadership contest.

    Basically, there are a lot of if's and but's and obstacles for these reforms to face. I wish BenefitsAndWork would be a bit more objective and highlight this. It's all doom and gloom and while it is worrying, it isn't helping those of us who have mental health issues that are exacerbated by nothing but bad news and no silver lining. There is silver lining and hope there, with no guarantees either way.
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      · 3 days ago
      @Tom J
      The reality is this Tom.

      Labour have a huge majority.
      It has cross party support.
      The entire process is going to happen in this parliament period, by July 31.

      In short this means it is not going to take years, The Tories will vote for it as well as most of Labour, it will be Law by July 31 and the courts wont be able to over turn it after then.

      Governments have shown time and time again they are prepared to break the law, he wont care one bit.  Blair even did an illegal invasion, and nothing happened to him.
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      · 5 days ago
      @Tom J Yes TJ there are certain loopholes lets all of us hope that one can be found that Starmer and Co..., has NOT preempted and already made sure that he has countered it from the outset as with the current situation of debate. YES there is a chance that amendments can be made to the green paper and then along the process when passed from House of Commons to House of Lords and then back to House of Commons for it to then be made Law, As it is UNLAWFUL what they are doing. The Lords will know this. The Lords do have the right to be persuasive and say go back and amend this and amend that but the House of Lords already KNOW that the proposals have been UNLAWFUL.

      We are ALL in an extreme state of despair NOT sleeping and having to take meds, in constant pain and housebound. I do NOT think that it is any ones intention to throw in the towel. However, when it is pointed out that the steps he has taken to get this passed at least we know that we are NOT going to be able to fight down that route. Mental health exacerbated by a life long physical health condition, that will just continue to degenerate. I WILL Never improve. I ALSO know that despite the FACT that they state they WILL protect those in this category. I KNOW that down this long road subsequent to delving into their proposals further IF ALL that they are intending to do IT WILL have a devastating impact.

      WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER!

      If in receipt of care then let the social worker know that the ramifications of this means that the local councils are going to have to foot the bill. (The social workers do already KNOW.) However, to put it in writing to them  that local councils will now have to  pay for ALL of our care as we will NOT have the means to pay the contributions that we have to pay towards our care. The Council's up and down the country are NOT going to be happy about this. Indeed, I KNOW that social workers are having to look to see how many of us are going to be affected. Therefore, the MP for my area will KNOW that there is going to be backlash fired at him from all sides but he will now also realize that although we are disabled chronically unwell that we KNOW that what they have done is UNLAWFUL but we are NOT going to be able to challenge it with judicial review. 

      Therefore, I apologize if it was my post that caused you to feel distress by pointing out that he was a historic Human Rights Lawyer and for pointing out that he is going to know the loopholes. At least now by me reminding everyone of the FACT that he was a Human Rights Lawyer that gives us ALL 2 things to be aware of  ( 1)  The legacy of his career could now be in shreds (2)  We KNOW that we are NOT going to be able to rely on any type of Judicial Review over this with the route he has gone down. 

      EVEN though Starmer and co,  are in contravention of every ill and disabled person human rights

      I joined this Forum to be able to be informed knowing that I am going to hear things that I do NOT want to hear but when it is FACTS that we are hearing then that gives the knowledge to be able to NOT waste our time any longer by thinking we have legal remedies that they have already ensured we are NOT going to be able to action. As he had it covered, from the outset. Then it has now got to be challenged from a different perspective.

      Take Care

      DJ


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    · 6 days ago
    I suppose the only remaining hope for pip then is for every one of us who does not get the necessary 4 points plus at least another 4, takes our challenge all the way to upper tribunal and beyond and causes as much chaos as we can. This in addition to writing to our mps and explaining the knock on effects of not getting a daily living award:

    - no esa support group severe disability premium transitional protection when migrated to uc
    - no uc health element
    - likelihood of dropping out of work without aids and assistance
    - no disability allowance in pension credit, so, for some, loss altogether of pension credit and therefore of automatic qualification for full housing benefit as well as loss of winter fuel allowance and potential permanent loss of post state pension age pip entitlement (because if you applied for attendance allowance to replace pip daily living you would lose any pip mobility allowance and therefore motability car entitlement)

    Please add any losses I've missed
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      · 3 days ago
      @slb Yep its mentioned as a possibility as well as a lower rate daily living also a possibility.  The latter is probably better as TP will likely only be for a few years.  This is actually what is in the consultation.
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      · 5 days ago
      @Frances Our biggest hope at the moment is for transitional protection for those who lose PIP. There is vague mention of it being a possibility in the green paper.
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    · 6 days ago
    Don’t throw in the towel. It’s upto everybody to do all they can in order to make them change course. It’s not over yet by any means. 
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    · 6 days ago
    And so it begins.  The Telegraph newspaper states that "Labour’s proposed benefit cuts will be investigated by a human rights watchdog for potentially breaking equality law..."  Sadly I can't read any more of the article as it's behind a paywall, but it's a start, folks.  It's a start!
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      · 5 days ago
      @SLB Yes SLB it is a start I am confident that Human Rights watchdog will be stating the proposals are at the very least in contravention of the Equality Act. It is UNLAWFUL. Whether they can, actually on the proposals act at this stage or NOT I am UNSURE about as it is only at green paper stage. Then if there are legal ramifications that can be actioned if it has been consulted on at 1st house of commons, then house of Lords then back to house of commons to become Law then Starmer, Kendall and co., could face legal ramifications. However, to have the Law over turned at that stage would be virtually impossible.

      However, I DO feel that perhaps WE all should be also looking at if there is any action per se that we can action now for the Harm alarm and distress caused for the way in which the green paper was NOT only announced but in the lies that they stated that they had consulted with disabled people on this and charitable organizations to my knowledge it was only the main disability charities that they consulted that we are familiar with. There has been NO local consultations in each of the counties we all live to my knowledge, that has been going round.

      Therefore Activist Groups will now be challenging ALL that has been ensuing. Both by omission and positive acts.
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    · 6 days ago
    They can't ignore nothing if human rights watch dog get involved and it looks like they are already or are getting  involved if they say that it's not right and do something lawful to challenge  no way will labour get away with it  there's loads of people waiting to take action aswell no matter what  the government does there will be away to get it sorted no government in history got away with it and activists have won before and they will now.
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      · 5 days ago
      @Lill Lets hope so Lill, any semblance of a civilised society hangs in the balance.

      Hopefully the general population, including DM and Telegraph readers will wake up and realise the issue affects them, or someone they know.  If not now, then in the future.

      If only because they awaken to the fact that sickness benefits are becoming stealthily means tested as JSA and ESA contribution are merged and become time limited for everyone.

      I do think that this is part of the Green Paper that is falling under the radar.  It is naturally overshadowed by the plight of those worse off, those without at least some savings to fall back on.  However, it is also a turning point in the history of the welfare state...the next step on from removing the Winter Fuel Allowance...and it points in one direction.  That being the means testing of the state pension.  The fact is that if the DM readers and Telegraph readers could read between the lines and understand this, that they are next in line, then they might be less vitriolic.

      That said, when they do come for their state pensions, it goes without saying that they will be pointing the finger of blame at us as they do so.  

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    · 6 days ago
    As ive said on here on numerous occasions, people are relying on the courts to overturn these changes. They can't, so they won't. They will come into affect, that is a fact. People need to come to that realisation. 
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      · 4 days ago
      @Michael You CANNOT know that yet 
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      · 5 days ago
      @Scorpion No I do NOT expect you or anyone else to send flowers to Downing Street, lets HOPE that they can have the power to declare it incompatible with human rights before it goes any further. Before it becomes Law. It is UNLAWFUL what they are doing. 
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      · 5 days ago
      @Scorpion Not if we are taken out of ECHR and the Equality and Human Rights Acts are repealed or 'watered down'...watch this space.
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      · 5 days ago
      @SLB Labours policy to stay in the ECHR?  Labour backbenchers are already calling to leave, as well as calling for the abolition of the Equalities Act.  This government has no policies, it's a Trojan Horse party.  The Green Paper is ENTIRELY lifted from the latest Reform manifesto.  Word for word. They are disrupters, working hand in hand with Reform and Tories.  It is a One Party state. And what a fricking state it's in.
      Sorry for bombast.  
      Just a few short months ago, KS looked so earnest as he assured the pensioners, the Waspi, the farmers, the disabled...and we all saw how good he is at it when he handed the King's letter to DT.  Well good folks of the country...it's what he did to us!  
      The mask is off.
      He uses reverse psychology, and, being entirely without principles or morals, he appears to project these deficits outward...gaslighting us all.

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      · 6 days ago
      @Michael That is the case with regards to changing PIP eligiibility and scrapping the WCA.  BUT elements that aren't directly parts of those laws (in other words, the things we can comment on in the consultation) could be overturned as they won't be primary legislation.  The govt can also be advised by the courts that they are in breach of human rights or equality laws.  Do they have to alter things if that happens?  No.  But it would be a pretty bad look if they didn't considering Labour's policy to stay within the ECHC.   What we have to do - and the charities etc - is to make as much difference as we can.  There is a possibility of amendments to the new legislation when it goes through the commons and the Lords, and we could influence that if enough (or the right) people listened. 

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