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Was it worth it?

What a total loads of balls from this appalling Govt, just adding yet more stress to people already on the breadline and forced through hoops to claim benefits they are ENTITLED to, I mean no one claiming has set the rules and the amounts etc, its the GOVT!

New Labour are absolutely unbelievable.

'According to reports in the Guardian and the BBC, cuts to PIP and the LCWRA element of universal credit (UC) will not apply to current claimants.' 

What is not clear to me is whether current PIP recipients will or will not be subjected to the 4 points rule when they are being reassessed (unless they have been given an indefinite lifetime award) which tends to happen every 18 months or so (on average). The creation of a 2 tier system does not seem to bother so many of the so-called rebels if they are prepared to vote in favour of this bill.
It is a total shambles, a car crash of a bill, with the big ideological pawprints of Kendall and McGovern who were also very supportive of the Tories's Green Paper last year before the GE and whose language has always been hostile. It's incompetent, lazy and cynical.

Why are they saying it will only affect new claimants. No mention of the fact that at renewal is also classed as a new claimant. I've read an article where one lady had to appeal to tribunal under the current system she went to say she won she also thinks because she is in the system future claims will be under the current system but she won't. People are very much being mislead and not fully understanding. My pip currently is the high rate for both but no 4 points in anyone area. I'm absolutely petrified because my last claim contributied to me having a serious mental breakdown and as a result I've now also got a rare neurological condition. But my next claim is Feb 2027. Missed this deadline by 8 weeks or so. I am absolutely worried sick this will make me seriously ill again. The very thought of it. If I lose this I will lose my new style esa too and I will have no income. And fear I will lose my home. They should be ashamed of themselves for doing this to disabled sick people. And not creating a 2 tiered system at all. It should be the same rules for one as it is for the other. They are making it look good but hiding the whole truth to people and people are thinking it's about new claimants only? And that should never be either who can help it if they become incapacitated and when. So when people are breathing a sigh or relief and they have a 10 year award then that's good for those people. But what about the ones like me that are heading right of the beginning of this lot. Its not fair. I suppose I will need to appeal along with thousands of others. But I can't deal with that kind of stress. I fact I can't deal with any form of anxiety without it having huge implications on my physical conditions which have left me crippled.! And crippled up with pain. Something needs to changed. Before people end up suicidal. I've been there and does not bare thinking about should I ever end up taking that path again. 

What will happen to claimants wait for a tribunal date 

So basically there are no massive concessions, they are just postponing it for current  claimants until reassessment. When they will reduce what you get to the new pay if you qualify at all, appeasing tge idiots in the party by saying they will tweak it. There are so many issues with the new bill. What happens to the ones who dont qualify under the new system and genuinely  need the support. No carer no money. They die! What happens to the children going from dla to pip who genuinely can't  be left alone and need full time care? If they are classed as a new claimant they will not qualify for any help

But what about current PIP claimants whose reassessments fall post 2026 & those on legacy benefits whose migration to UC LCWRA also falls post that date? The rules in place at the time of assessments, not original date of claim, usually apply to such reassessments.  Kendall didn’t mention those circumstances.

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What will happen to current PIP claimants when they are reassessed?  Will they be assessed on the new or old system? 

I feel there’s a trap, when existing PIP claimers are re-assessed later after Nov 26, they could stall some of those re-assessments so they will come under the new pip reassessment. Sir Timms is reviewing the PIP assessment. If this is changed it could let current pip claimers fall into the new assessment criteria, NOT the 4 pointer rule, but the one he is working on now which he is working on with disabled people and charities.  They will no doubt make re-assessments harder! Especially for people like me with low point scores in many sections. As I have many illnesses that are all going to deteriorate. 

Sorry for commenting twice, but i think it is very important to note that the 3 billion saved by cutting PIP could be taken by other less cruel means. A 0.3% wealth tax would also bring in around 3 billion.

Reassessments are for existing claims only. My understanding is that the qualifying criteria remains the same for those applicants unless they lose the award and it is not reinstated at the mandatory reconsideration, or tribunal stage.
So you are only a new claimant if you lose at the tribunal stage. If you get PIP before November 26 you will always be under old rules until your circumstances change enough that you lose it entirely.

Of course the snakes who tried to push this cruel change through will have to be monitored closely as they could be underhanded in their wording and meaning.

Corbyn.. "The government has announced a two-tier benefits system.
Under its plans, you can keep your benefits if you are disabled now, but not if you become disabled tomorrow." 

I've recently had my migration letter from ESA to PIP, does anyone know if you still get the transitional protection & would this be treated as a new claim & not eligible? Its all so confusing & worrying. 

What about those who have recently lost awards

The thing that confuses me is if you have a review, are you classed as a new claimant? Or will you remain in the 2 point system? My next review is in 2027, and was given a 4 year term this time, so will I be classed as a 'current claimant'?

What about if your due a review after a November 26  is it the 4 point rule

As I understand it Existing Claimants are to be reviewed under Current Rules. Meanwhile even after Nov 2026 their Awards will Not be subject to the 4point rule.?