Many commentors on the Benefits and Work website have expressed confusion about where a series of government concessions since Friday, culminating in yesterdays final hour climbdown, leave them.  We’re not surprised.  As one Labour MP said in the debate “I popped out for a banana earlier on and, when I came back in, things had changed again. “

We’ve done our best to explain how matters currently stand with Labour’s welfare reform shambles.

Pip 4-point rule

Last week the government announced that current claimants would be protected from the PIP 4-point rule in the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill.  Instead, it would only affect new claimants from November 2026.

But in virtually the final hour of the debate last night, Timms told the Commons:

"I can announce that we are going to remove the clause five from the bill at committee, that we will move straight to the wider review, sometimes referred to as the Timms review, and only make changes to PIP eligibility, activities and descriptors following that review."

Clause 5 is the 4-point rule.

What this means is that the 4-point rule is being removed entirely from the bill.  It will not apply to any claimants at all, at any time.  There is no PIP 4-point rule for anyone.  

Instead, any changes to PIP will be decided by the Timms review. 

 Universal credit

New universal credit (UC) health element claimants from April 2026 will still see their UC health element almost halved and frozen.

Existing UC LCWRA claimants were already protected in the bill  from the cut to the UC health element and in a further concession they are to be protected from the freeze.

Severe conditions criteria

There have been no changes to the extremely hard to meet severe conditions criteria as a result of last night’s debate.

Everything else

The bill only covers those three issues.  Every other proposal, such as the abolition of the WCA, the proposal to amalgamate contributory ESA and JSA into a single time limited contributory benefit  and not paying 18-21 year old PIP recipients the health element of UC is not affected by last night’s vote.  They will all require separate legislation of their own.

Timms review

The Timms review was not due to report until after the 4-point rule had already started.  Now, any changes to PIP will have to wait until after the Timms review makes its recommendations.

In theory, the review could recommend bringing in the 4-point rule.  In practice that would be extraordinarily politically damaging and also unnecessary.  There are many more ways that Labour can cut eligibility to PIP without using that particular device, which was adopted mainly because it was quick and easy to implement.

The review is very wide ranging and is likely to make considerable changes to the PIP assessment, not least as the new single assessment is intended to be the gateway to the UC health element, if the WCA is scrapped. So the points system may look very different by the time Timms reports.

The review is supposed to be coproduced with disabled people.  But what that means in practice we have yet to see.  Green Paper consultations have been an insulting farce and we know the government is keen to halt the rising cost of PIP. 

We also know that Timms is a zealot when it comes to the idea that cutting people’s benefits will make them more likely to find work.

Plus, the secretary of state, currently Liz Kendall, gets to make the final decision on what changes are brought before parliament after the review reports.

So there are still difficult times ahead.

Was there anything positive about last night’s result?

This depends on your point of view. 

The government got their bill through its first vote and that is undoubtedly a bad thing. 

New disabled claimants of UC from April 2026 will be hit very hard by the cut and freeze to the health element.

And the Timms review could still attempt to impose severe cuts on PIP.

But, disabled people and disability groups took on a government with a majority of 165 and an utter contempt for disabled claimants.  They were forced to fight against a bill that was only published on 18 June and is being rushed through parliament at breakneck speed to try to prevent opposition.

And yet, with everything in their favour, the government have been forced into a series of humiliating concessions.  The centrepiece of the bill, the PIP 4-point rule is gone and with it, almost all the £5 billion in savings that Labour planned to make on the backs of disabled claimants.

In fact, there have been so many changes to the bill that even the name is wrong now – it has nothing to do with personal independence payment anymore.  

So yes, in our view there are some very positive things about last night.  But, unfortunately, that doesn’t mean the fight doesn’t go on and on . . . starting with the third reading of the bill on 9 July.

Correction:  we referred to a government amendment in a previous update, this was in fact an amendment from Steve Darling, Liberal Democrat MP.  Thanks to John for pointing this out. 

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    · 8 hours ago
    Claiming PIP in the future after Nov 2026 will be even more challenging. Semantics and hair splitting will become order of the day to grind anyone legitimate out. If the parliamentary cabinet wont even listen to its own MP’s what real hope do disabled people have in shaping future reform policy. I find Kendall nothing short of revolting, her forlorn facial expressions in photos, I found seriously offensive. Irrespective of any progress to be made with PIP reform if this government only lasts one term, its likely Reform will gain power, if they do, they promise even greater welfare cuts than Kendall, Reeves and Starma meaning any real progression for disabled people will be very short lived.
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    · 9 hours ago
    Call me cynical, but I sense PIP reviews were suddenly taking a lot longer to get decisions. I think it was because they were trying to hang out decisions until the new legislation. Hopefully, things might speed up again now. It could of course be that the DWP are an increasing omni-shambles and that's what's causing the delays I guess so incompetence, rather than malicious intent if I'm being generous.
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    · 10 hours ago
    We need to keep this momentum going. When are they planning on bringing these other bills? Is there any proposed dates yet? 

    I'm particularly interested in the esa - limited sickness benefits. All of these cuts make me so angry, the vast majority if people who are too sick to work need to be supported not thrown on the scrap heap. 

    Genuine question- if your not entitled to means tested benefits and you use your 6months ir 12months sickness benefit which ever might be decided/ proposed. What happens then? ( maybe this is were the assisted dying bill kicks in.....) 

    The UK is in a dire state!
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    · 10 hours ago
    Just to think I voted for these bunch of clowns, makes me want to rip my own head off. I will never forgive myself. lucky for me I'm not religious, because there would be no place in heaven for me. Doesn't matter though anyway because life is hell every day. On a bright note......... Yeh nothing 
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    · 10 hours ago
    Two tier Keir and fake tears Reeve's. Get them out. In the bin!
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    · 10 hours ago
    Whatever Rachel thieves was crying about, I couldn't give less of a poo. She has caused so many people suffering, stress and sleepless nights. What about our tears? I didn't actually see any tears come out of her eyes, did I miss it? Yeah she looked upset and rough, that's how I  look most days, so what. Boo hoo. No sympathy from me, nice try it doesn't wash with me luv.
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      · 9 hours ago
      @Cuckoo21 Oh and then I heard it was a row with the speaker who set her off.

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      · 9 hours ago
      @Cuckoo21 Wasn't crying about us that's for sure. I've heard several rumours as to why she was crying. Not less she's days left before she's binned. But I cant see that happening,also her and Starmer had "words" earlier in the day. All Hearsay i  guess.
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    · 11 hours ago
    There used to be 3 levels on the old DLA  payment system, low, medium and high for the daily living component. Then that all got changed to low and high, no middle payment so I suspect those that may have been on the middle but couldn't qualify for the high rate were downgraded to the low rate...SO....I'm wondering if they wont try that trick with the PIP ...in that if you don't meet a certain criteria on the low level of daily living, will they try and get people off pip low level thereby saving their millions in the process?
    Let's face it, they won't make savings any other way..

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    · 11 hours ago
    Too late and not enough. Labours welfare bill is still a threat to us all. Starmer and his cronies have been severely embarrassed by their forced climb down.
    The threat of labour Mps not backing the Bill has been to St extremely damaging to Starmers authority. Reeves obvious upset is only because she will probably be moved from her job and good riddance to her. She will still however keep her massive wage and expenses she will have income for food,bills and a home to live in. Yet she cries after pushing welfare changes to save money off people who have very little except a daily struggle with chronic ill health,social bias viewing us as scroungers and fraudsters and a constant struggle to keep our homes and basics like food and heat. She chose to attack the very weakest in society to save money so they could claim to be harder than the Tories on the poor. But no mention of chasing Billions hoarded by the super rich and cooperations.
    Personally my Mp has shown her stripes by voting for the bill. I thought she would but I will be letting her know she will never get my vote or recommendation. 
    Everyone needs to find out how their Mp voted and if they voted for tell them you will remember and never vote for them again. Only the pressure of public opinion and terror of losing their massive wage and lucrative job has pushed the changes back.
    They have not changed their minds because they care about our welfare our us. 
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    · 11 hours ago
    My MP Ed Milliband couldn't be bothered to reply to my letter in which I told him a very vulnerable friend of mine was so terrified they were thinking about the other Bill his Party voted for recently. That meant they wouldn't be here. He still voted for this travesty. I don't trust Timms or anything he's involved in. The fight is not over. Thank you to everyone for standing up to this dreadful Government.
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    · 12 hours ago
    Timms and Kendal are just like Burke and Hare, except they're trying to put vulnerable people in their graves. Timms is a bigot an HATES disabled people. My MP, Ian Byrne, voted against it all and has kept constituents up to date all during the process.
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      · 9 hours ago
      @Anne M Thankfull that Mr Byrne, Kim Johnson & Paula Barker stood up against this and had the moral decency to do so. Not same can be said for my MP Maria Eagle or of  Dan Carden. At least we have 3 decent MPs in Liverpool
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    · 12 hours ago
    I would like to see some of the many disabled organisations also involved in the Timms Review.

     I’m very glad that disabled people will be included but many will not be simply because they are not well enough. We’ve already been ignore and/or shut out of so called involvement with the Green Paper.

    I would like charities like Scope, Carers UK, MS Society and so many others to have a say in this and be very involved.

    I would like the Timms Review to be open and transparent, especially to everyone who cannot be at the table.

    Timms is doubtless getting paid big bucks to do a job that has become a poisoned chalice. 

    He should earn it.
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      · 8 hours ago
      @Moose MIND in particular and the various ASD/ADHD groups should all be involved, given that all the right-wing parties (which includes 'Labour') have now openly stated their cynical bias against mental illness and neurodivergence.

      But I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
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    · 12 hours ago
    For the first time in 35 years I have had to apply for PIP after a recent diagnosis from the hospital, it was rejected and zero points, I did a mandatory reconsideration and included unarguable medical evidence, I have carers coming in to my house 7 days a week and can barely walk more than a few steps, I’m on oxygen, steroid inhaler and anti depressants, I feel like a burden. I still got zero points after the MR 😤 
    It’s now going to tribunal. 
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      · 8 hours ago
      @RB Going to tribunal increases your chance of an award massively. The figures confirm it. Hang on in there. Although it's unnecessary and stressful, this is what the DWP rely on, people not being able to cope  or understand the process of a tribunal. And it just costs more money. It's ridiculous. It's designed to deter people. Many people get the decision overturned in their favour at tribunal. I'm sorry you are having to go through this unnecessary nonsense but stay strong. All the best.
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      · 9 hours ago
      @RB We all understand.  There are so many good decent folk on this forum. So we get it. Don't give up. X
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      · 9 hours ago
      @RB You are NOT a burden,remember that. None of us are,no matter how low we get. You are Valid and don't have to justify your existence to anyone on here. X
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      · 10 hours ago
      @RB Sorry to hear this. Don’t give up.
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      · 10 hours ago
      @RB Try not to worry. I have had a 0 points decision at a review of PIP and at the Mandatory Reconsideration. I decided to take it to Tribunal and as I expected my PIP was FULLY reinstated before going to the Tribunal. 
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    · 12 hours ago
    A Conservative MP and an other panellist were attacking PIP claimants on Politics Live today (2 July). The panellist said that some people get PIP for acne and some families get £40k a year in disability and other benefits. They both referred to the growing number of people claiming PIP on mental health grounds. They also dismissed mental health as if these conditions 

    The BBC programme then showed a radio 5 clip, in which a caller said his son has a deformed hand but doesn't want or need PIP. He claimed his son is an accountant, with a son used PIP on shares and stocks! 
    This is why people need to keep fighting and contacting their MPs. 
    We need to stay strong and fight any future unfair and ideological cuts. 
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      · 8 hours ago
      @Antony
      "The BBC programme then showed a radio 5 clip, in which a caller said his son has a deformed hand but doesn't want or need PIP. He claimed his son is an accountant, with a son used PIP on shares and stocks!"

      That could have come straight from the Daily Mail. Even by the BBC's miserably degraded standards it was truly awful stuff. Highlighting something so exceptional and unrepresentative while ignoring the far larger number of people who are wrongly turned down and have to go to tribunal to get the support they need is pathetic and a sad indictment of how low journalistic standards have now fallen at the BBC. 
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    · 13 hours ago
    Timms is a disgrace,  He is supposed to be on our side. Instead he is spiteful individual.  My mp voted for the cuts,  he's labour as well. Only cares about his career. Kendell ,reeves and Timms should go. All the front bench really. 
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    · 13 hours ago
    At this stage in their lives, government ministers should know the difference between correlation and causation (Timms). Geez! And these people are entrusted with running a country 🙄
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    · 13 hours ago
    I have written to my MP who is  Mr Bayo Alaba Who completely ignored my email. There was not even an acknowledgement of receipt. So what do you do when your MP does not respond to his constituents. He did of course, it now transpires, vote for this appalling bill. No surprise there. 
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      · 11 hours ago
      @Alison Gray My MP sent a reply stating he was against the changes to pip yet after the vote it showed a list of who said yes who said no and as for my MP being against it he voted for it to go ahead. 
      That is absolutely disgusting and just shows how corrupt the government is.
      I will wait to see the response I get after telling him he’s as bad as the rest of them, blatantly stating he didn’t agree with any of the planned changes to voting for them, I’m disgusted. 
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    · 13 hours ago
    Liz Kendall got heckled by my MP mid interview while walking past. Shame the mic didn't hear it better. 

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      · 11 hours ago
      @Dee @Dee Good for Sorcha Eastwood. 👍
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    · 13 hours ago
    Protecting existing claimants while cutting benefits for new claimants is exactly the opposite of encouraging disabled people into work, which they claim is the purpose of the cuts.

    Many future claimants are still children or don't yet know they will become disabled. If you can fight the cuts, don't be placated by protections for existing claimants.
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      · 11 hours ago
      @Sarah Quite so. Anyone is potentially a future claimant.
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    · 13 hours ago
    Thanks B&W team.
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    · 14 hours ago
    It is clear that we do not have a cohesive labour party who are able to find a solution out of this mess. I am scared that we have completely lost control of our borders, we have a labour government who unable to function and a prime minister planning for war. I have mental and physical disabilities but do my very best to live as independantly as i can. I am scared because this government fought each other over a bill that should never have been brought to the house. Without those brave voices standing up for us, where would we be now. I know i would have lost my independance and would have been looking at an assisted living accomodation. I could not have coped with that and my alternative would have been suicide, thats how scared i was before the vote.
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      · 8 hours ago
      @Steffi Though it seems that Labour leadership has lurched to the right, it should be noted that under a Conservatives or Reform government  were in power, a Disability Bill such as this one or worse would have passed without concessions.   Restrictions on PIP eligibility seem inevitable a few years in future but hopefully the severity of the cuts will be lessened yet again by opposition from Labour MPs upholding the traditional values of the party.

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