How do you think Labour will treat disabled claimants if, as seems increasingly likely, they form the next government?  Will they be better or worse than the Conservatives?

Last week’s Labour party manifesto left our readers divided on what the future might be like for disabled claimants under Labour.  The document made few references to benefits and gave no clues as to what its attitude would be to major issues such as ESA to UC migration, proposed Green paper changes to PIP or how exactly the WCA might be reformed.

Many readers felt that Labour was just being cautious, because any hint of being soft on claimants would be jumped on by the right-wing press.

Others thought that Labour were saying little because they do not have anything positive to say to disability benefits claimants.  Some think there is little difference between the two parties and some commentors even believe that Labour would be worse news for claimants than the Conservatives.

Certainly, the manifesto could have offered some hope to, for example Carer’s Allowance claimants. A change to the current cliff edge earnings limit would not have major cost implications.

And, to ensure claimant safety, Labour could have offered to look again at the very tight ESA to UC migration deadline imposed on the DWP by the Conservatives.  Delaying the transfer would not cost anything, given that it was previously delayed to 2028 to save money.

Labour could also have stated in the manifesto that they would look at the Green paper proposals for PIP, but that it was unlikely that a voucher system or a catalogue would play any part in any future plans.  Again, this would not have had cost implications.

None of these undertakings would have offered much in the way of ammunition to the right wing press, but all of them would have reassured claimants that Labour would give them some respite from the current relentless attacks.

On the other hand, no part of Labour’s plans include cutting benefits in order to raise cash for other purposes, such as tax cuts.

And, whilst they have said they will replace or reform the WCA, they have not suggested that they will reform PIP.

So, if benefits will play a major part in deciding who you will vote for, readers will have to make an educated guess as to what Labour might do based on minimal information.

Knowing what other claimants are thinking may be helpful in reaching a decision.

So, please take part in our poll to tell us whether you think life would be easier, harder or much the same under Labour rather than the Conservatives and, if you wish, give your reasons in the comments section below.

You can only vote once and we’ll publish the results on Monday 1 July.

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    · 5 months ago
    Labour will have very early chances to signify their position on disability and welfare from the 2 following events:

    - though the dwp has announced they want to bring forward the uc migration groups of esa & esa+hb legacies and complete 600-800k notices in 12 months, that timetable doesn’t look like it will be officially confirmed till after the GE……………….meaning labour (if they get into power) will most likely have the opportunity to pause rollout (to solve the multiple issues) or lengthen the timetable (to a dec 2026 or longer completion date) or even go back to the ‘original’ timetable of 2028-29…………………….labour signing off on dwp plans as is would speak volumes of where they view disabled

    - the pip consultation ends at the end of July after the gr. labour would have the opportunity to look through responses and draw conclusions (and decide if and how it could reshape pip going forward)…….the tories published their findings of the previous wca consultation about 2 months after that consultation had ended……………….therefore the pip consultation findings and response documents could very possibly be published later this year in oct/nov………………this doc could be hugely revealing in how labour intend to go forward with sickness & disability welfare payments


    I personally think with the recent language used by labour (designed to scare), the change in attitude towards disability labours top tier seemed to have ordered the past 12 months (the appointment of Kendall, that shadow ministers like foxcroft have gone to very vocally supportive to quiet & restrained………..as if silenced/change in labour policy) and shadow ministers having as poor an upstanding of pip as their Tory counterparts……….

    ……………I’m honestly expecting red tories 


    But will be happy to be proven wrong!
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    · 5 months ago
    When a labour man came and knocked on my door and gave me a leaflet I asked him straight up are labour going to cut disabled benefits pip he said oh no we are not going to do that

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    · 5 months ago
    It's a shame we don't have PR because the lib dems and greens have far fairer policies for the disabled, but I will vote tactically for Labour. I think they will be focused on WCA, they have already promised more MH workers to get people back to work. Just whom they will be, and whether it will be in the form of carrot or stick, I don't know, and I suspect they don't either. I do believe that timely treatment will quite probably keep people in work, but look at waiting lists and that will take serious investment
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      · 5 months ago
      @Jane In a sense we have the Lib Dems to thank for that, not having PR I mean. They campaigned in 2010 on the basis of a vote on PR, and they climbed into bed with the Tories in coalition on the same basis. The Tories watered the option down to AV which was a very poor alternative, and the Libs went along with that. Subsequently there was no support for AV so the status quo remained. Now I am not saying the public would have voted PR if they were given that choice, but it was a given they wouldn't bother with AV and the Tories knew that and the Libs should have stood their ground to have a referendum on the actual voting version they had promised!
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    · 5 months ago
    It's hard to tell. I think Labour will be less harsh, but only in the sense that the Tories are on the "Dickensian villain - Adolf Hitler" scale of evil, and Labour are so lacking in moral fibre that they're willing to cosplay Toryism (right down to eugenicist statements in favour of assisted dying) if it'll get them votes. Labour are fundamentally ableist - or else their job if/when they get in will to prove otherwise to our community.

    They kicked off Welfare Reform in the first place, and the one time in recent years that they've had a leader who openly and passionately supported the right of disabled people to live in dignity, they didn't just get rid of him (I acknowledge that there atre legitimate reasons to criticise Corbyn), they viciously purged their party's left flank and made an unseemly dive away from any policy he'd ever endorsed, regardless of what it meant to their base.

    As you've said, there are numerous minor statements of policy, hints even, that would send us reassuring signals, but they've chosen not to make them. We also have to consider the context of their refusal to support ratifying the UN CRDP. I have never felt in the past few years that they respect us. We're going to have to spend the next few years protesting creatively to drive them anywhere left of Ian Duncan Smith.
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    · 5 months ago
    I would be very surprised if a Labour Government were as so heartless towards Disabled people as the present rightwing government!! Labour have a history of caring for genuine needy disabled cases. 
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      · 5 months ago
      @P H Kirkwood But that was when they were a Socialist party. They are now only just slightly left of Ghengis Khan!
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      · 5 months ago
      @P H Kirkwood Sorry you are deluding yourself with such beliefs. Starmer is a vicious Tory in disguise and his austerity measures will provoke alot of opposition from the unions amongst others.
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    · 5 months ago
    I have very little faith this Labour Party will stop the assault on the long term sick & disabled community. They have said little about what they will do and what has been mentioned doesn't fill me with much hope. Personally, I am absolutely gutted after 14 yrs of abuse from this Tory lead Government, UK Labour don't have the integrity to stand up & speak out in defense of those who can't work...I fear not having a job will still mean being treated like a criminal
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    · 5 months ago
    I'm voting Labour to tactically get the Tories out, and my incumbent MP for my area is a Conservative.

    Much as I disagree with Keir Starmer on many issues, my personal situation is a priority. I'm disabled and unemployed on ESA, and I'm worried about the Universal Credit transfer. If I lived in Keir's constituency (which is in Central London), I would have voted him out by voting for the Green Party.

    People who are unable to work due to disability or other issues need to spend money to get along. I know about the welfare reforms and the impacts that caused people to commit suicide in the past 14 years.

    This general election is really important; our main mission is to get the Tories out. Once Labour gets in, there's no guarantee for a breathing space regarding the benefit reforms by the outgoing Tories. This is my opinion.

    Once Labour gets in, disability campaign groups need to put loads of pressure on the Labour government and the general secretaries of the Labour-affiliated trade unions.
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      · 5 months ago
      @Craig (pseudonym) Anyone who does live in Keir's constituency should absolutely not vote Green. If you want Starmer out, and many of us do, and you have an actual vote in that area vote for Andrew Feinstein. He stands a real chance of ousting Starmer if the electorate will just get behind him.
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      · 5 months ago
      @Craig (pseudonym) I have no faith at all in a Starmer government which has basically committed itself to continuing Tory austerity. However, I do agree that the disabled community needs to reach out to the unions and fight together against the red Tory austerity. We all have a role to play in this. Join Disabled People Against Cuts and get involved in the fight to come.
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    · 5 months ago
    A pair of indentikit tory rentagobs (one of them the current Eugenics, erm I mean Science Minister) were on 'Politics Live' today, hammering out the usual 'Labour are too soft on welfare' right wing diatribe while the Labour guy just sat silently smiling to himself throughout.

    While someone should probably tell the tories that continuing to demonise benefit claimants when at least half the country is now dependent on some form of welfare is no longer such a good look, it would be nice if somebody from Labour would say something - anything - about it at all.
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    · 5 months ago
    Reforms to pip and wca, conditionality etc will take years to implement. Perhaps that is why Labour are not committing to action it has really not been possible to plan. 

    Where I believe Labour has been disappointing, and why it is hard to tell whether they would be as harsh on disability claimants, is that they could have come out strongly to halt the managed migration of esa to uc, stopping the constant upheaval, and stated clear intention to review everything calmly when in office. 

    The tories have thrown a grenade at the entire welfare system, and Labour should call a halt and pick through the remains before beginning careful reconstruction. Halting esa to uc migration is an achievable aim, and would be an encouraging signal. As things stand, it just looks as if Labour are overwhelmed and letting things roll on, when the smart, and compassionate, thing to do would be to acknowledge the complexity of the challenge facing the welfare state, promise to address that, and to intervene early with immediate and manageable measures to ease the pressure. 
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    · 5 months ago
    I voted less harsh simply because of the financial mess the country is in.  They will be looking at all budgets for best value no matter what.  I do however, think they will attempt to improve and will involve more discussion and ask for advise regarding any changes.

    Thoughts.
    The seed change in public thinking we all hoped would happen post covid, has apparently happened.  Recent surveys are now showing that only 17% of the public consider welfare, and benefits in particular as being abused and over used.

    ' There but for the grace of God go I ' 

    This will have an impact and influence on Labour, Lib Dems, not so much Greens whose focus is very much, as it should, be on the environment.

    Yes there will be changes, during a second term, indications are to expect a significant change to how all benefits are worked, with status quo becoming the main stay for the first term, they have enough to get on with.


    How they will deal with job centres and assessments, unknown.
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    · 5 months ago
    We ae all left guessing but I voted for 2 for the simple fact no one can he as harsh to disabled people I think as the Tories. What a bunch of nasty cretins they have been, Lib Dems would be my vote this time because there leader Davey has experience of caring  but I want the Tories out so think labour has best bet.
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    · 5 months ago
    I'm 40. Apart from a couple of instances I never had any dealing with benefits under a Labour government. I was written off work and receive PIP all of which has happened under a Tory government. Whilst I've had some issues with claims it's never really been anything that was long lasting. The Tory stance on benefits towards the end of their tenure is quite worrying. How Labour fare, I can only guess. Hopefully it doesn't just get worse. 
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    · 5 months ago
    https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/labour-pledges-to-scrap-tory-plans-to-tighten-fitness-for-work-test/

    I'm sure all will be much better and any changes will be done with involvement with the disabled and not work coaches with noo clue 
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    · 5 months ago
    I believe they will be less harsh, but there won't be any meaningful improvement in how claimants are treated. My personal opinion is that changes to PIP won't go ahead, and Labour will instead focus on the WCA. They have said they won't carry out the changes currently proposed by the Conservatives, but their own plan to "reform" it will not help us at all.

    My understanding is that Labour are going to focus much more on "welfare to work" policies, as opposed to bluntly cutting conditionality or reducing payments like the Conservatives. I believe the intended direction is to ensure that many more of the Support Group claimants have some degree of contact with a work coach, who may in some cases be able to impose a level of conditionality.

    The issue most identified amongst policy advisors is that the rising costs of benefits are primarily driven by long duration, not by excessive inflow, and they believe that trying to get existing claimants back to work is the best way to reduce the welfare bill. You can see some of this thinking echoed in Labour's recent manifesto commitment to better integrate JCP with local health services, and hire 8,500 mental health experts to "help claimants back to work."

    I've heard that the intended policy objective will be to greatly reduce the number of claimants who have "no contact" with JCP, which is currently hovering around 70%. The hope being that increased engagement and "personalized conditionality" will move many more disabled into the workforce. Labour's WCA reforms will therefore focus on changing the current system such that a much smaller number are left alone after they are assessed as having LCWRA, if such a category continues to exist in anything resembling its current form.
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      · 5 months ago
      @JC @JC I agree with you 
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      · 5 months ago
      @JC Thanks JC this is thoughtful but obviously quite concerning too.  

      I've been thinking it's not rocket science to analyze where society is going wrong.  How many are in the prison system because of poor earlier life care and experience and how many of us have been derailed from "normal life" because of similar experiences.  

      I wonder what would happen if they had an independent body write to everybody on these benefits (and in prison) asking what we need.  Not with the intention of getting us back to work but just to see what it is we have needed what we feel we perhaps didn't get and then work from there to supply this in society. It's odd that this was called 'Social Security' it is the exact opposite in its present form causing immense insecurity and long term damage and harm.  Surely there could be a better system than this...
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    · 5 months ago
    I voted 3 as I suspect both have dastardly plans! We may well vote Green still as they spoke up for the disabled and I would not want the smaller worthwhile parties to lose their deposits.
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    · 5 months ago
    I voted for no 2 in the hope pip stays the same , but both parties are the same can’t do with sunak or starmer , none of them know what poverty is like and living to the breadline !

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    · 5 months ago
    It isn't possible to vote in the poll, because for whatever reason Starmer's Labour party is making a calculated decision to keep whatever their exact plans for the disabled are a secret.

    Seems like a strange move to deliberately alienate 3 million disabled potential voters in this way, but I suppose when there are billionaires and tory swing voters to woo then our feelings (and lives) don't count.
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      · 5 months ago
      @wibblum Or it’s not a high priority.  

      The current green paper etc is just political to drive a wedge between different groups of voters and to try to get a reaction from Labour. 
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      · 5 months ago
      @wibblum I agree 100% with wibblum . 
      There should have been a “don’t know” option in the poll.
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    · 5 months ago
    They’re all as bad as each other, just with different levels of callous behaviour depending on the mood music. Only time will tell.
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    · 5 months ago
    I wish I knew whether or not Labour will scrap the Bedroom Tax.
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    · 5 months ago
    Labour may initially do nothing. But, the welfare bill will still need to be addressed, and they will very likely proceed along the lines of the stories intentions because they have no ideas of their own.

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