How do you think Labour will treat disabled claimants if, as seems increasingly likely, they form the next government?  Will they be better or worse than the Conservatives?

Last week’s Labour party manifesto left our readers divided on what the future might be like for disabled claimants under Labour.  The document made few references to benefits and gave no clues as to what its attitude would be to major issues such as ESA to UC migration, proposed Green paper changes to PIP or how exactly the WCA might be reformed.

Many readers felt that Labour was just being cautious, because any hint of being soft on claimants would be jumped on by the right-wing press.

Others thought that Labour were saying little because they do not have anything positive to say to disability benefits claimants.  Some think there is little difference between the two parties and some commentors even believe that Labour would be worse news for claimants than the Conservatives.

Certainly, the manifesto could have offered some hope to, for example Carer’s Allowance claimants. A change to the current cliff edge earnings limit would not have major cost implications.

And, to ensure claimant safety, Labour could have offered to look again at the very tight ESA to UC migration deadline imposed on the DWP by the Conservatives.  Delaying the transfer would not cost anything, given that it was previously delayed to 2028 to save money.

Labour could also have stated in the manifesto that they would look at the Green paper proposals for PIP, but that it was unlikely that a voucher system or a catalogue would play any part in any future plans.  Again, this would not have had cost implications.

None of these undertakings would have offered much in the way of ammunition to the right wing press, but all of them would have reassured claimants that Labour would give them some respite from the current relentless attacks.

On the other hand, no part of Labour’s plans include cutting benefits in order to raise cash for other purposes, such as tax cuts.

And, whilst they have said they will replace or reform the WCA, they have not suggested that they will reform PIP.

So, if benefits will play a major part in deciding who you will vote for, readers will have to make an educated guess as to what Labour might do based on minimal information.

Knowing what other claimants are thinking may be helpful in reaching a decision.

So, please take part in our poll to tell us whether you think life would be easier, harder or much the same under Labour rather than the Conservatives and, if you wish, give your reasons in the comments section below.

You can only vote once and we’ll publish the results on Monday 1 July.

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    Geoff · 3 months ago
    The Conservatives have thrown away their right to govern, Labour, led by a London based knight of the realm haven't earned it
    I'm going reform, because, by God, the politicions of this country need a reforming kick up the ****
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      Erik · 3 months ago
      @wibblum True. Look how Giorgia Meloni in Italy came in with a strong anti-establishment attitude and saying she was going to do what people wanted her to do. However, once in office it didn't take long for her to do a U-turn and support existing establishment agendas. Once you join the "system" you become an integrated extension of it. Those people are in a class of their own, and they are not there to truly serve the rest of us.
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      wibblum · 3 months ago
      @Geoff Reform won't kick 'the politicians' because Reform ARE politicians, they'll only kick the vulnerable!
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    Jennet00 · 3 months ago
    No news is not always good news.  I feel labour is not commenting much on any benefits issues as they are likely to stick with at least a number of measures that conservatives have already started, as in the short term at least it will lead to savings.  
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    Brian R · 3 months ago
    Gloria, I'm with you on that one. I trust neither of the main parties so am also going Reform. Granted they will not form (this) Government. But if they can make it to be the only real opposition, to 'the usual susspects' then the politics of this country may just get shaken out of the Status Quo.
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    David · 3 months ago
    I find it incredible that some people are talking about voting for the ‘Reform’ party!?!
    Are you actually aware of their policies? They would crucify those on benefits for starters…. Never mind their stance on the NHS and the environment etc. They think Truss’s budget was a very good thing. Are there people insane? I despair sometimes 😩 
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      T · 3 months ago
      @David Completely agree !! They would be worse than you could ever imagine.
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      LuMar · 3 months ago
      @David Exactly.  They've got all the words and phrases to please those who think there's loads of people on sickness benefits who aren't sick, whilst also allowing anyone on benefits to think it won't apply to them.  It's a con.  It isn't costed.  If he ever runs a Tory Party, in office, disabled people will be doomed. 


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    Sue · 3 months ago
    At 68 yrs I'm old enough to have known life under multiple Labour and Conservative governments.  In my experience ordinary (working class) people are always better off under Labour, whatever their status.
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    Amansco · 3 months ago
    I won't be voting Labour or Conservatives. Neither party give a damn about those of us who are too poorly to work. I know who I will be voting for and it won't be Labour, Conservatives or SNP. Bunch of idiots who don't have a clue what it's like to be disabled and have rubbish health. 
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    Robert · 3 months ago
    I have never before felt so emotionally detached from a GE - and I was already an adult under Harold Wilson's government, so I've lived through a few GEs. Why do I feel so detached? Because I struggle to believe that life for the sick, the disabled, the unemployed, the homeless, those who rent their homes, and the vulnerable, will be any better under Starmer's Labour government. Indeed, I may well not bother voting. 
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    Erik · 3 months ago
    As a disabled person on benefits I've already given my view in these comments earlier, but while it's on my mind there are additional things to consider for our quality of life when it comes to voting, such as how digital technologies may, or may not, be used to monitor and control us (including proposals to monitor the bank accounts of benefit claimants):

    https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/campaigns/election-watch-2024/#scorecard
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    Mary Booth · 3 months ago
    All of us can only benefit under Labour so voters with a disability will be included in these actions. There is no way they can possibly equal the conservatives in damaging those of us with disabilities. They have no said they will cut benefits and I feel are to be trusted on this. 
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    BirtyB · 3 months ago
    I feel that Kier Starmer has a social conscience and that they are playing a safe game and avoiding attacks from the right wing media. I hope I am right as I don't think that the Liberals and Greens will win enough seats to be effective 
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    Duncan Martin · 3 months ago
    It's hard to be certain what difference Labour will make to disabled claimants, however, they can't be worse than the Conservative party. We've endured 14yrs of misery, Brexit, broken promises, lies and austerity. Surely, given time, Labour can better that rather unfortunate record 
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    RICHARD · 3 months ago
    Reform for me.
    Labour is no longer the people's party. 
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      wibblum · 3 months ago
      @RICHARD Reform are not the people's party, either. Right now, they're The Nigel Farage Party, solely operating in the interest of Nigel Farage.
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      frenchruby · 3 months ago
      @RICHARD It's true that Labour is no longer the people's party, and is in fact just the Tory B team these days, Fascism is never the answer Make no mistake, fascism is what Farage is offering. The slogans and policies are a direct lift from the National Front of the 70s. Don't do it.
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      Victoria · 3 months ago
      @RICHARD Please reconsider. Look at their proposals because they will damage the majority of us. 
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      Edwards · 3 months ago
      @RICHARD Are you joking,they will crucify disabled people, their policies are against even giving unemployed people more than 4 months support 
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    David E · 3 months ago
    Labour introduced the Work Capability Assessment for disability benefits in the early 2000s, and they were responsible for putting the WCA regime into the hands of privateers such as ATOS and Capita. We all remember how the incompetence, mendacity and apathy of the people employed by those organisations devastated the lives of many claimants. With a track record like that and an obvious desire to maintain positive media coverage of their policies, I believe that a Labour government will do little to make the lives of disabled people any easier. 

    The Tories still see welfare claimants as handy scapegoats for the nation's ills and if by some miracle they were elected, the harsh approach to benefits of the last 14 years would continue. 
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      frenchruby · 3 months ago
      @Chris It's NOT way left of Blair, far from it. They more closely resemble John Major's Tory government. And if he gets a big majority, Starmer has the potential to be worse than Thatcher.
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      Victoria · 3 months ago
      @David E 100% agree with this. 
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      Chris · 3 months ago
      @David E Your facts are right but I don't think it would be correct to say that Starmer's Labour now are the same party as Blair's New Labour from the early noughties. Much has been learned since then I'd like to think. I know everyone is nervous that the current party haven't said anything about doing or not doing what the Tories intend to do to disability claimants. But if they did say for instance that they wouldn't be attacking disability benefits, then the Tories would come out and say that they're going to use "hard-working people's taxes to pay for the nation's slackers" for example. When you're so far ahead in the polls, you don't need to give the Tories any ammunition like that. There's no way people like Angela Rayner, Jess Phillips or Lisa Nandy would stand by and watch their party attack the disabled in the way that Cameron and Sunak have. I know the party has moved right from Corbyn's time, but it's still way left of Blair. I want to give them a chance to be the party that Keir Starmer claims they intend to be, rather than expect the worst just because we've had the lying Tories for 14yrs.
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    Manda · 3 months ago
    There is no transparency with Labour referencing people with a disability, they are holding their hand close to their chest.  For me I don’t see this as anything positive.  I don’t intend to vote for either Labour or Conservatives, I have no confidence in them.  I think it’s time to see a totally different Party at Number 10 let’s face it they can’t do much worse than the Conservatives.  I really hate when they all blame each other, it’s time to focus on what they will do for us who live on a lot less money, and deal with a huge amount of negativity.
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      Erik · 3 months ago
      @Chris We can have a different party but people are self-defeating. So many say they won't vote for Lib Dem because they can't win, and yet if all those who said that actually voted for them then Lib Dem would get a large number of seats, and potentially might even win at some point. That's what happens when you vote based on contextual criteria and go with the herd instead of speaking frankly and voting for what you actually believe in.
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      frenchruby · 3 months ago
      @Chris Have you noticed the lying?
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      Chris · 3 months ago
      @Manda You might want to see a different party in Number 10 but we all know you can't have one. It's either Starmer or Sunak. We know the Tories are going to destroy the lives of disabled people if re-elected. We have no idea what Labour will do. Personally I don't think they'll change PIP at all. Once they're in power they have other things to get on with. The last thing they'll do is start messing around with the disabled and only end up with one term in power. Holding their cards close to their chest is clever politics. Starmer is totally outplaying Sunak by refusing to get into debates about what makes them different. That's why the Tories have been making these obvious lies up about Labour having a bunch of stealth taxes ready which will cost everyone £2000 each. It's totally made-up garbage. Better they have to make up lies than Starmer gives them actual ammunition that Sunak can use against them. He's just keeping his mouth shut and letting the Tories dig their own graves. It's actually one of the more impressive bits of politics I've seen from Starmer.
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    Dawn · 3 months ago
    I'm not really sure how Labour will be towards the sick and disabled,but I'm hoping they will not force us back to work,like the conservatives will,they don't care about us,just hope labour will look out for us,but I'm not so sure,just hope to god that conservatives do not get back in.
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    Gloria Sane · 3 months ago
    I first applied for DLA under a labour government. The DWP treated me abominably. My mp had to help me.  Fast forward, to pip, under a conservative government, treated abominably, my Mp had to help me.  The problem is the Establishment, ie the Civil Servants.  Personally I’m taking my chances with Reform this time.  
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      Paula Kyle · 3 months ago
      @frenchruby I've been reading some of the  comments of the Reform fans or whatever you call them, which I find really disturbing and mostly based on ignorance, and racist opinions.
      Apart from his referendum which is not practical or realistic, Farage has made his opinion clear as regards to people on benefits and plans to save money by kicking loads off benefits.
      So he's deffo a no go for me.
      Conservatives, obviously not.
      Labour have gifted us with a lucky bag, none of us know what that's going to hold for us personally.
      What a mess.
      I still don't know who I'm voting for
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      frenchruby · 3 months ago
      @Gloria Sane Is that the manifesto with the slogan "Make Britain Great Again" and headline policies about stopping immigration, turning our backs on Europe, restoring the death penalty, etc?

      Sounds familiar. Oh, yes, It's literally the National Front manifesto from 1970.

      The Neo-Nazi, white supremacist National Front. Is that who you want to vote for?


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      Welfare Rights · 3 months ago
      @Chris So reform think they can save a few billion quid - woopee do - they say they want xy amount of claimnets back into work - woopee do - they need to create and encourage well paid jobs first and foremost so that some people on DLA/PIP can work - having worked in the benefits system for over 10 years - not everyone claiming wants to claim most are decent honest folk who would love to work but the works not there for them 
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      Chris · 3 months ago
      @Gloria Sane I don't think you've been listening to the manifestos or the harsh in-depth policies. Reform are way to the right of the Tories in terms of Disability Benefits. They've said anyone capable of work at all must do so. All PIP assessments will have to be done face to face. They will make the assessments harder and anyone who doesn't take one of the first 2 jobs offered will have their benefits stopped immediately. Reform would end up killing some of the most vulnerable people with disabilities. They may be right on some policies but no way do you want them making decisions on benefit claimants. The Tories want to make £10B from PIP claimants and a further £2B from UC claimants. Reform said they'll save £15B within the first year alone with at least 1m claimants back into the workforce. With "force" being the operative word. If you're worried about disability claimants more than immigration, then steer well clear of Reform. If you're happy to have immigration stop but only if you have to go back to work whether you are able to or not, then go ahead and vote Reform.
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    keepingitreal · 3 months ago
    Aside from the whole clamp down on disability benefits I am increasingly fed up and becoming more wildly furious about the lumping in of pip with all other disability benefits. There is all this talk of working people, getting the disabled into/back to work. PIP IS NOT AN OUT OF WORK BENEFIT. It is extra help towards the cost of disability, it is not an income replacement benefit, such as esa or uc, which pay something to replace the income which might come from work. MANY PIP CLAIMANTS WORK, God bless them, and here we have politicians trying to cut the support that makes possible the very thing those politicians want to see: working people. 

    Until politicians of whichever party get their fuzzy heads out of their lazy arses and apply some clear critical analysis and understanding to the experience and management of sickness and disability, and the support necessary to integrate the sick and disabled into the work force, there will be no logical or compassionate approach to claimants of any disability benefit. 

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      Chris · 3 months ago
      @keepingitreal Here, Here !!!!
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      Erik · 3 months ago
      @keepingitreal That's a good point there. I'm formally diagnosed with both autism and fibromyalgia. I receive both UC disability and basic daily living of PIP. I work 16 hours a week as a website admin editing products, and I also do 10 hours per week of a very easy cleaning job where I essentially just have to sweep up any mess in the foyer areas and empty bins. That all leaves me too exhausted to do much in the way of cooking from scratch or doing housework, but I'd rather have the extra money than a clean and tidy home - and if necessary I can pay someone I trust to clean my home for me.
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    Anthony Hagger · 3 months ago
    Rachael Reeves how she views those on welfare and her hubby is the boss of the DWP.

    Make no mistake they will be as nasty as the Tories.
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      Chris · 3 months ago
      @Anthony Hagger Hmmm interesting. Just looked to fact check this. Her husband is Nick Joicey, a Labour (civil servant I think?) who was the finance director for the DWP between 2018-2022. He's currently working in agriculture for DEFRA and was a speechwriter for Gordon Brown 20 years ago. He's managed to work in lots of depts under the Tories over the last 14yrs so it's impossible to know where his real political interests lie. But you're right, Rachel Reeves has been under scrutiny for some pretty hard-line positions in the past. In 2022:

      Disabled activists have questioned Labour’s commitment to justice for the countless claimants whose deaths were linked to the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP), after it emerged that one of its senior frontbenchers is married to a DWP director-general.

      Linda Burnip, DPAC’s (Disabled People Against Cuts) co-founder, said: “Rachel Reeves is notorious for stating that the Labour party is not a party which is willing to support pensioners or disabled people unable to work and is a party for working people. The Labour Party refused to comment on these issues at the time.

      A Labour chancellor with right wing ideologies against disabled people would be a nightmare. It could mean little or no change to current Tory policies to reform PIP.

      Worrying....
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    AndiP · 3 months ago
    Don't think either will make changes for the good.  After 32 years in work I was finished due to disability.  EsA was refused as I was told " disabled can work". The fact that I had lost a lot of my sight and needed some rehabilitation work didn't count for anything. 
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    Clare · 3 months ago
    For Labour to be able to pay for their parties pledges and other things that are bound to come out of the woodwork Anything might be on the table to raise funds for their pet projects and all those inevitable surprises along the way That is why in the end they could need to be as harsh as they need to plug the hole in their budget As stated cost and how it will be funded always differ from reality They can and most likely will blame the Torys in some way When they spend too much They are no longer the part of the people 

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