Documentary evidence already held by the DWP Re .

When I applied for DLA originally I had to provide medical evidence in support of my claim.
I was successful.
As my circumstances have remained unchanged Re.my illnesses/disabilities the evidence supplied to the DWP is still valid.
When one will eventually be required to reapply /be reassessed for PIP then all the medical evidence supplied should available for thecDWP to use again in order to reassess for PIP. Indeed applicants within the reasssement process may well have new evidence in support of their claim for PIP.Does the DWP keep in archive records call b of the original supporting documentary evidence and will they refuse this in support of a reasssement from indefinite award DLA to PIP.
Anybody know if the DWP keep the paperwork

Hi Gordon,
Thankyou for replying to my query. In all honesty your response makes little sense ,with respect.

If one's condition has remained unchanged and original diagnoses, with supporting evidence from the medical professionals still aplies, how it can it no longer be relevant?

Why would the DWP destroy claimants still valid and valuable documentary evidence after only 15 months. Where have you got this from?

Yes the criteria may be different via the PIP application form as opposed to the DLA application process,but if a claimant's condition or illness has remained unchanged since they applied for DLA then there is no change surely;

As I have now embarked on a new topic ,how can it be that I am duplicating postings?
What I am now exploring will be of vital importance to claimants on indefinite DLA who at some point will have to reapply for PIP.

The issue of their documentary evidence which they will have forwarded to thecDWP perhaps several years ago is vitally important.

Why should claimants have to resubmit supporting evidence if the DWP already have it?

Hi JR,

"Thankyou for replying to my query. In all honesty your response makes little sense ,with respect."

It may not make sense to you, but it is perfectly correct.

"If one's condition has remained unchanged and original diagnoses, with supporting evidence from the medical professionals still aplies, how it can it no longer be relevant?"

It may well be still relevant, but it is up to you to prove that it is to The DWP,. You should remember that it is the limitations/disabilities caused by a medical condition that may or may not result in a PIP Award rather than the medical condition itself.

Even though you may still suffer from the same medical conditions, your resulting limitations may have changed. e.g. you may have learned over time to better cope with your limitations.

You may now have aids or appliances, you may have had new medication, or procedures carried out, etc, etc.

"Why would the DWP destroy claimants still valid and valuable documentary evidence after only 15 months. Where have you got this from?"

This information was provided by The DWP as the result of an FOI request : HERE

As Gordon says, the only way to find out what documentation the DWP hold on you is to issues a SAR.

"Yes the criteria may be different via the PIP application form as opposed to the DLA application process,but if a claimant's condition or illness has remained unchanged since they applied for DLA then there is no change surely;"

It is not your illness that may or may not give you a PIP award, it is whether the limitations caused by your illness score enough points with the relevant Descriptors of the applicable PIP Mobility and /or Daily Living Activities.

Qualifying for a DLA Award and qualifying for a PIP Award are two totally different "Tests", so they cannot be compared.

Why would they bring in a totally new benefit with the same qualifying criteria to the one it was replacing ?

Why do you think that PIP was brought in ?

The main intention was to cut around 20% off the DLA expenditure.

"As I have now embarked on a new topic ,how can it be that I am duplicating postings?"

Having looked at your other post, : HERE which I have locked and will delete later it is asking very similar if not the same question in a different topic.

It is therefore a duplicate post.

I am sorry that you feel that you have to dispute the advice that we are offering, we can only tell you the facts as we know them, the same or similar advice has been offered to many, many other members in the past.

You have a simple choice, you can either take on board what we are stating, or do your own research and take your own approach.

If you wish to query how The DWP Documentation Retention System works you should contact them.

If you are not happy with the way that the transfer from DLA to PIP process is operated you should contact your M.P.

Complaining to The DWP

Contacting your MP

Have you took our : PIP Self Test ?

Or read through our : PIP Claims Guide. (2nd Link on page) ?

Doing so may enlighten you further.

Mods really don't have the time nor the inclination to "argue" facts with members, that is not our purpose !

bro58

You are quite right in your responses and I fully understand and appreciate your answer.
What I am concerned by is that claimants on indefinite DLA may have to needlessly resubmit lots of supporting documentary evidence because the DWP had disposed of relevant previous documentation.
Indeed quintessentially, it is how one's condition relates to the points scoring criteria on the PIP application form that actually counts and not the condition itself.
Moreover the DLA and PIP forms are very different.Indeed so
But applicants faced with resubmitting supporting evidence that the DWP have disposed of is only going to cause much much more delay,to the reasssement process ,but more importantly huge anxiety and stress to reasssement applicants who may be mental ill for example.
In any event the DWP,ATOS,and MAXIMA will now have tripling of their workload
1)Via re entry of PIP awardees on a 2 year fixed award
2)New PIP applications
3)Reasssement of existing indefinite DLA awardees to PIP.
Add to that resubmission if necessary of supporting evidence by all of the above and you will have not only an untenable amount of work on the part other DWP et al,by ongoing massive delays once again.
Can you imagine how long all of the above would take to sort out in say London alone ,without the rest of the UK ?
Completed by 2018?
Don't think so.
Maybe Kate Green MPS estimate of 40 years would not seem that farfetched after all. What do you think Bro

John Raymond wrote: You are quite right in your responses and I fully understand and appreciate your answer.
What I am concerned by is that claimants on indefinite DLA may have to needlessly resubmit lots of supporting documentary evidence because the DWP had disposed of relevant previous documentation.
Indeed quintessentially, it is how one's condition relates to the points scoring criteria on the PIP application form that actually counts and not the condition itself.
Moreover the DLA and PIP forms are very different.Indeed so
But applicants faced with resubmitting supporting evidence that the DWP have disposed of is only going to cause much much more delay,to the reasssement process ,but more importantly huge anxiety and stress to reasssement applicants who may be mental ill for example.
In any event the DWP,ATOS,and MAXIMA will now have tripling of their workload
1)Via re entry of PIP awardees on a 2 year fixed award
2)New PIP applications
3)Reasssement of existing indefinite DLA awardees to PIP.
Add to that resubmission if necessary of supporting evidence by all of the above and you will have not only an untenable amount of work on the part other DWP et al,by ongoing massive delays once again.
Can you imagine how long all of the above would take to sort out in say London alone ,without the rest of the UK ?
Completed by 2018?
Don't think so.
Maybe Kate Green MPS estimate of 40 years would not seem that farfetched after all. What do you think Bro

Hi JR,

Unfortunately, what I think is irrelevant !

However, I very much doubt that all current applicable DLA recipients will be transferred over to PIP by 2018.

One only has to look at the ESA transfers programme which started in March 2011, where all IB, IS and SDA recipients "should" have been transferred over to ESA by Spring 2014 !!!

Another failed deadline !!!

By the way, Maximus have nothing to do with PIP Assessment, they deal with ESA only.

PIP Assessments are carried out by ATOS and Capita.

bro58