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3 years 7 months ago #264246 by pauline
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Hi, this may be long! I was awarded PIP in 2014 higher rate daily living only, I have had 2 further reviews and stayed on higher rate daily living, these were all done as face to face at my home, I have just had a telephone assessment and they have reduced me to standard rate, I asked for mandatory reconsideration and this has come back word for word the same standard rate. I had the works thrown at me buy them, I drive, that that uses strength, cognitive function etc. That I only take moderate pain killers even though I explained why, as many others make me ill. I have chronic fatigue...they said I dont see anyone for it. My problem is I have recently changed hospitals for treatment asI had a problem with the treatment I received and have only seen my new consultant once so have no new evidence. have severe arthritis, fibro, and autoimmune diseases, I was diagnosed in France with an autoimmune disease that consultants in uk say I dont fit the catagory for, although they all say I have an autoimmune disease and probably Lupus. Ive had some heavy duty drugs in the past and most come with dire side affects so I have not been able to continue taking them, I explained this to DWP. My new consultant is starting again with me so I have only have the usual stats done until I see him again. My question after my essay is do I appeal or not or do I wait and do a change of circumstances? the thought of a fight is unappealing!
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3 years 7 months ago #264253 by BIS
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Hi Pauline
We can't tell you what to do here, because only you know what reserves of energy and stamina you have to fight this.
You could put in an appeal. This often takes a long time and if you get more information before the tribunal date, you could put in for a change of circumstances and later cancel the appeal. This way, you have both options open to you. More than 80% of people win their tribunals.
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We can't tell you what to do here, because only you know what reserves of energy and stamina you have to fight this.
You could put in an appeal. This often takes a long time and if you get more information before the tribunal date, you could put in for a change of circumstances and later cancel the appeal. This way, you have both options open to you. More than 80% of people win their tribunals.
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3 years 7 months ago #264255 by stefaniel2001
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If you have the strength and some good support I would say appeal - I also have fibromyalgia and many linked conditions and have had to appeal 3 times so far since 2010 - I have won what I was entitled to each time but I know that without the strength and support given by my other half I would not have been able to do it as the effect on my mental health was overwhelming. I'm sure that in their guidance they are told that people with chronic long term conditions like ours don't always take high level meds will try and think where I saw it.
I hope your new Consultant finds a treatment plan that truly helps you.
Good luck :o)
I hope your new Consultant finds a treatment plan that truly helps you.
Good luck :o)
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3 years 7 months ago #264261 by pauline
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Thank you, most of me is saying appeal, husband not so much so but will obviously stand by my choice. I just feel in all this nothing has changed infact things have got worse as I now have IBS and diverticulitis which I stated and the reduced it!!! Grrrrr
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3 years 7 months ago #264263 by denby
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Dearest Pauline, the thought of appealing is intentionally made unappealing by DWP expressly so they can mark down the most vulnerable - people with mental health issues and chronic fatigue and similar are especially vulnerable to this. Even more so those whose doctors can't even agree on their condition or treatment. However if you decide to give it a go we ALL have your back here. And I send you energy vibes, we may be virtual but there is so much caring on here. If you are very lucky you may find a good advice service local to you to support your tackling this injustice. Another option is this:
disabilityrights.org.uk
"Kester Disability Rights is a mixture of free and fee-paying services to fill gaps caused by Government cuts. It is not-for-profit with all money raised from cases being reinvested "
It is a no-win-no-fee setup, so you stand to gain a lot if they get back your Enhanced for you.
Best wishes,
Denby
disabilityrights.org.uk
"Kester Disability Rights is a mixture of free and fee-paying services to fill gaps caused by Government cuts. It is not-for-profit with all money raised from cases being reinvested "
It is a no-win-no-fee setup, so you stand to gain a lot if they get back your Enhanced for you.
Best wishes,
Denby
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3 years 7 months ago #264273 by LL26
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Hi Pauline,
Firstly I would say appeal. There are two reasons for this. In my experience if you have had a recent claim turned down or down graded it is very unlikely that DWP will increase the award if you put in a new claim in a short space of time. Secondly, as BIS states, the success at tribunal is very good, and even people who get zero points can achieve enhanced rate of both, but the most important thing is that if you continue with an appeal, and you win, then your benefit will be backdated to the decision date or when you stopped receiving your previous award if earlier. If you don't instigate an appeal, then you will never get this money back, so that is perhaps some incentive to proceed! (Also if you receive additional means tested benefits and were previously entitled to any 'add-ons' called premiums as a result of your receipt of PIP, these will also be backdated as well.)
PIP is all about function rather than diagnosis, but DWP tend to forget this, and 'conveniently' write off what DWP thinks is vague uncertain illness. This shouldn't happen, but sadly it does.
All too often DWP use very bad analogies to convince themselves that few or no points should be awarded. 'You can drive - therefore you can...cook a meal' (Yes it is very common to see this) 'You don't have a specialist involved therefore your condition isn't serious'. This is hardly going to relevant for someone who is an amputee. Or of course 'you take no medicine, therefore it's not serious' - this is for someone with learning difficulties or autism. (All these comments have been on reports, too many reports!)
You have 1 month to appeal the MR decision. You can apply online - sscs1 form - or you can print it and send in. I find it easier to fill out all the address parts and info bits and draft the Grounds of Appeal in Word, or by hand and then upload as a document. The reason why I say this is that there is very limited formatting on the Grounds of Appeal page on the online form, and worst still, when you try and set it out in neat paragraphs with bullets points the formatting that appears on the screen is not matched when the form gets printed out by DWP when making the appeal bundle to present to you and the tribunal - you are likely to get one very long paragraph with no gaps, and it's very difficult to follow.
Set out your conditions and a bit of health background in an opening paragraph and then
set out the major points of concern as a few bullet points eg
- I do see a specialist
- I take oramorph which is a strong painkiller reserved for severe pain
- the decision maker has relied on incorrect cut and paste comments from the assessor
etc etc
You can then set out each descriptor - how you can/can't do the activity and the help etc required and why and explain the level of points you should have received. Alternatively if DWP awarded eg 2 points for aid/appliance and you should have received more - explain this eg
'Although DWP has awarded 2 points for needing and aid/appliance to help me wash, they have not explained what I should use. I should have received 3 points for needing help to get in/out of the bath. I only have a bath at home and no shower. Due to poor balance and grip, I have had fourteen falls when trying to get in the bath unaided - this caused a broken wrist and also separately a cut on my head requiring 12 stitches. I have been told categorically by the GP that I should have help when getting in/out of the bath, as it is extremely unsafe for me to do this unaided. Under regulation 7 (PIP Regs. 2013) I should be awarded the highest points values....etc etc
Write a paragraph for all the descriptors. Include any medical reports. Sometimes if DWP have disputed the nature of an illness, or diagnosis, I have googled the condition and included details of eg common symptoms/relevant first or second line drugs etc. - you can then add a paragraph 'according to X website the following 5 are common symptoms - I have all of these, and take Y medicine which you will see is a second line drug...' (Use NHS Website or similar or eg something like Lupus Society UK will provide the information you need - make sure you copy the link address.)
It is possible that a decision can be revised upon receipt of the sccs1 appeal form, if not, then as BIS says wait for the tribunal - it may take a while but there is an extremely good chance of success, and your appeal being allowed. I appreciate it is hard, but please, please do not give up.
I hope this helps.
Good luck.
LL26
Firstly I would say appeal. There are two reasons for this. In my experience if you have had a recent claim turned down or down graded it is very unlikely that DWP will increase the award if you put in a new claim in a short space of time. Secondly, as BIS states, the success at tribunal is very good, and even people who get zero points can achieve enhanced rate of both, but the most important thing is that if you continue with an appeal, and you win, then your benefit will be backdated to the decision date or when you stopped receiving your previous award if earlier. If you don't instigate an appeal, then you will never get this money back, so that is perhaps some incentive to proceed! (Also if you receive additional means tested benefits and were previously entitled to any 'add-ons' called premiums as a result of your receipt of PIP, these will also be backdated as well.)
PIP is all about function rather than diagnosis, but DWP tend to forget this, and 'conveniently' write off what DWP thinks is vague uncertain illness. This shouldn't happen, but sadly it does.
All too often DWP use very bad analogies to convince themselves that few or no points should be awarded. 'You can drive - therefore you can...cook a meal' (Yes it is very common to see this) 'You don't have a specialist involved therefore your condition isn't serious'. This is hardly going to relevant for someone who is an amputee. Or of course 'you take no medicine, therefore it's not serious' - this is for someone with learning difficulties or autism. (All these comments have been on reports, too many reports!)
You have 1 month to appeal the MR decision. You can apply online - sscs1 form - or you can print it and send in. I find it easier to fill out all the address parts and info bits and draft the Grounds of Appeal in Word, or by hand and then upload as a document. The reason why I say this is that there is very limited formatting on the Grounds of Appeal page on the online form, and worst still, when you try and set it out in neat paragraphs with bullets points the formatting that appears on the screen is not matched when the form gets printed out by DWP when making the appeal bundle to present to you and the tribunal - you are likely to get one very long paragraph with no gaps, and it's very difficult to follow.
Set out your conditions and a bit of health background in an opening paragraph and then
set out the major points of concern as a few bullet points eg
- I do see a specialist
- I take oramorph which is a strong painkiller reserved for severe pain
- the decision maker has relied on incorrect cut and paste comments from the assessor
etc etc
You can then set out each descriptor - how you can/can't do the activity and the help etc required and why and explain the level of points you should have received. Alternatively if DWP awarded eg 2 points for aid/appliance and you should have received more - explain this eg
'Although DWP has awarded 2 points for needing and aid/appliance to help me wash, they have not explained what I should use. I should have received 3 points for needing help to get in/out of the bath. I only have a bath at home and no shower. Due to poor balance and grip, I have had fourteen falls when trying to get in the bath unaided - this caused a broken wrist and also separately a cut on my head requiring 12 stitches. I have been told categorically by the GP that I should have help when getting in/out of the bath, as it is extremely unsafe for me to do this unaided. Under regulation 7 (PIP Regs. 2013) I should be awarded the highest points values....etc etc
Write a paragraph for all the descriptors. Include any medical reports. Sometimes if DWP have disputed the nature of an illness, or diagnosis, I have googled the condition and included details of eg common symptoms/relevant first or second line drugs etc. - you can then add a paragraph 'according to X website the following 5 are common symptoms - I have all of these, and take Y medicine which you will see is a second line drug...' (Use NHS Website or similar or eg something like Lupus Society UK will provide the information you need - make sure you copy the link address.)
It is possible that a decision can be revised upon receipt of the sccs1 appeal form, if not, then as BIS says wait for the tribunal - it may take a while but there is an extremely good chance of success, and your appeal being allowed. I appreciate it is hard, but please, please do not give up.
I hope this helps.
Good luck.
LL26
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