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1 day 1 hour ago #305909 by Heisenberg
Not convinced by Stephen Timms' MP reference to OBR predictions was created by Heisenberg
Stephen Timms MP states as follows:
"After taking into account behavioural changes, the OBR predicts that 9 in 10 of those receiving the PIP daily living component at the point that any changes come into effect will still be receiving PIP by the end of the decade.":
www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2025-06-02.56150.h
Does anyone know the precise report he is referring to? I am sceptical given that, based on current DWP caseload data, out of the 1,283,000 standard daily living awards, 87% (1,116,000) get fewer than 4 points in all activities:
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/personal_...i_7#incoming-2989270
"After taking into account behavioural changes, the OBR predicts that 9 in 10 of those receiving the PIP daily living component at the point that any changes come into effect will still be receiving PIP by the end of the decade.":
www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2025-06-02.56150.h
Does anyone know the precise report he is referring to? I am sceptical given that, based on current DWP caseload data, out of the 1,283,000 standard daily living awards, 87% (1,116,000) get fewer than 4 points in all activities:
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/personal_...i_7#incoming-2989270
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22 hours 8 minutes ago #305919 by BIS
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Hi Heisenberg
There's a link to it in that article - Spring Statement 2025 health and disability benefit reforms - Impacts
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There's a link to it in that article - Spring Statement 2025 health and disability benefit reforms - Impacts
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21 hours 33 minutes ago #305925 by Heisenberg
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That is a document drafted by the DWP, or are you suggesting that there is a link to the respective OBR findings in the document?
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18 hours 24 minutes ago #305939 by BIS
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Hi Heisenberg
This issue is outside the remit of this forum. From that article, there is a direct link to the OBR and its findings and you can see if it has the specific date you're interested in. obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/policy/
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This issue is outside the remit of this forum. From that article, there is a direct link to the OBR and its findings and you can see if it has the specific date you're interested in. obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/policy/
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1 hour 57 minutes ago #305979 by Heisenberg
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Evidently, Timm's statement is extremely misleading and disingenuous.
You can see more about how that is worked out here:
questions-statements.parliament.uk/writt...ail/2025-05-14/52414
This is the pertinent section:
"Reassessments happen on average every 3 years. Someone who didn’t score 4 points in an activity in a previous assessment may well score 4 points in a future assessment – not least as many conditions tend to get worse, not better, over time.
After taking account of behavioural changes, the OBR predicts that 370,000 people who will be receiving PIP at the point of implementation of the four point requirement in November 2026, will lose their PIP Daily Living entitlement by 2029/30. Of all PIP recipients at the point of implementation, 9 in 10 will not lose PIP during the subsequent 3 years from this change."
So, it seems, the "9 in 10" calculation is worked out on the basis that most people will not lose PIP given they won't be reassessed under the new rules in a 3 year period, which is obviously not the same thing as 9 out of 10 claimants not being affected by the new rules should they now apply to them.
I have done my own calculations based on this FOI request:
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/personal_...i_7#incoming-2989270
87% of the 1,283,000 working age people currently receiving the standard daily living Personal Independence Payment (PIP) payment scored less than four points in each of the ten categories in the PIP assessment – meaning that they would no longer qualify for the daily living PIP benefit under Labour’s proposed new rules. A further 13% of the 1,608,000 working age claimants receiving the higher, ‘enhanced’ daily living PIP payment would also fall foul of the planned changes – giving a total of about 1.325m current PIP claimants who would be rendered ineligible by these proposals. 3.7m people currently claim PIP, so around 39% of claimants are not going to be eligible for the daily living component.
You can see more about how that is worked out here:
questions-statements.parliament.uk/writt...ail/2025-05-14/52414
This is the pertinent section:
"Reassessments happen on average every 3 years. Someone who didn’t score 4 points in an activity in a previous assessment may well score 4 points in a future assessment – not least as many conditions tend to get worse, not better, over time.
After taking account of behavioural changes, the OBR predicts that 370,000 people who will be receiving PIP at the point of implementation of the four point requirement in November 2026, will lose their PIP Daily Living entitlement by 2029/30. Of all PIP recipients at the point of implementation, 9 in 10 will not lose PIP during the subsequent 3 years from this change."
So, it seems, the "9 in 10" calculation is worked out on the basis that most people will not lose PIP given they won't be reassessed under the new rules in a 3 year period, which is obviously not the same thing as 9 out of 10 claimants not being affected by the new rules should they now apply to them.
I have done my own calculations based on this FOI request:
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/personal_...i_7#incoming-2989270
87% of the 1,283,000 working age people currently receiving the standard daily living Personal Independence Payment (PIP) payment scored less than four points in each of the ten categories in the PIP assessment – meaning that they would no longer qualify for the daily living PIP benefit under Labour’s proposed new rules. A further 13% of the 1,608,000 working age claimants receiving the higher, ‘enhanced’ daily living PIP payment would also fall foul of the planned changes – giving a total of about 1.325m current PIP claimants who would be rendered ineligible by these proposals. 3.7m people currently claim PIP, so around 39% of claimants are not going to be eligible for the daily living component.
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