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11 years 6 months ago #92765 by Gordon
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S65 and Bro58

I have re-read the ESA Regulations and the Decision Makers Guide and the error is mine.

The FAQ should refer to Work Related Activity and not WFIs.

There appears to be nothing that excludes an ESA claimant and their partner from being called to WFIs whilst the claimant is in the WRAG. If the claimants partner is "undertaking significant long term caring responsibilities that make the prospect of work, paid or unpaid, unlikely at the present time" they may have their WfI deferred.

However, whilst attending a WFI is required, neither the claimant nor their partner can be required to participate in Work Related Activity whilst in receipt of the Carers Allowance and/or the Carers Premium.

So to summarise, you will need to attend a WFI, but cannot be required to do anything whislt there.

Sorry for the confusion, I will update the FAQ.

Gordon

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11 years 6 months ago #92766 by bro58
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Gordon wrote:

S65 and Bro58

I have re-read the ESA Regulations and the Decision Makers Guide and the error is mine.

The FAQ should refer to Work Related Activity and not WFIs.

There appears to be nothing that excludes an ESA claimant and their partner from being called to WFIs whilst the claimant is in the WRAG. If the claimants partner is "undertaking significant long term caring responsibilities that make the prospect of work, paid or unpaid, unlikely at the present time" they may have their WfI deferred.

However, whilst attending a WFI is required, neither the claimant nor their partner can be required to participate in Work Related Activity whilst in receipt of the Carers Allowance and/or the Carers Premium.

So to summarise, you will need to attend a WFI, but cannot be required to do anything whislt there.

Sorry for the confusion, I will update the FAQ.

Gordon


Thanks for taking the time to research this issue, Gordon :)

I was a bit concerned as I have advised other members as in my posts here, on quite a few occasions.

Cheers. :)

bro58

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11 years 6 months ago - 11 years 6 months ago #92767 by bro58
Replied by bro58 on topic Re:carers premium
Hi G,

One more query on this issue. :)

In a scenario where a couple were both in receipt of DLA Higher Rate Care, and one partner of the couple was in receipt of CB ESA in the WRAG, and also received an income related ESA top up which included the Carer Premium for himself and his partner, as they were both classed as giving care to each other, but were not entitled to "carers allowance" due to "overlapping benefits" and the other partner was also in the WRAG, as she was entitled to CB ESA in her own right, would they then both be exempt from WFI's and/or WRA ?

I know it's rather late but whilst we are on the subject ... :)

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11 years 6 months ago - 11 years 6 months ago #92770 by Gordon
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Bro58

Having traced everything back, the only exclusions to WFIs are being in the Support Group or meeting the Upper Age limit.

Someone involved in "substantial" caring, there is no requirement for them to be receiving Carers Allowance, can have their WFIs deferred. There is no specification for how long, but I am assuming it is indefinite.

Whilst CA and ESA are overlapping benefits, this does not mean that someone claiming ESA cannot claim CA, just that it won't be paid, there will still be an underlying entitlement to the CA.

With regard to Work Related Activity, the following are excused

- is a lone parent who is responsible for and a member of the same household as a child under the age of 5; .
- is entitled to a carer’s allowance; and .
- is entitled to a carer premium under paragraph 8 of Schedule 4 to the ESA Regulations

So in your example, I think that WFIs would be deferred for both of them.

Gordon

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11 years 6 months ago #92772 by bro58
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Gordon wrote:

Bro58

Having traced everything back, the only exclusions to WFIs are being in the Support Group or meeting the Upper Age limit.

Someone involved in "substantial" caring, there is no requirement for them to be receiving Carers Allowance, can have their WFIs deferred. There is no specification for how long, but I am assuming it is indefinite.

Whilst CA and ESA are overlapping benefits, this does not mean that someone claiming ESA cannot claim CA, just that it won't be paid, there will still be an underlying entitlement to the CA.

With regard to Work Related Activity, the following are excused

- is a lone parent who is responsible for and a member of the same household as a child under the age of 5; .
- is entitled to a carer’s allowance; and .
- is entitled to a carer premium under paragraph 8 of Schedule 4 to the ESA Regulations

So in your example, I think that WFIs would be deferred for both of them.

Gordon


Thanks G,

I am aware of "the underlying entitlement" scenario, and that would be the case in the example that I have given. :)

I notice that you are seperating WFI's from WRA, I was under the impression that WFI's and The Work Programme both came under the umbrella of Work Related Activity, maybe that is where the confusion has occurred ?

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11 years 6 months ago - 11 years 6 months ago #92773 by Gordon
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bro58 wrote:

I notice that you are seperating WFI's from WRA, I was under the impression that WFI's and The Work Programme both came under the umbrella of Work Related Activity, maybe that is where the confusion has occurred ?

bro58

I think that was my original assumption as well, but going back through the various legislation and the DMG, the two are actually seperated.

It's interesting to note that one of the pre-requisites of WRA is a WFI.

I would assume that the WFIs are going to be pretty short if the claimant is excluded fron WRA :)

Gordon

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