Most commentators have assumed that the Conservatives would always vote in favour of anything that resembled a benefits cut. But there now seems to be a possibility that the Tories are planning to support Labour rebels and vote against Labour’s Green Paper.

On 18 May, Conservative MP Helen Whately told the Standard: “Labour’s plans dodge the difficult decisions on welfare, leave more people out of work than they put in and will hit some of the nation’s poorest people.

“The sickness benefits bill is spiralling out of control and these rushed reforms will make things worse, not better.

“These plans are cruel, careless and clumsy. And it seems that even some of the people closest to Reeves agree with us, not her.”

What makes this total condemnation of the Green Paper particularly noteworthy is that Whately is the Conservative shadow secretary for work and pensions.  It seems unlikely that she would have been so outspoken in her criticism without party approval.

It is clear that the rebellion on Labour’s back benches has been growing in the two months since the Green Paper was published.

On 1 April, the Labour List website published the names of 27 MPs who said they would rebel against the government and 15 more who had expressed opposition to the Green Paper.

On 8 May, 42 Labour MPs wrote to the prime minister to say the cuts were impossible to support.

On 15 May, ITV reported that 50 Labour MPs were set to rebel, including the 42 who had signed the original letter.  100 MPs had also signed a private letter to Starmer urging the government to delay the changes and rethink its proposals. At least 6 MPs signed both letters.

Which suggests that somewhere in the region of 130 Labour MPs oppose the cuts, though there is no suggestion they would all vote against them.

The labour leadership are said to be considering a number of ways to buy off the rebels.  These include changes to the winter fuel payment means-test, changes to the two child limit or changes to the benefits cap. 

The idea will be to tell rebel MPs that the government doesn’t have the cash help these groups and also to drop its Green Paper cuts.

Whether this is a pitch that will work, remains to be seen.

But there seems to be at least a possibility that the Conservatives are now positioning themselves to take advantage of Labour’s disarray.

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    · 20 hours ago
    Didn’t the Tories propose much bigger cuts of £12 billion with one option being to replace PIP with vouchers for mental health claimants, or something like that?

    Unfortunately, this latest Tory move seems like opposition for the sake of it. I do hate it when parties rage against something just because it’s from an opposing party. 
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      · 3 hours ago
      @MATT Hasn't a clue. There are no aids that will cure any of my many conditions, only medication's. And as we know, can only take so much of that.
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      · 6 hours ago
      @WatchandWait Yes they did 
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      · 9 hours ago
      @WatchandWait From what I've read here it looks as if the cuts will be much nearer to what the Tories proposed when one considers changes to UC etc.  Also, I note Timms' comments for those who will be denied PIP daily living along the lines of additional assistance in terms of aids etc. In other words, almost the same as what Sunak wanted last year. I didn't vote Labour at the last GE (I had my doubts regarding their proposed policies in relation to disability) nor at the local elections. (Lib Dem at the GE; Greens at the local election).  As mentioned elsewhere we all need to vote at the next GE.  
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      · 11 hours ago
      @WatchandWait Don't care what their motivation is, I'll take opposing votes from anyone 
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      · 12 hours ago
      @WatchandWait I don't mind it in this instance, if it's to our advantage - i'll take anything, frankly, at this point. 
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    · 21 hours ago
    What DWP are doing can’t work. Because it’s not going to produce the result they claim they are aiming for of employment . I think there’s many reasons why things will be watered down or quietly abandoned altogether along the way. Plus the delays to things happening legal challenges and general incompetence. Unfortunately they are creating much harm in the process.I have my own personal reasons for hating DWP/HMRC etc but I don’t think they’ll get away with it. What they will do is just move the problem to councils social services. The uncertainty is cruel though. My worries are people who won’t survive. I’m trying to think about the WCA not changing until 2028 . I think a lot of folk probably should get 4 points and should seek advice and get it. Flood them with appeals. Also continue to resist and fight ant error or mistake we can. Make their life harder. The battle against us is evil and we can’t afford to be nice. Be just as cutting and ruthless but for a genuine and just cause. 
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      · 7 hours ago
      @Old Mother That’s a good idea this is the sort of thing we need to do . Once people realise that it’s counter productive. Discredit them ha! . 
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      · 9 hours ago
      @Helen Galloway Agreed. Councils don’t have the capacity or funds to deal with this shift of responsibilities.  PIP is currently absorbing this shortfall.  Perhaps we should all  start looking to councils now for funding disability costs, that they currently aren’t covering. 
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      · 11 hours ago
      @Helen Galloway Yes! We need to be as disruptive as they are being. Time to put good manners aside.
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    · 1 days ago
    Rachel Reeves has said today that she is listening to MPs concerns. She is considering reinstating the wfa for pensioners and scrapping the 2 child benefit cap. It's reported she may do both in order to get MPs to vote for the reforms to disability/sickness benefits.
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      · 1 hours ago
      @Cecelia
      "if they look like losing the problem won't just go away I think."

      No, I agree that if even if they lose the vote or pull it because they think they'll lose then that would not be the end of it - we would still need to keep the pressure up with regard to whatever else they tried. Even so, the green paper getting voted down would be a massive shock for them and a clear warning that a landslide majority doesn't necessarily mean they can do whatever they want.
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      · 3 hours ago
      @tintack Labour will just go back too the drawing board, if they look like losing the problem won't just go away I think.
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Cathedral city Receipt of attendance allowance might replace pip daily living, but at the cost of pip mobility, and therefore motability. Also, not everyone who is eligible for pip daily living will qualify for attendance allowance. It's not a simple swap.
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      · 6 hours ago
      @Frances Pensioners can claim Attendance allowance, the rest of us can't 
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      · 6 hours ago
      @SLB
      While the WFA cut has had the biggest cut through, polling on the disability cuts shows that the public doesn't like this policy either. The figures I saw were about -80 on the WFA cut and about -40 on the disability cuts. That's still pretty unpopular, and that's despite the years of claimant-bashing rhetoric. Labour canvassers have also made it clear that the disability cuts were frequently being raised on the doorstep in the local elections, so they know this is costing them votes.

      My biggest concern as far as the vote is concerned is how many Labour MPs will hold their nerve and vote against the government. Reports of how many are opposed vary, but some place it as high as 170. If a significant chunk of that sort of number vote against the government, and the Tories vote against as well, there's a very decent chance the government could lose. But it depends on a lot of Labour backbenchers doing the right thing.
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    · 1 days ago
    There's going to be a big death toll because if these PIP Cuts ,so maybe from a selfish point of view the Tories might try to exonerate themselves by voting against it ,even though they know the legislation will pass.
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      · 22 hours ago
      @Mick G
      "even though they know the legislation will pass."

      If the Tories vote against it and the Labour rebellion consists of 100+ MPs it's actually quite possible the government could lose the vote. Of course, we'll have to see how many of the 100 or more Labour MPs who are apparently opposed to the cuts actually vote against the government, but if they hold their nerve and do it there is a real chance the government could lose. Though if they think they're going to lose the vote - or if they think there's even a significant possibility they could lose - I suspect the vote would be pulled and they'd go back to the drawing board in the hope of coming up with something their own side find less objectionable.
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    · 1 days ago
    Cons desperate in need of voters for the next GE.
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    · 1 days ago
    SLB, How is it going on the X front?
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      · 7 hours ago
      @SLB Thanks for doing the shovel work, well, more like a back hoe, but point stands. I read you to previously say you were looking for MP X handles to tag them into posts, and needed some help with sourcing. I have 2 huge lists of Twitter handles (some w/emails) and I would venture that with the site changing to X, handles would not have changed. I'm not on X, but if you want these lists, how would I get them to you? I could give urls, but posting them where (here?) is permitted?


      I do wish that more MPs (and the media!) were aware of and talking about the fact that it isn't just UC and PIP claimants who will be affected by cuts. Other claimants affected will be those in receipt of DLA, Incapacity benefits (about 3m families), and pensioners still claiming PIP
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      · 22 hours ago
      @Yorkie Bard Lots of attention on the third volume of tags from the public (4pm must be the time to post!).  One MP has contacted me, asking me to email her.  So that's a start I guess!
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    · 1 days ago
    IS the ss budget not ringfenced.?
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      · 1 days ago
      @C No not ring fenced it's not like national security.
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      · 7 hours ago
      @Slb Thanks for that, would not have seen it otherwise.
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      · 11 hours ago
      @Slb Love that they're called out for saying they can't use 'it's too hard' as an excuse. Pathetic department. 
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    · 1 days ago
    It's plausible but not likely to happen. That said, the Tories seem to be opposing everything Labour does no matter how stupid the position is, and voting against the Green Paper is not a stupid position at all, rather it could be a strategic move (read: lie) to make the Tories appear more compassionate than Labour on their highly unpopular proposals.
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      · 22 hours ago
      @Chris C It is a statistical and fact of policy that the Tories would have been more compassionate than Labour.

      Current claiments would never have had to do another WCA review again under the Tories.
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    · 1 days ago
    I just want to confirm that my X post with the disability benefits explainer has now tagged/mentioned 300 Labour MPs.   I confess I've learned a lot from it with regards to reaching people with social media posts. I posted the first two posts (50 MPs tagged in each) yesterday lunch, and it got 350 views.  I posted the third post at 4pm, and it has 10,000 views and 350 reposts.  Timing is everything, it seems!
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      · 11 hours ago
      @Yorkie Bard I mean 5lbs... Its early
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      · 11 hours ago
      @Yorkie Bard haha! So SLB is £5 and i'm 'Fungi' when autocorrect sneaks in. Tee hee...
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      · 21 hours ago
      @SLB Awesome. Is there a link?
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      · 1 days ago
      @SLB SLB - I prefer it when you are shown as SLB. When I see Slb - I read it as five pounds!

      Any feedback yet to you gallant effort?
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      · 1 days ago
      @SLB Thank you for all your hard work 
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    · 1 days ago
    Even if you're not a carer and/or don't have a carer, signing this letter still raises the issue of the PIP 4 point rule and UC health element cut. PLEASE SIGN! At the moment there are only 1600+ signatures. Email it to your MP as well if you can. 

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      · 1 days ago
      @gingin I have just signed that letter to the prime minister 
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      · 1 days ago
      @gingin Yes, please please sign, share, do whatever it takes, this is so important to us carers. Thanks gingin for bringing it to our attention. 
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    · 1 days ago
    I'll be happy enough if the Tories do vote against the PIP cuts but let's face it, they won't be acting on some worthy principle. It will simply be to undermine Labour for their own benefit. The Tories were quite happy to propose a voucher system for goodness sake, so their vote would just be a fine example of the duplicitous, two-faced hypocrisy that pervades all politics.

    Still, a win is a win, however achieved!
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    · 1 days ago
    Yes we know that the Tories would have brought in more tougher rules and cuts regarding the welfare bill if they had still been in power, but this bit of news is welcome, we need every mp to vote against these proposals as many as we can get, regardless if they want to use it for political gain. 
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      · 19 hours ago
      @Ann The idea that some are saying that the Tories were better doesn't really hold up. 

      Those of us that are transferring from ESA to UC will, eventually, lose hundreds of pounds a month - we just won't notice it so much because of the transitional protection, but that means our benefits aren't rising with inflation for a significant number of years. 

      Those that went on Tory-instigated UC to start with were hundreds of pounds worse off than those on the old system.

      The Tories also ditched the financial element of LCW of UC back in 2016 or 2017 (resulting in Iain Duncan Smith resigning his role in protest).   

      The bedroom tax was brought in 2012 - and in my own case accounts for close to £100 of rent I have to pay.  I'm sure others are in a similar position.  

      The benefits cap started in 2013.  

      The two-child benefit cap was brought in during 2017. 

      And, no doubt, if they had stayed in power, they would have tackled disability benefits in one way or another, too.  I don't think they'd have the sheer nerve to bring in the voucher system, and probably wouldn't have dared to cut so much where Labour are cutting, but big changes would have happened either way.  Would we have lost £700 a month through PIP changes and UC changes?  Probably not - but only because - wait for it - Labour would have opposed and the Tories didn't have the majority they needed. 

      In other news, dear old Liz is now telling us she is saving the welfare system.  Three cheers for Liz! 
      https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/20/liz-kendall-dwp-double-down-labour-disability-benefit-cuts
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      · 22 hours ago
      @Ann Simply not true. They hadn't done it in 14 years and apart from the voucher idea, which would never have taken wings, they have been far kinder on benefit claiments.

      This is factual, not just an opinion.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Ann Why didn't the Tory's bring in more welfare cuts when they were in power for 14 years
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      · 1 days ago
      @Ann @Ann oh yes the tories I remember them now with the dla to pip saga the esa wrag cuts the shambles of universal credit the bedroom tax the 2 child limits the list goes on and on if they want to help then that’s fine like you just said just shows how 2 faced they all are 
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    · 1 days ago
    I bet any money these so called 'concessions' won't actually benefit us sick and disabled in the slightest. Forget concessions, we need a full stop to all of these reforms! How does a "concession" of giving the one off winter fuel payment to the elderly benefit me as a middle aged disabled person who is about to lose my entire income, it doesn't benefit me at all!
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    · 1 days ago
    "The labour leadership are said to be considering a number of ways to buy off the rebels. These include changes to the winter fuel payment means-test, changes to the two child limit or changes to the benefits cap. " So in other words they won't budge on letting us keep our disability benefits and thus the sick and disabled are being thrown under the bus yet again regardless?! I am furious.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Dpb999 Exactly what I said they would do some weeks ago.  I knew this would be their plan to placate just enough.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Dpb999
      "" - So in other words they won't budge on letting us keep our disability benefits and thus the sick and disabled are being thrown under the bus yet again regardless?! I am furious."

      It sounds as though they're going to give some ground on the WFA in the hope that this will buy off MPs opposed to the disability cuts so the latter get through. That doesn't mean it will work. If the Tories vote against the cuts and the Labour rebellion is big enough - and it does seem to have been growing over the last couple of months - then they may have to budge, whether they like it or not.
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    · 1 days ago
    I think the easiest way to explain this to those who seem surprised or disbelieving that the Tories could oppose these plans is simple: they want votes. Particularly from pensioners who are going to be dealt a double blow from the WFA being means-tested and the uncertainty as to whether or not they'll have their PIP cut too under these new rules and may feel inclined to turn to Reform.

    Remember how Timms, Kendall and Starmer openly criticised benefit cuts when they were in the opposition and therefore wanted votes? It's the exact same situation here.

    Or perhaps - in the pettiest terms - the Tories just want to see Labour lose out on what is being perceived as a major vote so they can call Starmer out on his weakness and his inability to "keep their house in order". And if the disabled have to be used as a means to an end, so be it.

    Obviously, I'm no fan of the Tories but - at the same time - what I wouldn't give to see Starmer, Reeves, Timms and Kendall lose out on this vote and be pictured by the press walking about with hangdog looks that clearly read "wow, as if I have to go away and redo my homework on why some of the most vulnerable of society should be rendered even more worse off!". 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Dez
      "Or perhaps - in the pettiest terms - the Tories just want to see Labour lose out on what is being perceived as a major vote so they can call Starmer out on his weakness and his inability to "keep their house in order". And if the disabled have to be used as a means to an end, so be it."

      That's certainly part of it. I would think it's also partly because these cuts have not proven to be as popular with the public as right wingers probably assumed they would be. While the WFA cut is the most unpopular measure and has had the biggest cut through, with a public rating of about -80, the polling I saw on disability cuts had public opinion on about -40. That's still significantly unpopular, and that's before the cuts have even been voted on, let alone implemented.

      There's also the point that if the government does lose the vote - and it could happen, since the Tories voting against together with a Labour rebellion of 100+ MPs could well be enough - then it will be clear that significant cuts to disability benefits will not pass the Commons. In that case Reeves will have to go back to the drawing board and thieve £5billion from somewhere else. Whatever spending cut or tax rise she came up with as an alternative, you can be sure the Tories would eagerly attack it.
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    · 1 days ago
    Yeah they said they were opposing it at the recent PIP cuts debate. Just scanned through to confirm. Watch it at 1hr 18mins the conservatives guy speaking says so less than a minute of that point.
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    · 1 days ago
    Just maybe now all this talk today about EU deal perhaps maybe the European human rights will help get rid of these cruel and inhumane cuts to disabled people I’m hoping a just maybe perhaps that’s why conservatives have now gone against the green paper disaster proposals. Thanks for your time reading my post 
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    · 1 days ago
    If the Tories do vote against the green paper it will of course be utterly cynical and opportunistic. But we have to take what we can get - and it would certainly increase the chances of the government losing the vote, especially with reports that there are now 100 or more labour MPs who are opposed to this nonsense. If it seriously looks like they might lose, they could either be forced into a total climbdown (here's hoping) or at the very least make some very significant changes.
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    · 1 days ago
    Commentary in Guardian today:

    Did Starmer’s supporters expect such an agenda – one as gruesomely reactionary as it is bereft of an obvious electoral base of support? Did they believe it would prove so devoid of principle as to allow Farage to dictate the national political conversation before they’d even completed one year in power?

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      · 1 days ago
      @Gingin Excellent article. Well worth reading
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      · 1 days ago
      @Gingin Such a good article.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Gingin Sends shivers, doesn't it?
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