The DWP revealed in oral evidence to the work and pensions committee last week how long most people delay after receiving their managed migration letter, before making a claim for universal credit.

Neil Couling, head of UC at the DWP said that there are two peak periods for claiming in the three month window after a claimant receives a managed migration letter:

25% claim as soon as they get the migration notice

60% to 70% claim in weeks 12 to 13.

In other words, two thirds of claimants leave it as late as possible after getting a migration notice before putting in their UC claim.

Couling was explaining why the “enhanced support journey” in which the DWP put in additional support for potentially vulnerable claimants, does not begin until week 12 after an ESA claimant has received their migration notice.

The enhanced support journey involves the DWP making three attempts to contact a claimant by phone, if they have not made a claim for UC by week 12.  If these attempts fail, a home visit is arranged.  In the meantime, the DWP say they do not end the legacy benefits claim. 

According to Couling “What we do not do at week 13, if we have not made the phone calls or the visit has not happened, is cut the claim off. We have the facility to extend claims, and in those circumstances we extend the migration notice period.”

The DWP say that the number of visiting officers has doubled from 350 to 700 and that overall they are now carrying out around 30,000 home visits a month.

Meanwhile, Citizens Advice Help To Claim Service is supporting around 5% -7% of all managed migration claimants.

Many claimants who get a telephone call from the DWP are simply referred to the Help To Claim Service, but of 69,000 who have gone through the enhanced support journey so far 28,000 have been referred for a home visit.

Couling told the committee that these 28,000 “have not responded to the telephone calls, perhaps we have not been able to contact them, or they have just said that they do not know what to do, so we have put them out for visits and we are now working our way through those visits.

“The plans for the rest of this year and the coming year have this enhanced support journey at their core because we must do everything we can to ensure that claimants on ESA, who are typically more vulnerable than the previous cohorts we have been working through, make their way safely on to Universal Credit.

“We are very focused as an organisation on making sure that happens. We have put the resources behind all this activity. We are ready to do it.”

One issue that was not clear from the evidence was, if a claimant responds to a phone call and is given details of Help To Claim but still fails to make a claim, will there then be a further follow-up?

Benefits and Work would be very pleased to hear from claimants who have been on any part of the enhanced support journey.

You can read the full transcript of the evidence session here.

 

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    · 2 days ago
    incentives not to seek work? hwat the f? sorry, but i filled out the ESA and pip with my truth as a blind person and got into the sg of ESA and higher rate of pip. I didn't have to ham up my condition to get my beneifits, if anything pip gave me more points than I thought I'd get. the language used in the telegraph article is awful. if you live your disabiltiy on the page and the diagnosis fits, then get your entitlement, then you should get the benefits.
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    · 2 days ago
    https://archive.ph/nKdcY

    LWRCA group of UC being abolished!
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    · 2 days ago
    According to The Times tomorrow (Wednesday 18th), Liz Kendall wants to abolish the LCWRA completely!
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      · 1 days ago
      @Tss91 The papers are all negative about the sick and disabled. Stopped reading them. Liz Kendall wants to abolish the LWRCA in UC will have an uphill battle with getting passed through courts . Let's talk about MP's payrise. Don't see them rejecting this and putting the money in the pot. I feel sorry for people with mental health issues. All this doom and gloom what labour may do will push them over the edge. If people feel they could do some work that's fine. But there are people that can't. Shame on you labour.😠
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      · 2 days ago
      @jamd01 Three things I think we must have in mind:

      1) The Treasury wants the LCWRA scrapped - they have more say than the DWP

      2) Scrapping the LCWRA and placing those claimants in the bigger 'unemployed' pool will significantly increase the unemployed rate. Not a good look for the country or govt.

      3) Disability has disappeared from the conversation, everything the govt and media say re benefits is now "illness/sickness/long term sickness". Seemingly no one is on UC due to disability.
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      · 2 days ago
      @Tss91 The Treasury *also* wants the LCWRA scrapped; in fact I believe this plan started at the Treasury.
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      · 2 days ago
      @Tss91 I mean I realise that they can’t not have something that fills the role of the 
      might try abolishing it 
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      · 2 days ago
      @Tss91 Reading the article **she may** with them losing court cases so far i can't see this happening any time soon or if it even happends.
      Liz talks about work work work!! those in LWRCA are not fit for work some most may never will be.

      If this goes ahead this will cost even more money with tribunals etc.

      Labour have no clue and its disgusting how they are treating us!

      from article

      ''She may abolish the highest category of universal credit health claims, known as limited capacity for work or work-related activity, which gives claimants an extra £5,000 a year and frees them from any obligation to look for work.''


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    · 3 days ago
    Actually, it may be because of issues in claiming.

    I'm currently trying to migrate and the stumbling block is actually the DWP refusing to accept my LIfetime ISA account number.

    As a LISA is a taxwrapper not technically an account, the LISA provider Moneybox doesn't provide account numbers. Instead they associate your account with your national insurnace number

    Unfortunately it's not possible to input this into the UC system, as they only accept numeric digits and the last digit of the NI number is a letter. 

    The workaround the DWP insist on is not declaring it until after the claim has been submitted but they've said this will involve a change in circumstances. Whether this would affect transitional protection is questionable but theoreitcally it could.

    One option is to close the LISA but this can take up to a month and obviously you'd lose the ability to receive the LISA bonus which for those who opened the account at 18 would be £33k in bonuses in total by the age of 50.
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    · 3 days ago
    I personally believe that, as with the transfer from Incapacity benefit to ESA, the DWP should have automatically done the the same for ESA to UC.

    This would've totally reduced the stress and worry of this complicated process.
    It's actually going to cost more for the DWP to transfer everyone over.

    Regarding contact from DWP a lot of people on ESA,myself included preferred the DWP to contact them via correspondence only, mainly due to the harrassment you'd receive when they could telephone you etc.

    Sadly Now you have to provide telephone contact details they will now have the means to bully and harrass as, sadly, from  experience some DWP workers are not very nice individuals.
    I definitely know that I'm not only one who believes this.













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      · 2 days ago
      @Michael But the decision to keep people on some element of legacy contribution based ESA was a political choice, as was to replace it with 'New Style ESA' for new claimants.

      Incapacity benefit was based on national insurance contributions. I should know I had to survive on credit cards and overdraft debt for six months when I claimed it as a suspended student in 2004, just to build up enough contributions to quality me for income support under it. 

      It was the only way I could get anything, bar housing benefit and housing although I was so new to the system I didn't realise I could claim those on low income rules, I was told I needed a passport benefit. It was awful, despite having no income I was forced to pay £600 in council tax despite technically being a student. 


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      · 3 days ago
      @Harry The difference is, Harry. It's an entirely different system and its not replacing ESA in its entirety, only those who claim some elements of ESA. So if you reveive contribution based ESA, as an example, you will still receive this elememt through the ESA.

      That's when it does become complicated. I still get a large chunk paid by ESA as I was on contribution based ESA. However, UC now pay both my housing and the 'migration protection' amount which covers the loss of my SDP & EDP elements which i received whilst on ESA. 

      TBF though, the eventual calculation was spot on, to the penny, when I received my 1st payment (s)
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    · 3 days ago
    So it’s my turn for uc migration next week got the letter 12th December and deadline 12th march am moving over 1st march about 2 weeks before last minute will see how it goes but in the beginning I’m not backing down if the Dwp start playing games such as demanding fit notes or we can’t find your esa claim I will be insisting that am moved over properly 
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    · 3 days ago
    So according to this, each visiting officer carries out roughly 43 home visits per month. I find that VERY hard to believe! 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Bob Just go to job centre they will help you on the computer
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      · 2 days ago
      @S The DWP are always break the law, as they know they are a law unto themselves, and no one can touch them.  They simply ignore high court rulings, and drag their corrupt feet.
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      · 3 days ago
      @Bob Bob , the DWP know they are breaking the law .. they know it .. bob they know it
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      · 3 days ago
      @Jamie Jamie .. Jamie Son .. you nailed it boy .. well - done , nothing but lies .
      Yours ....  s .... 
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      · 3 days ago
      @Jamie I personally think that people on ESA in support group with mental health issues should be automatically put on UC without the worry and stress. Some people say they had it easy with no issues other people I spoke to said it was to stressful and having to deal with DWP was overwhelming. When I get my migration letter I would definitely seek help to complete it. The transitional element is another problem. Why should we not get in definitely. We didn't get asked if we wanted to go on UC .
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    · 4 days ago
    I'm certainly no fan of the DWP, but tbf to them, they do pull out all the stops to make sure you're not lost in the cracks. They got to me after I simply wasn't in the correct frame of mind to complete the application or answer their calls. They eventually assisted me in my migration and my money didn't just stop, thank God.

    Migration was genuinly simple enough and im just glad it's over with now.

    Not happy about the transistional element eroding every time there is an annual uprating of benefits; so in effect I'll never see a rise in my money for years, but that's another story entirely.

    If someone isn't contactable after every attempt they try by various means, that certainly isn't the DWP's fault.
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      · 3 days ago
      @Faith Yes, it's 3 months, plus another 28 days after that before transition protection is lost (4 months in total)
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      · 3 days ago
      @Faith Honestly don't know why they are rushing to get everyone on ESA to UC . DWP are already backlogged with PIP. Can't see them finishing this year to get everyone over to UC . 
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      · 3 days ago
      @Michael Hi, it sounds like you missed your 3 month deadline, but still got "transitional protection"? 
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