Labour were forced to abandon the PIP four point rule in the final hour of today’s debate, in order to save the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill.

In the end, the bill passed its second reading with a majority of 75, with 335 voting in favour and 260 against.  49 Labour MPs rebelled and voted against the bill.  You can see a full list of the votes here

This means that the 4-point PIP rule is effectively dead after Labour made its biggest concession yet. 

Little more than an hour before today’s debate ended and voting began, Timms told the House: 

"I can announce that we are going to remove the clause five from the bill at committee, that we will move straight to the wider review, sometimes referred to as the Timms review, and only make changes to Pip eligibility, activities and descriptors following that review."

Clause 5 is the 4-point rule.

It will no longer appear in the bill when amendments are made next week.

This means that the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill no longer has anything to do with Personal Independence Payment.

The main purpose of the bill is now to take money from future recipients of the UC health element, though current claimants will not be affected, and to introduce the severe conditions criteria.

The cut to the UC health element, in itself, should have been enough for MPs to vote the bill down, but it was an issue that received much less attention.

The Timms review will now decide the future of PIP.  And if, as Labour have promised, the review is genuinely coproduced with disabled people there is very little chance of the 4-point rule ever happening. 

There is undoubtedly still danger ahead, however.  Timms was asked twice if the changes to PIP made by the review would be put into primary or secondary legislation, Timms said that would depend on the result of the review.

But, if the government chooses to put any changes in secondary legislation, MPs would not be able to amend them and would not be given a vote on them, unless via arcane parliamentary procedure.  This may be a battleground for the third reading next week.

Nonetheless, as things stand, an enormous amount of distress has been caused to millions of disabled claimants, only to end up with a bill that has entirely abandoned its primary aim.

For Timms, Kendall and Reeves, however brave a face they put on it, today has been an enormous humiliation.  For campaigners, facing a government with a massive majority and an extraordinary degree of arrogance, it has been a remarkable – though by no means total - victory.

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    · 6 hours ago
    well done to my local mp Ian lavery if there were more labour mps like him stramer kendal reeves and timms would be gone what a total farce the labour party are i'll never vote labour again they are clueless liars who are not fit to govern and target the wrong people and they forget who got them electedstephen timms is a disgusting man his comments about disabled people are shockingand the fact he is disabilie minister shows how heartless and out of touch the labour party are a rich cabinet who don't know a thing about daily stuggles
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    · 6 hours ago
    Well done to everyone who fought hard against the bill. This is a terrific victory. There is still a lot of work to be done but you should always celebrate your victories. Let's face it a month ago no one expected this result from a government with such a huge majority. 
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    · 7 hours ago
    I'm more scared of what Timms has in store. He's shown his hand, and it's clear what they want to do. They'll find another way to make cuts. I will never trust them now.
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    · 7 hours ago
    I have until August to migrate to Universal Credit. Im now not sure if I get transitional protection. Do these changes come into force immediately or from November 2026? I don't think the government know either. More worrying ahead!
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      · 6 hours ago
      @Nutcracker You'll be fine, don't worry. It won't happen until 2026 as far as I understand. Certainly not by august. I hope that puts you mind at rest. 
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    · 7 hours ago
    Maybe their primary aim was to distress us.

    May we all humiliate them further.
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    · 7 hours ago
    They will all which ever party whenever, have blood on their hands. But hey, that will save em a few quid! 🤬
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    · 7 hours ago
    I look forward to some clarification as to what happened, what this all means. I'd really like to be able to sleep at night, even just for a while. 
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    · 7 hours ago
    On the plus side I'm very grateful to the Labour MP's who stood up for us throughout. That was the good side of the Labour Party. 

    Callous Liz and Calamity Reeves could have avoided all this, I have no trust in them or the PM for their shambolic, selfish, crude attempts over this bill. I still think they won't get their UC cut backs past the courts on human rights grounds. 

    However bad a week the Labour Party think they've had re this bill it's nothing compared to how bad thousands of disabled and vulnerable people have been feeling over the past few months. 




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    · 7 hours ago
    So does this mean after the timms review only new claimants are affected? Or will it affect existing pip claiments as well.
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    · 7 hours ago
    They are no longer accountable to their electorate IMO, very dark times  ahead
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    · 8 hours ago
    The confusion, disorganisation and utter chaos of this bill actually reminded me of the general PIP application process.  It’s as if the painful PIP assessment had somehow mutated and was channeling itself into the House of Commons.
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    · 8 hours ago
    Could the bill still be voted down at third reading? And is it being presented as a money bill? 
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    · 8 hours ago
    It is great that the PIP 4 points thing is off the agenda, but I am concerned about the LCWRA reduction coming. I feel there has been so much focus on the PIP 4 point thing, that the LCWRA reduction has slipped through due to being under the radar.
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    · 8 hours ago
    New pip will be way worse to get from Timms this is bad news to come in the future 
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    · 8 hours ago
    So people on the UC LCWRA group are ok for now?
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    · 8 hours ago
    From Dan hodges:

    This is how governments die. Every Labour MP, Minister and Cabinet Minister knows the welfare bill is no longer fit for purpose. But they’re going to blindly force it through anyway. Then spend the rest of the parliament saying to each other “why did we do that”.
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    · 8 hours ago
    I've thought all along that those on uc lcwra without pip needed to be defended and protected too. The thought of anyone being forced to apply for jobs and do placements and face sanctions when it reality they couldn't actually do a job and would likely be harmed by both that and not having enough money for basics. 

    Honestly I've spent the last months feeling like I was waiting to find out if I'd get a life sentence or the death penalty for the crime of being disabled. I think there may have already been deaths, I was close to being one of them. 
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    · 8 hours ago
    Don't know what the big hang up is with the 4 point rule. Assessors will still lie, whether it's 4 points , 40 points or 400 points. Makes no difference, they will still fabricate things. That's what really needs addressing imo.
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    · 8 hours ago
    "and only make changes to Pip eligibility, activities and descriptors following that review."
    Well, this is worrying. 

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