Benefits and Work has heard from a member who has received an additional £5,000 backdated working tax credit (WTC) as a result of a backdated award of PIP.  Other members are continuing to report a trickle of backdated PIP payments, ranging from £3,000 to £11,000. 

The payments are being made because of errors by the DWP.  But many claimants are being told that they may be waiting a year for a decision, whilst some have been unable to get any response at all.

The payments are in relation to a case known as MM, in which it was decided that the DWP had got the law wrong when making decisions about the PIP activity ‘Engaging with other people face to face’.

The errors relate to the difference between ‘prompting’ and ‘social support’ and also about how much time can elapse between social support and a social activity.

You can read more here about the errors that were made and who might be eligible for a back payment.

Additional working tax credit

In our update article a fortnight ago, we told readers about Midnight who received a payment of £5,000 in backdated PIP.

Midnight has now posted again to say:

“Another update for anyone who is going through this ! After my back pay was received from DWP I called HMRC and advised that I have been back dated enhanced PIP and because I was working during that time period I should have been entitled to additional Working Tax Credit!

“I have just received an additional £5.5k from them meaning in total I've had a back payment of £10.5k.This has changed my life in a way I can't even articulate, I've been able to buy a car for my family, pay off debt and can afford to live day to day without any fear of running out of money, it's made a phenomenal difference to my whole families life . . .

“Thank you to this group and everyone in it, you'll never know how much you've helped flip my whole life around”
Midnight

More backdated PIP awards

Other members have also contacted us since our last update.

“I received a payment this evenning for £3,258.08 from pip ..if this help anyone out there ...I started receiving pip at a standard rate in 2016 /17...,I need promoting to help with everything ..my medication..food toilet...I was awarded 2 points back in 2016 ..I asked them to look again in 2018  Regarding my daily living ..was told no everything's alright ...then I found out regarding the change of law regarding  to do stuff ..for yourself ..ie prompting....I did receive a telephone call from pip .., I hope this helps anybody out there on pip like me ...let me know if this helps”
David

“Just wanted to update u guys. Got a call this morning in response to the form I sent back a couple week ago and I got amazing news! £11,000 to be paid into my account in next 5 days!! Absolutely life changing! I hope anyone else who's going through this is successful. Thanks to the people who have posted on here you guys gave me hope. Here's to the future. X”
Harris

“I got a phone call on Monday to say I was due backdated money due to law change and am owed just short of £11,000. Have been given 2 extra points so now also to get enhanced rate.  She said letter being sent and money would be paid within 2 weeks. Really shocked I hadn’t contacted them at all so came out the blue. Hoping money comes sooner than 2 weeks as really been struggling financially and this will let me get back on feet and pay overdue bills and fill my cupboards up. Shocked and relieved and very thankful. Backdated to 2016.”
Al

“I believe my autistic friend is one of those who received a backdated amount for “engaging with other people”. He only answers the phone to his mum and I, and I have to handle all his affairs as he can’t make calls and freezes during appointments. He has been on enhanced for both for his last two PIP renewals so I guess the payout is from earlier years. He received £4100.”
Sue

Long delays for some

However, other posters have warned that a long wait may be in store for anyone who thinks they may be entitled to a back payment.

“I rang today and they said the reviews are taking 49 weeks. They got my review form in September 2023 and I still ain’t heard anything back yet”
Jade

“I phoned them last week regarding this matter they said I am selected to be looked at but could take a year”
Samantha

Others have been waiting considerably longer than a year:

“I contacted dwp in sept 2021 to be told im in the list to be looked at. Still waiting now march 2024.”
Miss F

Miss F got  a response form another reader who has received a payment:

“They will get to you eventually - I waited 3.5 years. They might say you are not affected as they did with me. If so, have them look at it again as I did. They then back dated what they owed me”
AA

And some readers have had no response whatsoever from the DWP:

“I contacted the DWP nurmous times about this issue, they have never got back to me, and I had sent it recorded delivery. This was signed for, so they have received my letters.”
Sidney

Benefits and Work resources

Benefits and Work members can download the following resources from the PIP guides page.

Engaging with other people review guide
A six page guide to who may be affected by the review and what to do if you think you are.

Sample letters
Sample letters for people who think they may be affected by the DWP's error in assessing people who have difficulties engaging with other people.

Video explainer
A 7 minute video explaining who may be affected by the review and what to do if you think you are.

Video transcript
A transcript of the video.

DWP Memo
A 5 page memo issued by the DWP on the subject of the changes to the law.

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  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 24 days ago
    Does a large back payment from pip stop ongoing weekly benefits payment
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    · 28 days ago
    Hi me again a case manager called me on Monday she went through some questions from 2019 then said she would be looking at it this week. Today I had 3 missed calls I thought it was pip but it wasn't but the lady on phone (not case manager) told me that my case manager alas emailed another department for extra evidence now my anxiety it through the roof I can't get it out of my head wondering if I have done something wrong
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    · 1 months ago
    I phoned them again spoke to the most lovely lady. She said it hasn't even gone to task but she did it all while I was on the phone asked me questions back to 2019 and said she will look at it this week so fingers crossed 
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    · 1 months ago
    I have just received a large PIP payment out of the blue. I've not been on PIP for 2 years and did not reapply as I could no longer face the process. 
    Very confused and worried.
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    · 1 months ago
    I have just called again spoke to david he said he will send a message to the leap team to try and get it looked at quicker so let's wait and see

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    · 1 months ago
    Hi has anyone had any updates on this I get told something different every time 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Samantha Hepworth I phoned them up on tuesday there for a update the woman I spoke to put me onto a manager the manager  told me on the phone it's date order hopes that any good to you
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    · 3 months ago
    A friend has looked into this for me, I have 8 points and was giving 2 points for engaging with other people.  
    The points for the lower standard rate is 8 to 11 points,  so does this mean that some people will get back payments only if they where on 10 points then giving another 2 points due to this new law which will take them to 12 points, this will take them to upper band payments.
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    · 3 months ago
    Hi can anyone help me my son is 34 and he DLA for life .Than it went over to pip and he has a learning disability and than pip did a call and because of his disability he didn't know how to answer the questions they were asking him and he said that the lady kept cutting him of and not letting him answer .Anyway he lost his DLA money which than made him lose his flat as he was in a 2 bedroom he had to pay bedroom tax .we asked if the council would downside his flat as he lost his money which paid his rent. He now since than suffers with mental health he is on all kind of medication and it has caused me as a mum worried if he is going be here .I appealed and again refused .HOW can u take something away when u are given it for life .They have ruined my sons life and it was onl low rate but it paid his rent . I want help to get them to admit that they treated my son awful .who can help me andrea mum x
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    · 3 months ago
    Does this only affect people in Scotland? 
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    · 3 months ago
    I've not yet received no phone call or letter if I've any backdated payments or owt 
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    · 3 months ago
    Just phoned pip leap team again to be told it will be looked at eventually by the most arrogant male ever
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    · 4 months ago
    I was told in 2020 I couldn't get back payment as I took mine to tribunal and they kept me on the same rate, in 2017, I've just had my standard rate care raised to enchanted rate last month with just a few pence under £1000 paid to me, where do I stand on this please as I don't want to rock the boat and possibly have rate lowered again
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      · 3 months ago
      @TSL I also took mine to tribunal and lost.Then cab applied for it again on my behalf,and won.Surley this should be classed as a error too,I don't leave the house find it so stressful engaging with others,terriable panic attacks and at that time I could hardly walk as was waiting on back surgery,also have fibro,I can barley remember my tribunal as I was so ill on lots&lots of medication.I just believe if they could give me it back the second time then it shows they made errors the first time.honestly we are tret like criminals infact criminals are tret better than us.Its lovely to hear these postive out comes of people getting bk dated payments,they should pay yous interest on the amount they owe everyone.good luck to everyone that's still waiting I do hope yous hear sumthink soon.Take care x
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    · 4 months ago
    The tribunal treat you like your in trial for benefit fraud and if it's all males they have much less empathy than female panel, I am A male to be clear but it didn't feel very Independant, was adjourned and still fighting the good fight 
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    · 4 months ago
    How do I make a claim for wrong decision. 
    I had my pip claim assessment with 2 points and all the time I really had motor Neurone Disease. 
    This was confirmed diagnosis after 12 months of trying g to get pip

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    · 4 months ago
    PIP used my health against me by alleging there was only a significant change in my health after a second review, despite my conditions affecting me in the exact same way for the past 15 years. My second review saw me on the enhanced rates for both care and mobility, this was due to the changes in the law being applied to this claim. I appealed and lost. I estimate I lost over £7k that could have made a huge difference. I gave up on PIP 2 years ago, the process almost killed me and I couldn't face it any more. I would rather be broke and unable to get any help than be left at the mercy of the crooked system. 
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    · 4 months ago
    Can anyone help and let me know is this to do with mobility part of pip? And if it is this due to going out ect? I am on low rate but struggle to get out and about and plan journeys ect things like that. So not sure if it’s worth giving a call or that? Thanks x
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    · 4 months ago
    I have been trying to get PIP to reconsider my  award, I had enhanced and lost it for some reason, I called them and asked way, but they couldn’t tell me way more than I can manage surtan tings, 
    And I sad Nothing have change with my disability, 
    I have been reading about the changes on what you can get help with like
    Hearing problems, and few other s
    I don’t like mingling with strangers I rather be indoors, alone.
    I like to get help with the application form to try again, 
    I have lost everything I had, 
    I have the lowest pip and I think/ know that is wrong. 

    PLZ help me get it right, 


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    · 4 months ago
    Any advice on how I'd find out if I'm due any back pay? 2019 my claim is from and always been in the lower rate of daily living...any advice would help...
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    · 4 months ago
    Wondering when people get back dated 
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    · 4 months ago
    I know I've been affected by the MM judgement but dwp keep saying I'm not. I'm on daily living standard PIP and I should be getting mobility but appeal was denied
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      · 4 months ago
      @Josh I haven't received a phone call or anything off them, so I doubt I'll be getting it 
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      · 4 months ago
      @Josh I went to court to appeal my mobility element, they saw themselves how much I was struggling when I walked in the room, but I was still rejected 

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