Benefits and Work and Inclusion London have obtained counsel’s advice on possible challenges to the Pathways To Work Green Paper proposals. 

The advice suggests that at this stage there appears to be no clear or obvious route for challenge or ‘silver bullet’ regarding the ‘flagship’ elements of the policy.  Instead, individuals and organisations should focus efforts on challenging elements of the Green Paper politically as much as possible.

Benefits and Work and Inclusion London asked solicitors Leigh Day to obtain advice from counsel about the potential legal challenges to the March 2025 welfare reform proposals.  Leigh Day appointed barrister Tom Royston of Garden Court North Chambers to undertake the work.

Both Leigh Day and Tom Royston have a great deal of experience in social security law and we are grateful to them for the very detailed advice they have provided.

The advice addressed the following proposals in the Green Paper:

(I) ‘Focussing PIP more on those with higher needs’: the proposal to require at least one 4 point descriptor to be met to qualify for PIP;

(II) ‘Scrap the WCA’: the proposal to amend the process by which ill and disabled people can claim income replacement benefit, and the amount of money they receive;

(III) ‘New unemployment insurance’: the proposal to amalgamate contributory ESA and JSA into a single time limited contributory benefit;

(IV) ‘Delaying access to the UC health element until age 22’: not paying 18-21 PIP recipients any extra means tested element in UC.

Looking in summary at the above proposals, counsel told us that substantial challenges to central aspects of the envisaged legislation would ‘be likely to fall at various places along a spectrum from ‘hopeless’ to ‘challenging’.”

In other words, given the information currently available, the chances of preventing the proposals being made law or overturning them subsequently appear to be limited.

In relation specifically to PIP, a range of issues were considered, including - but not limited to -the decision not to consult on this measure, challenges under the Human Rights Act 1998 and challenges under the Equality Act 2010.  But the probability of any challenge succeeding in relation to the PIP 4-point rule specifically was considered to be low and heavily dependent on circumstances.

Counsel did stress, however, that there may well be successful legal challenges in the future to elements of the above proposals, but these are likely to be to “contingent aspects of the proposals which emerge along the way, rather than to the elementary principles which were clear at the start.”

In other words, if the laws are enacted, then the courts may have a major role to play in examining the way they are interpreted and implemented but not in upsetting the basic foundations, such as the PIP 4-point rule. Benefits and Work will aim to support any such challenges in any way it can.

We are not able to publish the advice at present and we should add that it applies only to the four issues listed.  The Green Paper contains many more proposals that were not covered.

In addition, we did not ask for advice on whether the current Green Paper consultation is lawful, because our initial enquiries are primarily about proposals which are not being consulted on.

We know that this news will be greeted with considerable dismay by many readers, who had hoped that the courts could prevent such clearly cruel and discriminatory proposals coming into force.

Sadly, there seems unlikely to be ‘silver bullet’ or straightforward legal answer.

Instead, by far the best hope of preventing these cuts is to persuade MPs to pledge to vote against them, as evidence grows that the Labour Party is struggling to contain a rebellion.

As one Labour MP, Neil Duncan-Jordan, who won his seat with a majority of just 18 votes but who has 5,000 constituents receiving PIP, told the Guardian  “The whole policy is wrong. It goes without saying that if these benefits cuts go through, I will be toast in this seat.”

More facts about the effects of the cuts are being uncovered with each passing week. 

Making MPs, especially those with slim majorities, aware of how dramatically the cuts will affect claimant’s lives provides the best hope that they will never come to pass.

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    · 1 days ago
    @Anon, re your long post below about the proposed new pip assessment, which, if correct, would make a lot more sense (not justification!!) of the government's thinking, since it seems it would not just be a matter of trying to upgrade our existing points, could you answer these questions?

    1) What is your source? 
    2) Do you know which activities will be assessed?
    3) Do you know whether the assessment for each activitiey
    could never mitigate their losses, mean that they would qualify as a specific group discriminated against?


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    · 1 days ago
    Whilst I hear what you say about lobbying local MPs, mine (a Labour MP) does not bother to reply if the issue I write to her about runs contra to party policy. No idea how to get around this.
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      · 2 hours ago
      @Lunip It's still worth e-mailing them. Even if they don't reply they will still read it. Stating that they won't have your vote next time round if they vote for the cuts will probably get their attention: nothing focuses a politician's mind more than the prospect of losing votes, and hence potentially their seat.
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    · 1 days ago
    I’m really confused.  I currently get ESA support group and PIP.  I don’t have 4 points on PIP.  Under the changes will I lose both PIP and ESA?
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      · 17 hours ago
      @Anony "Attend weekly interviews at a job centre and keep trying to get job interviews" is no long sufficient to get the "standard universal credit", which is Jobseekers' Allowance, as it has lately been made time limited benefit and many Jobseekers' Allowance claimants are sanctioned before they even get their first payment.

      Keir Starmer and his clowns are self-centric evil.
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      · 17 hours ago
      @Coliin
      "All health elements of uc will be removed if you do not get daily living, that's the facts"
       
      It is not yet at all clear if or how the LCWRA changes will affect existing claimants. The elements of the green paper I referred to certainly suggest that if you have a WCA prior to 2028 and still have LCWRA following that reassessment then your LCWRA will not change at all. At the very least it can certainly be interpreted that way and until the government gives us some clarity on this point we simply do not know one way or the other.
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      · 18 hours ago
      @Ernie Ok didnt know that.
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      · 18 hours ago
      @tintack All health elements of uc will be removed if you do not get daily living, that's the facts
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      · 18 hours ago
      @Anony Yes but make sure you get pip mobility
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    · 1 days ago
    ‘the enhanced rate is intended for individuals with at least one area of severe or profound impairment, rather than moderate challenges spread across multiple domains’

    What conditions classify for severe or profound impairment?

    The court system will collapse if these reforms are implemented.

    Extremely worrying also that more cruel cuts are planned in the October budget. When will it stop?
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      · 20 hours ago
      @keepingitreal Yes,I got 2 points over 6 questions making  12
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      · 1 days ago
      @ellen Not really,I get enhanced but all 2 points over 6 questions giving me 12 points
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      · 1 days ago
      @ellen Can't be sure, but read somewhere that it is likely to be something like late stage multiple sclerosis, motor neurone disease, advanced cancer and profound learning disability (eg, Down's syndrome), perhaps a few others but when they mean severe/profound it essentially means around the clock care. Hence most will fail the four point test.
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      · 1 days ago
      @ellen Well if that was the intention it has failed: it's possible to score 12 or more without even any 4 point descriptors, ie from having "moderate challenges spread across multiple domains". 
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    · 1 days ago
    So our best bet is not challenges in court over human rights issues - but mass amounts of Labour MPs growing a conscience?

    Sounds like this is 99.9% happening and hundreds of thousands of us are f**ked

    How do the disability community not have a solid human rights case against the gov?
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      · 1 days ago
      @D We are no longer part of the EU and no longer have a written constitution which we had when we were part of it. We are now back to being subjects of the king and because Britain does not have a written constitution whatever parliament legislates is law. We are however members of the ECHR and they can look at the human rights aspect as well as the UN.  This is why our politicians have been attacking the ECHR  and the way they are going I would not be surprised they will also moan about being in the UN! What we lack is a clear set of civil rights like most republics do in the world 
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    · 1 days ago
    We all need to accept that what ever your disability they will not spare you. If they can get you off benefits usually at assessment or reassement by companies THE GOVERNMENT pays they will even it is just till you win at appeal.
    They seem to spent considerable time coming up with changes that cannot be stopped by legal challenges. All in all what they propose is nasty unfair and in my opinion wicked.
    The only thing that will change their minds is the realisation that they are losing vote share.
    Please vote against Labour in every local and by election. Contact your Labour Mp tell them why you will not vote for them
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    · 1 days ago
    Fact is Judicial review has regarding some of the initial green paper proposals already been achieved and upheld in the High Court under Judicial Review. Refer to Ellen Clifford and the brave stand that she made against the Tories. Over the scrapping of limited capability for work and/or support group, on what is to become the historic income related ESA. I DID hear that Starmer and co., have NOW decided to NOT, for the moment scrap this element as they initially proposed to do. AGAIN because they already KNEW that to continue with that part of the proposals at the green paper stage that they would likely face Judicial review from millions of disabled, whatever the conditions because precedent has already been achieved in the High Court regarding that. 

    Which is WHY the Labour Government already KNEW that they could NOT go down the SI route and indeed WHY they have made the decision to go down the route they have. To make it Law (re Act of Parliament). They KNEW that to go via SI although quicker that WE ALL in our  own right as the Disabled, long term/permanent sick and unwell and the mentally ill would have taken them to Judicial Review.

    I do STILL wonder IF OR NOT at this green paper stage if there is some legal form of redress to STOP these proposals in their tracks,  but for the life of me I am UNABLE to think of a way same as the Counsel that this site for US all has sought opinion on.

    The only way that Starmer, Kendall, Reeves and the rest can go about this is via initially the green paper consultations and then white paper to commons then to Lords and then back to commons again to be passed as Law and at that point to overturn it would be virtually impossible it would have to be challenges along the way as this site has sought chambers opinion on.  

    Therefore, I HOPE someone DOES have the legal knowledge to perhaps, for example, stumble across some archaic law that could STOP the green paper in it's tracks. 

    However, honestly, some of the best legal minds in the Country who specialize in welfare and social security law have scrutinized this to the last detail, indeed to the last word on all areas of the green paper proposals. For a way to STOP this via the courts.  

    There are people who THINK that Starmer and Co, did NOT get their statistics from anywhere. NOT SO the FACT is that behind our backs as the disabled they were consulting behind our backs for want of a better expression and indeed carrying on with these consultations behind our backs that the Tories had already started towards the latter end of their reign. They HAVE consulted with certain GP practices in certain geographical areas, where I live being one of them, they had consulted with various disability charities. Versus arthritis being one of them and indeed other charities, However, this was before those charities KNEW the extent of the welfare reform proposals. 

    As others have mentioned on the site, Starmer and co, were evasive on these reforms when they first came to power, avoidance of questions around it, but they KNEW from the outset what they were going to do and as such acted when the time was right.

    It is UNLAWFUL what they are doing, NO DOUBT about that but there are many lacunas in the English Legal System and indeed one legal tactic can be out smarted by another and indeed where Starmer is concerned being historically a Human Rights Lawyer and then head of the CPS of course he KNEW what he was doing. 

    I JUST HOPE THAT ALL THOSE WHO GAVE HIM THE ANSWERS THAT HE WANTED NOT THAT THEY WERE RIGHT OR NOT WHEN THEY APPROACHED CERTAIN CHARITIES AND CERTAIN PRIMARY CARE SERVICES THAT THEY ARE NOW REGRETTING SPEAKING FOR US INSTEAD OF CONSULTING WITH US. WHICH IS WHERE AGAIN IT IS UNLAWFUL THERE WAS NOT SUFFICIENT CONSULTATION THAT IS A FACT. HOWEVER, THOSE STATISTICS THEY STATE DID FACT COME FROM THOSE WHO WERE BEING CONSULTED WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE AT THE TIME.

    IT IS BEYOND CALCULATED, IT IS BEYOND CRUEL AND STARMER AND CO SHOULD BE FACING LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS BUT THEY HAVE ALREADY PREPARED FOR THAT!
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    · 1 days ago
    More bad news tonight, sadly.  The Times are reporting that the cuts aren't going to generate as much income as first thought and further cuts to disability benefits will come before the election.   It's probably got to the stage now, though, where there's not much left to cut anyway.  But hey, better they cut money for the disabled rather than tax the rich, right?

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      · 1 days ago
      @SLB is there any way we can get to see the article without having a bloody paywall appear? After all, we're not going to have any money left soon!
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    · 1 days ago
    See how they have not allowed Gordon Brown to comment anywhere  about the evil changes.
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    · 1 days ago

    Looks like Angela Rayner has been at it again since I watched her do the same last week.

    This whole idea of her threatening to resign, I don't know where that came from, but she certainly doesn't sound like that is her plan now!
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      · 14 hours ago
      @Dave We can only hope.  The only thing then is what do we end up with after him and the when the next general election comes.  If we get Tories, Reform or if they get a coalition together as the Tories have been talking of then we're in an even worse situation.
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      · 20 hours ago
      @Mick We did hear on the radio a couple of weeks ago, the bookies are predicting Stammer will be gone within next few months + the apparently the only thing that has saved him till now, is Ukraine. 

      I wouldn't be surprised if Angela Raynor is working with the rebels to get rid of him.
      If Stammer goes, Reeves will soon be following him.
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      · 23 hours ago
      @Dave
      I guess it's possible she could vote against even though publicly she is toeing the party line.  I'd be very surprised if she did though.  You never know, it might be a dagger in the back from her and she's hoping to take the job of party leader and PM.  Maybe she knows there's going to be a massive rebellion and that they're planning to get rid of Starmer, maybe even Reeves and Kendall and others.  We can but hope.

      If she does vote against and is secretly leading a rebellion, of course it's going to come out eventually.  I think it's too much of a risk and could be a career ending disaster if it were to fail.  I just cannot see her taking that risk, unless she already knows that the rebellion is in place and will be so huge it can't fail.  I wouldn't advise anyone to be holding their breath in hope!
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      · 1 days ago
      @Mick The Canary suggests voters should "demand a return to genuinely supportive and empathetic governance". A return? Remind me someone - when was it we had that?

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      · 1 days ago
      @Mick I did reply but my pst suddenly vanished as I posted it sorry. I will try again now.

      We read in the Manchester Evening  News that Angela  Raynor, Lucy Powell  + Ed Millband had threatened to resign if the cuts go through.

      Lucy Powell is our local MP + judging from the past she will not be happy with this plan for the cuts. Lucy Powell is still dealing with the DWP + the council re; my partners uncle + Lucy recently used the words ridiculous re: the DWP email to her. 

      I didn't see that interview sorry.
      But was Angela Raynor speaking on behalf of the Labour Party or herself? I don't know how this works re; MPs. 
      But as you said she was giving an interview. She was not voting; which box will she walk through on the night of the vote?

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    · 1 days ago
    They will see a Rebellion as their vote share goes down. Not one Mp wants to lose their lucrative job.
    No one is safe no matter what your condition or disablement is.
    They always throw genuine cases off benefit when these kind of attacks are made on us. They will leave you without support for up to a year in the purgatory of reconsideration,appeals and reapplication. They don't not care if you have no food or face losing your home. They will not take pity and help you.
    Literally we all need to tell their Labour Mp that they will never  get your vote again unless they publicly announce opposition to the cuts. Of course some Mps like mine did will ignore you. If they do you know they aren't interested in helping you you never vote for them again. It will all add up some cling to their jobs by the narrowest of margins.
    Please use the one thing they haven't taken off us yet!
    Vote against Labour in every local, council and finally General election.


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      · 1 days ago
      @Arthur Hi Arthur

      I AGREE with you but whether or NOT there is ENOUGH rebellion to get these green paper proposals thrown out or NOT I do NOT anyone has a clear number of how many back bench MP's will FULL ON REBEL! The move to allow them to just abstain if they were against the green paper reforms was just another deployment of manipulative tactics deployed by starmer, reeves, raynor kendall and co, 


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    · 1 days ago
    I jus had my review award . Continue Enhanced for both but for 10yrs.  
    However 2 of my descriptors were previously 4 and this time they are 3. 
    Tempting to jus take the 10yrs and not submit MR .. I doubt I'll be here in 10yrs. 
    But you can't trust them not to take away award when new rules come in 
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      · 7 hours ago
      @Gilgamesh There is only one 3 point descriptor.
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      · 19 hours ago
      @Anon A It has dawned on Tom + I today; Could all this messing with the benefits be a ludicrous + clumsy attempt by this government to try + trip people up? If so it's going to work spectacular + will blow up in the faces of this government.

      After a few anxious weeks + with the help of our MP Lucy Powell, the DWP finally phoned us concerning Tom's uncle + him migrating over to Universal credit from the ESA. The DWP finally accepted + are now going to arrange an officer to call on him + their words support him onto Universal credit + they will now extend the deadline date of his ESA, that was due to end next week. It has been nothing short of ridiculous few weeks with the DWP refusing to even listen to Tom, concerning his uncle. I personally had given up hope that Gary was going to lose his benefits.
      But today they actually phoned us + even spoke to both of us.

      I did try to enquire concerning any changes to his PIP: But even the DWP officer did not know what would be happening + he himself said 2 of the planned changes were unworkable. That alone shows the slap dash way it's been done.

      This ludicrous idea will get people off benefits but not into work, they will be left destitute + it's a disgusting way to treat anyone.
      Which direction to the workhouse? 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Gilgamesh I wouldn't rock the boat,they could change it in a way you don't want,10 yrs is great,I have ongoing to be looked at after 2033,question is,will they honour the 10 yr/ ongoing awards or are they going to keep calling us in for a " check up" I just can't help feeling that noone is going to be safe or no award guaranteed after Nov 26
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      · 1 days ago
      @Gilgamesh My approach would be take the money! The 10 year arrangement should stand, but even if it doesn't, right now you don't have to fight. If and when you need to fight...fight!
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      · 1 days ago
      @Gilgamesh Congratulations, but seek advice on the downgrading of your points.
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    · 1 days ago
    I have a really bad disease they call it I am on injections every month and it's totally dibilates me however  I work part-time but had to give my teaching job up because of my illness yet when I applied for pip they as good as said because I. The interview I was confident and can move around I didn't get awarded it it's so wrong my  even my consultant thinks this is penalised as I have full support from the hospital  but in the eyes of the DWP I am okay lol joke 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Annmarie Please ask them to reconsider + maybe even appeal it.
      In 2017 my partners uncle was originaly refused PIP  with a ludicrous reason he did not attend an interview over in Birkenhead, we live in Manchester. My partners uncle is riddled with arthritis + they somehow presumed he could get it. With the help of the CAB we asked them to reconsider. It was pointed out to them he has arthritis  + was nearly house bound + asked them to explain how he can get to Birkenhead, they then suddenly decided he was now entitled to PIP + they awarded him diffrent points + paid him. When he was next up for review they themselves came out to see him + agreed he still entitled to PIP. Good luck.
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    · 1 days ago

    This post has now been removed as no source has been forthcoming for the contents.
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      · 2 hours ago
      @leapoffaith please don't panic.  Look on Scope, who have legal experts who know what the new proposed system is. Someone else has said on here, Scope have said only 8 points are needed, one 4 point and 2 others.  You can also ring the Scope helpline for help with this, whose advisors are trained in welfare rights.
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      · 2 hours ago
      @Moose Yes, this!
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      · 2 hours ago
      @Anon People have already expressed severe distress at reading this. One even said they had been awake all night trying to find reference to what you are saying.  Others have said there is no reference to this in the Green Paper. Again, can we try and avoid saying things without clear reference and only reference anything directly from the Green Paper as anything else is pure speculation that is obviously causing such distress to people already under a lot of strain. Very serious!
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      · 17 hours ago
      @Anon It’s a total of 8 points not 12 that is needed - with a 4 being needed in the 8 - I.e 2,2,4

      From the Scope website -
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      · 21 hours ago
      @leapoffaith Hi, I think there is some confusion.  There is no "new three tier system".  What the government is proposing is that you can only get the daily living component of PIP if you have scored 4 or more points in one of the descriptors.     
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    · 1 days ago
    Then if there's no legal recourse, civil disobedience is a duty. 
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    · 1 days ago

    Another scam APPG filled with people who are all for the cuts.
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      · 23 hours ago
      @Gingin
      It sounds like the one you're attending is a different one to the one I posted, gingin.

      As far as I know the APPG's/selected committees are made up of cross party MP's and Lords.  Any of them can sign up if they have a particular interest in the group/subject at hand in that particular committee.  I don't think they are just temporary, unless they disband because the particular matter they are dealing with is closed/dealt with/completed.  I could be wrong though, as I'm not versed in all parliamentary affairs.

      These lot, as DJ has said, are slippery fish.  It's clear that Starmer and Co. Have very carefully plotted everything out knowingly to avoid any way to stop them.  Bunch of sly, conniving, sickos that they are.  They've infiltrated as many areas as they can between them and their think tanks, committees, so called (non) disability groups and charities, advisors, been training up on rhetoric, language, repeat, dodge, tactics etc, etc.  Everything seems to me to point to them having all of this well sewn up in advance.  Starmer made it clear he's going all the way as he said "I like a good fight".  He knew there was going to be backlash, legal challenges and all the rest of it and was more than happy to "fight".  They're going to twist and turn and outright lie, as they have already done so many times.

      What it needs is a room full of deeply knowledgeable disabled people, who know every nuance and exactly what this is going to do, live on TV at prime time, to have Starmer, Reeves, Kendall for a good 3 hours to give them a proper public thrashing.  Show the public and other MP's the truth and reality of this.  The real numbers, the real outcomes, the real home truths and effects and not allow them to slip, slide and wriggle around anything the way they do.  Have a disabled host who gives them no quarter.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Gingin Yes you would be a good person for the group to hear. God bless you.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Mick I could be wrong, but as far as I understand select committees are formed to examine a particular issue and are therefore temporary. The Carers APPG I am attending is different- it meets 4-5 times a year and has existed for over 10 yrs. As the name suggests, it’s made up of MPs from different parties. The Chair of the Carers APPG has extensive knowledge and expertise of carer issues and the group is unanimously against the proposals as they stand. Carers UK was elected to manage their meetings and they’re inviting me and possibly one other carer to speak about our personal experiences. Carers UK are urgently mounting a campaign against the cuts. The secretary for the group told me that they feel the cuts will likely go ahead but they are hoping for mitigations. 

      I don’t see this meeting as a whitewash like the select committee as I haven’t seen it publicised anywhere, so it wouldn’t be much good as a publicity stunt. The membership and remit was explained in detail to me. I was invited after sending an email to the APPG explaining my alarm and distress at these proposals and I think the secretary felt I raised the pertinent points in an effective way, so I would be a good person for the group to hear. 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Mick Hi Mick

      I thought I was the only one who had picked up on the APPG on this site.

      I THINK that you are absolutely correct.

      There are certain arenas/forums whatever you want to call them that ARE NOT presenting themselves as what they appear to be!

      Whilst I ADMIRE all that are engaging and basically giving their piece of mind to these proposals I DO think that a little caution is at this stage required.

      Perhaps, it is NOT so much of I am here to help mission but more a case of certain entities, or whatever you want to refer them as, is a case of they are pretending to help but actually all that is going on, in my opinion, is lip service and a chance for them to get the 'heads up' on public opinion to then be able to feed back to the powers that be, re Starmer and co., that this is the next wave of public outcry as such giving them them the power to pre-empt and be able to throw it back in the faces of the disabled, sick, mentally ill etc..,
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    · 1 days ago
    There is a clear legal pathway to challenge the Pathways to Work Green Paper through judicial review on grounds of unlawful consultation and breach of statutory duties owed to disabled people 
    https://publiclawproject.org.uk/latest/high-court-victory-for-plp-client-over-dwp-consultation-on-disability-benefit-reforms/?

    The principal legal bases include illegality (misleading or inadequate consultation), procedural impropriety (insufficient time and failure to engage meaningfully) and breach of the Public Sector Equality Duty under s.149 of the Equality Act 2010 

    Big Issue Legislation.gov.uk. 

    Complementary human-rights arguments arise under the Human Rights Act 1998 (Art. 14 ECHR discrimination) and the UK’s obligations under the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities 

    The Guardian. 


    A successful claim could quash the proposed reforms, force a lawfully conducted consultation or, at minimum, secure binding recommendations that reshape or halt the flagship cuts 

    The Independent.

    Do not give solicitors the wrong advice we need legal challenges no matter what the cost is to bring them to court, because if this does not happen millions of people will die many will commit suicide.

    It is a complete joke to say they want people out of pip that is not even a working benefit 1 billion a year will not support getting sick people into work.

    Even half of the 3.6 million PIP recipients were offered equivalent support, the cost would balloon to over £27 billion/year; supporting the entire caseload would require £55–56 billion/year—over ten times the planned welfare savings and more than triple current PIP expenditure 

    If the people who are pushing these legal claims do not even realise this and say things like were sorry a legal claim wont work then they need to do better research

    It's time that we get politicians in the country who look after everyone not just the riches of society. It is time there was a new political party that does this as the current parties are all for scrapping the welfare system.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Tom Eastman I could be wrong but from what I’ve read labour are bringing this in as parliamentary law which is different to the Tory plans.  It seems they’ve been far more clever than the Tory’s and more brutal. I hope I’m wrong.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Anon Judicial Review is needed.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Tom Eastman Yes. It needs to right case or cases to mount a successful challenge. Of the many people who will be aff3cted I can’t see the likemof Leigh Day et al passing up the opportunity to get involved. Of course, it’s good to have the advice and I thank B@W for obtaining and sharing it.  It does no good for people to think this will be over quickly and painlessly. The Gov have also got their legal advice hence push8ng ahead with this. What’s needed is Judicial Review. I’m no lawyer but even I can see that by not  allow consultation on this is tantamount to the Government acting outside the rule of law. If they can do this then what is the point of having laws drafted thru parliament in the current way when they can just cut all that out and implement something?
      The best legal minds can surely challenge this?
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      · 1 days ago
      @Tom Eastman @Tom Eastman.  The only problem is the PIP changes and scrapping the WCA are not part of the consultation.  So even if the consultation was judged unlawful it would make absolutely no difference to the PIP changes.  There is no legal duty for a government to consult on legislation, but if they do then it has to be done lawfully.  That's why they didn't consult on the main issues.
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    · 1 days ago
    I wrote to my MP - really disappointed with her standard reply: 

    Dear Tracey,

    Thank you for contacting me with your concerns about the proposed reforms to the disability benefits system. In particular, I would like to extend my great thanks for sharing your personal experience living with a disability and with the disability benefits system with me. I understand that this is an issue that is close to your heart, like for many of us, and has a real impact on your life and the lives of your husband and children.

    After 14 years of damaging Conservative rhetoric on benefits and cuts, it is understandable that people are fearful about changes to the benefits system. I would however like to reassure you that the reforms announced by the government will not result in any immediate changes to anyone’s benefits.

    I am however reviewing the proposed changes carefully. The benefits system is complex, and there will be individual cases where the changes require particular scrutiny.

    The Government is, however, committed to the founding principle of the welfare state - namely that it should be there for all of us when we need it, now and in the future. That it protects those most in need, and that it delivers equality and dignity for all. There will always be some people who cannot work, and I want to assure you that the government will protect them.

    The measures announced aim to protect those who are most in need. Existing Universal Credit claimants will have their health top-up held steady in cash terms while they benefit from the higher standard allowance. The Government is also looking at ways to ensure that those who will never be able to work are afforded confidence and dignity by never having to go through reassessments and proposing an additional Universal Credit premium to offer those people the support they need.

    However, the broken welfare system we inherited from the Conservatives is failing the very people it was designed to help and holding our country back. Many sick and disabled people across the country and Carlisle want to work, and they deserve the same choices and chances as everyone else to do so.

    I welcome the action being taken by the Government to both tackle the issues that prevent people from working, and support people into good jobs. We’re investing an additional £26 billion in the NHS to drive down waiting lists, making work pay with our landmark Employment Rights Bill, and introducing the biggest reforms to employment support in a generation, with our £240 million Get Britain Working Plan.

    The Secretary of State for Work and Pensions recently announced further steps, investing £1 billion into employment support. This is one of the largest ever investments in tailored support to help people transition into work. Evidence shows that work is good for mental and physical wellbeing and it is right that we do all we can to help people take up work.

    This will come alongside a package of reform to support people into jobs and make the broken system fairer and more sustainable. I’d like to highlight a few of these measures that I believe will make a significant difference to Carlisle, our country and people’s life chances.

    First, we are rebalancing Universal Credit payments. This means increasing the standard allowance above inflation for the first time ever, with a £775 cash increase per year by 2029/30 for existing and new claimants, while reducing the health top up for new claims from April 2026, alongside active support to help people back to health and work.

    Alongside this, we will remove barriers by ensuring that going back to work in and of itself will never lead to a reassessment. This ‘Right to Try’ will give people the confidence to take on job knowing that if it doesn’t work out, they won’t have to start from scratch.

    In addition, we are consulting on a new unemployment insurance that will help people quickly get back on track if they fall out of work, giving them a higher rate of benefit.

    I would like to reiterate my thanks for your contacting me with your concerns about these proposed changes to the disability benefits system, and for sharing your story with me.

    Please be assured that I am scrutinising the proposals carefully.

    Yours sincerely,

    Julie Minns
    Member of Parliament for Carlisle and North Cumbria


    House of Commons, Palace of Westminster, London SW1A 0AA
    parliament.uk



    ________________________________
    From: T B
    Sent: 08 April 2025 20:13
    To: MINNS, julie.minns.casework@parliament.uk
    Subject: PROPOSED CHANGES TO PIP


    Good Evening Ms Minns

    I am sending this email to draw your attention to the proposed changes to the PIP

    My names is Tracey B——- and I live in ————. I am writing to you today because I am extremely concerned about the Personal Independence Payments new Daily Living 4 point rule* that will start in 2026 (for new claims and reviews).

    This is something that is particularly important to me as in June 2018, I was assaulted at work in a local primary school by a 9 year old child (who with the news as it is - had had issues with knives - to which the school, youth zone and the police were aware). I had various injuries including an arm fracture and tissue damage to my upper limbs and was taken away in an ambulance. Despite trying my best to carry on, my upper limb conditions worsened and I developed a degenerative chronic nerve pain condition called Complex Regional Pain Syndrome (CRPS) - nicknamed the suicide disease for the pain levels it causes, Fybromyalgia, a return of previous ME and other sequela conditions related to CRPS. This is incurable and has rendered me basically housebound with my husband and children becoming my registered informal carers - whom without I would not be able to get through any days.
    I have to have assistance with all personal hygiene tasks, all tasks in the house, help dressing, adaptations to the house and the list goes on. My days in bed are becoming more & more. My bathroom is being ripped out for a wet room, I have adapted toileting downstairs, walking sticks, toilet transfer frame, adapted cutlery and the list goes on. Our lives have crashed in front of us. No holidays abroad, family time, adult time and no time being able to support our daughter with her university journey - their lives being ripped away as well as my own.
    Along with this, I have been dealing with chronic PTSD since the assault - I only leave the house with support and following a spinal cord implant and neck laminectomy and 2 spinal surgeries, I now have a spinal cord injury, trouble swallowing and bladder trouble to name but a few more issues to deal with and it never seems to stop.
    When you/your team were canvassing, I did ask the gentleman for you to contact us so we could let you know about our story.
    Back to PIP, I do currently reach the threshold of upper limit of daily living for the points I earn across the form, I was just short on mobility, however, I sent in an update in December to describe the spinal injury and that I now have a walking stick as I have lost feeling down my left side and fingers. So on top of the pain being so unbearable in my upper limbs that I am extremely limited to what I can do, the list keeps getting longer.
    CRPS can be researched by looking at a very supportive charity:

    UK Charity Supporting CRPS Awareness & Support
    burningnightscrps.org

    I am due to be reviewed in October 2026 so will probably receive my review form mid year.
    I am extremely concerned that although I am in upper limit for the daily living support I need due to not being able to use my arms/hands properly, mobility issues, PTSD etc etc - my points per question were awarded as 2 which when added up gave me the higher level. There were questions that I believed I should have been awarded more points but as I had been granted daily living higher I left these, as asking for a reconsideration can sometimes reduce your award.
    I lost my job without being allowed to access my Local Government pension and had almost 20 years service and worked for local government and education most of my life.
    I loved my job and was working towards the last working 1/4 of my life where I could have reached my full career potential to retire on and that was all on track.
    I was an extremely fit, trim, busy mum, wife, gym/health fanatic and manager, mental health support, safeguarding officer etc and then boom at a blink of an eye this was all taken away whilst having to restrain an uncontrollable child beating up on another child.
    I have a huge medical team including GP, Physio, OT’s, CRPS Specialists, Psycholgy, Pain Management Consultants, Neurosurgeons, Neuro modulation Nurses, Gastrointestinal Specialists, Spinal Urology Specialists to name a few
    I would be more than happy to meet with you to discuss. As it stands if the changes go through as they are, disabled people like myself, who are unable to work through no choice of their own will LOSE this valuable support benefit. If I lose PIP, I don’t know how we will manage for my needs and that of my family needs as my carers. My son has been a young career now since he was 8 and my daughter 15 - again pushed on us without choice. Without use of my arms, weakness & no reflex in my left leg, numbness in left hand & arm, choking problems, oesophageal issues, bladder issues and a spinal cord injury - there is not a possibility that I could go back into the working world and as I’ve stated, it’s not my choice.

    I am asking you to take the following steps to address my concerns:
    • Please pledge your support to the campaign and sign this petition: https://chng.it/d6X8HvdZrQ
    • Please raise it in the House of Commons, where it will be officially recorded
    • Please fight for us, in any other way that you can - as disabled people we need a voice. I didn’t choose this to happen to me and I have worked hard all my working age life until the joy & independence this gave me was physically taken away. I live on pain medications, house adaptations, family as carers - quite indignified at times, medical appointments galore and basically in the house - our lives being a shadow of what they were - through no fault of our own. PIP is an invaluable resource & support benefit and despite currently having higher level, if the new rules go ahead I will lose this benefit and then also lose my blue badge and at that point I won’t be able to leave the house at all - any offering I have to share with the small circle of people I have left will be gone to.

    I would really appreciate it if you could let me know if and how you are able to help. If you are unable to address this personally, please can you escalate my letter to the relevant Minister or department.

    Please be aware, I am part of a very stubborn community who will work together to have a voice and many of us will be writing to our local MP’s for help.


    Yours sincerely,
    Tracey B——— disabled, disadvantaged, lost and scared about my future 
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      · 20 hours ago
      @Hollywoodmam At least you got a reply, 2 months on and I'm still waiting in the high peak. 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Hollywoodmam Hollywoodmam, that is an absolutely appalling response to you recounting your awful experiences - just how callous can they be! I’ll never forget this, Labour. We stand with you, Tracey. 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Hollywoodmam Almost a mirror image of Steve Race, Exeter.....of course, I didn't vote for him last July, and won't in the future.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Hollywoodmam Funny I received almost the same reply word for word  from my MP. 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Hollywoodmam In other words, "I'll try to blag this with a really long reply that doesn't answer the question!"
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    · 1 days ago
    The problem is that they knew which bits of their proposals were likely to risk legal challenges, and they specifically kept them out of the green paper. They will instead be passed via primary legislation, which the courts are utterly powerless against even if it does violate existing laws. 
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    · 1 days ago
    I can’t understand how they can keep Pip when it is not an out of work benefit.Just making people fail reassessment with the 4 points and then linking it to U c health,I’m sure is illegal discrimination.The uproar when £200-300 a year was taken from pensioners,some people are going to lose £10,000 a year.Whatever they say these people like myself are still disabled and cannot work.On a 10 year award here taking me beyond pension age in 2029,will this still stand?
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      · 1 days ago
      @Claire No reason currently to see why your ten year award would not stand. 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Claire Apparently it looks like Rachel Reeves has not finished with the pensioners yet, she intends to remove another 150,000 pensioners off the winter fuel allowance this year. It was in the newspaper today.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Claire No the award wouldnt stand.

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