A survey for the More in Common non-profit organisation has found that the majority of the public do not support the proposed cuts to personal independence payment (PIP) and believe cost cutting, not getting people back into work, is the main reason for welfare reform.

According to the poll, only 31% of Britons feel that the Government is trying to limit the impact of cuts on vulnerable groups, while 20% think that it is not trying, and 36% think that the Government has actively chosen to target certain vulnerable groups.

54% believe that the cuts to benefits are about saving money with only 32% considering that they are about getting people back into work.

44% of all Britons think that welfare reforms are too harsh, 28% think they are about right and only 10% think they are too soft.  If Labour hope that their welfare cuts will play especially well with Reform voters, they might be disappointed to learn that 41% of Reform voters think they are too harsh, compared to 42% of Labour voters.

When asked about specific PIP descriptors, the public disagree with Labour’s 4 point system.

74% of Britons believe that needing assistance to wash below the waist should automatically qualify someone for disability-related benefits; 72% say the same about needing help to dress their lower body; 70% say the same about needing assistance to get out of the bath or shower.

None of these are 4 point descriptors, so none of them would allow access to the daily living component of PIP.

43% of Britons think that the benefits cuts make Labour appear mean-spirited.

34% of Britons say they know someone on disability benefits and 36% of people who know someone say the proposed reforms have decreased their trust in the Labour Party to manage public finances safely, 36% say it has made no difference and only 15% say the reforms have increased their trust.

Even amongst all Britons, not just those who know a claimant, 30% say the reforms have decreased their trust and only 15% say they have increased their trust.

So, it would seem that in spite of all the bile and hatred below the line on many media websites, the public are less than enthusiastic about benefits cuts - especially for disabled claimants.

You can see a detailed breakdown of the More in Common survey here.

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    · 3 days ago
    I suspect there is a very large, and very vocal, minority who hate benefit recipients of any description.  I would be careful to believe that a majority of the public are actually against benefit cuts.  The Govt have probably already done their focus groups on this since entering office last July.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Matt Yes, + they are in government + they call themselves the Labour Party.
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    · 6 days ago
    I'm on pip, i have depression and anxiety, I also have rheumatoid arthiritus along with fibromialga, im in shock about the pip not just for me, but for all people on these benefits, my depression has got up the roof with worry, they are picking on the vulnerable, it's not right, we are still human, and do not need to be treated like this, its unfair, we've all been discriminated, and also been tricked
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    · 7 days ago
    Some  claimants started receiving PIP before reaching retirement age and have therefore continued rather than claiming Attendance Allowance. It's not just health problems that prevents those claimants from working so they're going to be left in extreme poverty if the changes go ahead.
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    · 7 days ago
    This is so stressful on top of being ill ... you gotta deal with this labuor party has put the most horrendous.
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    · 7 days ago
    1I am really stressing out over this.  I am 60 years old and have severe pain issues which cause mobility issues. Even a Dr at my appeal said I would need a wheelchair and that it wasnt viable for me to look for work as it will only get worse. Now my neck is affected and causes me to drop things and lose the use of my hands and arms occasionally .  I take tons of medication and more often than not i am too exhausted to function on a morning. None of my conditions give me 4 points but who in their right mind is going to give a near pensioner with such health issues a job?! I find it strange how if you can't reach between your shoulder blades you get it but not being able to wash your feet doesn't!!  Talk about unrealistic! I wish these illnesses would affect those who are making these decisions then they might think twice about this ridiculous thing they are trying to get done!! Disability is not the same for everyone and it's about time this government looked at that.!!!
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    · 7 days ago
    i have been getting pip for 10 years and it was a big fight i had to do to get it and now with these talks im kind of struggling over thinking my mental health is going down the drain i relay on this money for mobility issues i have had all my life i did jobs in my teens i did jobs till i got to early 20s and then my nerves set in on my mobility’s i had to fight to get pip and i started off on a low one then it took me to get a stair lift and wet room and a lot of visits to doctors and mental health teams to build up my payments to rise i have to reply on my money from pip to pay for petrol in my mobility car i have to use it for other things heating pads as i have a weak bladder and bowls i have to have my stair lift on all the time. i sleep a lot i have nerve damage in my legs and hands i rely on my family for helping me getting dressed washed in and out the shower in and out of bed to cook for me and the lies ive had in my past reports that ive had to fight for it. and now these points want to be changed i find it very difficult to understand it and ive always scored 2 or 3 on the questions so i feel like the mps need to listen up 
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    · 8 days ago
    For us disabled it's not that we don't want to work we really do it's that we can't. It's hard enough & now lots of disabled people will die or become homeless due to these cuts. It's inhumane. 
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      · 5 days ago
      @WorkshyLayabout Nah, I should have clarify that that statement is how certain sections of society think the system works. That in order to have worth and respectability, one is expected to earn them rather than people already having them as innate characteristics.

      It's not my actual opinion. 
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      · 5 days ago
      @WorkshyLayabout This is peabrained thinking.
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      · 6 days ago
      @Swede Someone's worthiness is directly related to how much they contribute to society in terms of hours worked, type of work and amount of taxes paid. The sick and disabled cannot contribute to society; they are takers from society and are considered as worthless.
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      · 7 days ago
      @Pippa Well said.  
      I want to be well enough to work, well enough to have a decent quality of life outside of work too.
      Whether someone works or not shouldn't be the perceived value of their life.  
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    · 8 days ago
    I've a spinal injury, fibromyalgia, osteoarthritis, neuralgia, neuropathy, TMD, asthma, extensive Raynauds, anxiety, depression and other issues that combine to make my life nothing more than an existence. I scored a 3 in one of the descriptors and thought i should've got more in a number of the areas but it took them nearly a year to complete my soft review so I was just relieved I got my award again and couldn't cope with even more stress of appealling the decision. It's exhausting – especially if you're on your own trying to do it and battling your conditions. Removing my pip isn't going to remove my health issues and force me into work, it'll just make me destitute and no longer want to exist... Or maybe that's the plan... 
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      · 8 days ago
      @Lifeless27 That's exactly how i feel. I have fibromyalgia & lots of other issues & I've just been awarded the higher rate. Losing £450 a month if this goes ahead which i will then need to sell my house which Is adapted and need a disabled council property which puts more strain on there finances. It's honestly made me feel so down & we feel bad enough with the suffering we already endure all day everyday. It makes me want to end it all. 
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    · 8 days ago
    You took my pip away well over a year ago and I'm still waiting to go to tribunal.   my condition continues to get worse, my jobs in jeopardy if I don't get some help soon. If I lose my job because of my condition I will then be more of a burden on the state. 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Riddled with anxiety! 😭 Can the CAB help you?  Good luck + I hope you get your PIP payments back quickly.
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      · 7 days ago
      @Riddled with anxiety! 😭 Terrible situation for you, the system is cruel.  One thing you could do in addition to what you have already done.  Write a letter to the DWP and the tribunal. Briefly list any contradictions, factual errors,questions they have not replied to. Then say something like "I am too ill to argue these points at a tribunal, but please can I respectfully ask the judge to look at the above points and tell me if I have been treated lawfully".
      It worked for me, worth a go.
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      · 8 days ago
      @Riddled with anxiety! 😭 These cuts are just going to make it worse & more people claiming benefits in another way & it's going to kill people. The system is already awful. I hope you get your pip sorted soon. 
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    · 8 days ago
    Utterly cruel.  I might score 3 points in all categories but no 4...so that means that  my osteoarthritis, my ME, my chronic pain, my anxiety, my shoulders with torn tendons have all improved so much I no longer require any support!  How can you decide I'm better by rearranging the numbers 
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    · 8 days ago
    The 4 point descriptor is shocking, I have ms and don’t score 4 on the care component, if an employer would employ me I would need to ask for help with my clothing to use the toilet, how humiliating, it’s bad enough asking for help from my husband, I don’t think this proposal has been thought out properly, we are just an easy target 😢
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      · 12 hours ago
      @C Dawson Read that even a cancer victim doesn't score a 4. I would question if anyone would score 4; Is this a secret ploy by this government to end PIP benefits? I certinally wouldn't put anything past this disgraceful government.
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    · 8 days ago
    The DWP at the moment can not keep up with renewals, MR’s and tribunals now so the back log if this green paper gets approved is going to be a nightmare for them, they will not cope with all the appeals after with new and old claims. Even now if you have already have a descriptor with 4 points, they will just reduce it to a 2/3.
    I’m helping my brother who lives alone was awarded enhanced for mobility but nothing for daily,  sent in so much evidence that they still declined so now going to tribunal.  He has early onset dementia because hes had epilepsy for 40 years and his medication has effected his brain so it is shrinking, he has absent seizures daily so he can not use an over or hob, just microwave ready meals.  I have to put his medication into pill boxes because he doesn’t remember if he has or hasn’t taken it.  Medical appointments I have to be with him because he doesn’t understand or remember what’s happening.  I do his shopping etc.  we’ve been waiting nearly a year so far for tribunal and monthly I’m sending in letters from the doctors.  Still waiting for an appointment with memory clinic.  His neurologist has told me it will only get worse.  During this last year he has rapidly gone downhill.  I’ve asked them to come and see him but no.  He’s living off his savings (which was for when he retired but has years to go) are depleting with only £300 mobility coming in.  The boat people get treated better than him.  So CHANCELLOR, would you please  tell me how you’d get him back into work!!!!!!!
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      · 17 hours ago
      @Clare Can the CAB help you + your brother to fight + get his pip money. Good luck. Also why not ask your MP to support the issue.?
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    · 8 days ago
    The government keeps making this about young people or people who don't work and helping them get jobs but this is about taking support from people with physical disabilities who have already been treated very badly by a system aimed against them.
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      · 16 hours ago
      @Andrew The whole thing is stupid + this government should be hanging their heads in utter shame. My partners 64 year old uncle is bed bound + disabled + he sadly has anxiety. He is on ESA + pip. They now want to him to transfer over from ESA to UC.  His anxiety goes through the roof + he can't talk over the phone, the hospital phoned him re: an appointment + he was not even able to communicate properly with them. So the DWP answer is he has to use the phone or go to the job centre to make his claim for UC. Last June the DWP called to see him re the renewal of his PIp + they themselves then agreed he was bad. How on earth do they now expect him to go out to work? My partner has now asked the MP to help. 


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      · 8 days ago
      @Andrew How are pensioners like myself going to deal with this? Do they want us to work too? Or more likely kill us off and save on pensions, the cost of which they complain about so much. 
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    · 8 days ago
    I do not understand where this government are coming from by saying that people on PIP can go back to work after losing there entitlement. They seem to have forgotten that PIP is paid to people if they work or not. I am waiting to see if my PIP will carry on after having to apply last November when my review date is not until July. I'm 66 in September so will fingers crossed get my state pension then so will lose my ESA and it's legacy benefits. I try not to think what will happen if I don't get the award this time around as I'm not well enough to take it to tribunal. 
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    · 8 days ago
    I am retired 74 year old on light touch every 10 years. I can’t remember my descriptors score yet nothing is being discussed about us. We can’t work to make up for the loss and it’s a very great loss if it’s suddenly taken away. 
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      · 7 days ago
      @Andy Coyne I’m the same as you I’m 75yrs old I have had 3spinal ops with fusions  I call it scaffolding 😀I have another prolapse vertebrae which also a dislocated coccyx. I m waiting for M.R.I on my neck as I can’t raise my right arm properly. I’m a diabetic with neuropathy I’m on Morphine I was on Fentanyl for 20+yrs because I’d been on it for such a long time it didn’t help me with the dreadful pain I have which I suffer with 24 / 7.
      I can’t find any information about us oldies. Will we be treated the same as the people who are expected to go to work.
      I’m my opinion If we are to be assessed what a waste of time and money.
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      · 7 days ago
      @Andy Coyne Susie here and I totally agree with you. I am 74 too a lady veteran. As  you say nothing mentioned about us yet. Just like you on 10 year light touch  so nothing I have will improve with age worse luck. I think just have to hope for the best now
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    · 8 days ago
    It isn't long ago that Westminster was found to be treating the poor, elderly, sick and disabled very badly. (Special Reporter?). Nothing has improved. Now it's about to get even worse. I USED to be a card carrying member of Labour. Now I see no hope.
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    · 8 days ago
    My wife scored 2 points for each descriptor, so a total of 20 points. Under the current proposals she will lose the care component, even though her scores show she has a broad overall need, rather than focused on a couple of areas.
    There were areas we could have argued that 2 was too low a score, but didn't, as she had the full award. Looks like more hoops to jump through next time around ..
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    · 8 days ago
    My first claim for pip went on my medical records and an  phone call I wrote told them things have got worse sent more evidence they turned me down for help to get around I have survier osteoarthritis in my spine and hips my needs have changed iam 64 cannot do the job no more I was doing iam going into retirement with disabilities I personally think there fingers are stuck on two points permently for almost every care need I don't no anyone that has scored 4 points I would love to sit at  there desk and go throu points system they use it badly needs updated ive asked for reconsideration falling this i will prepare for an appeal fight them all way it disgraceful what they put disabled people throu to get help they need. 
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      · 5 days ago
      @I Sandeman Contact your council. PIP Mobility is a passport to a Blue Badge, but you can still apply for one without it. They will want medical evidence/ GP letter. 

      You can also apply for a bus pass from your local transport authority. I got one years ago by my GP filling in a form. This then helped with a future PIP Mobility application. 


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      · 8 days ago
      @Jacqueline MacFadyen When I got to tribunal, 20 months after applying, they would not consider my more recent prescribed wheelchair. I lost our adapted van, and life crumbled from the on, can't even get a blue badge now. 
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      · 8 days ago
      @Alison Before you get to appeal process, ask your GP for your updated medical records from when you applied for PIP and send these to the appeal panel. You have much the same issues as me. I won my appeal because I am on high doses of tramadol which make me sleep most of the day and would be too dangerous for me to work. 
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      · 8 days ago
      @Alison Totally agree. I have had 2 total hip replacements and osteoarthritis in both knees.I get the basic daily living payment but I can wash my upper body so there will be hundreds and hundreds in this position. I need assistance to wash and dry my lower limbs so what difference does being able to wash ,dry my upper body without help but need help to do my lower body.Its absolutely bonkers.
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    · 8 days ago
    What makes me so cross about all of this is that PIP is not a means tested benefit. It’s not based on being able to work or not it’s based on support for your individual needs when you’re chronically ill, that result in needing extra support in order to live independently. It doesn’t make a difference to the employment sector if you are able to work or not whilst receiving PIP, and yet by insinuating that if you don’t get PIP you can just go back to work is not only wrong but it’s damaging for the mental and physical health of those who are unable to work because their illness affects them so badly that they can’t work. 
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    · 8 days ago
    If you can’t wash or dress below the waist you cannot care for incontinence needs without support, and you cannot care for your feet or the skin on your legs without support. This is essential if you are also diabetic. This is my situation. I pray that they change the scoring on this descriptor as at present I score only 2s all related to physical problems. I am chair based and can only walk a few steps. I have to employ a foot care assistant, buy incontinence supplies, someone to change my sheets and clean my house because I can’t , do more washing  and showering than a non disabled person, replace or repair my assistance and mobility equipment, and that is just so I can live a clean and hygienic life at home. I was awarded PIP (standard living and higher mobility) two years before I reached retirement age and and I got a 10 year award. I know my award can’t be increased and I know that I’m likely to lose my living component.  It’s going to have such an impact on my quality of life. 
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      · 8 days ago
      @Poppkins I have many of these problems too and very similar needs. I have high rate care and low rate mobility. No 4’s. It’s very debilitating and completely unfairly scored. 

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