The DWP has suggested replacing PIP with a catalogue or a shop in the Green Paper on personal independence payment (PIP) reform published yesterday. The department also asks people to choose whether it is more important that disabled people have money for food or money for medication. 

Modernising Support for Independent Living: The Health and Disability Green Paper was published yesterday and is accompanied by an online consultation survey which the DWP say they want as many disabled people and other interested parties as possible to complete (see links at the end of this article).

Different type of assessment

In the first section of the consultation, readers are asked for their view on whether some claimants with medical evidence of specific health conditions should get PIP without any assessment at all.

Your opinion is also requested on whether only claimants with “evidence or a formal diagnosis by a medical expert” should be awarded PIP.

You are then asked to explain how to prevent the requirement for a formal diagnosis from a medical expert having an impact on the NHS - because it will undoubtedly mean a great deal more demands on consultants’ time.

Changes to eligibility

In the second section the DWP want to know whether the need for aids and appliances and for prompting should score PIP points.

They also question whether someone who get a lot of low scoring descriptors should be eligible for PIP at all.

And whether any PIP activities should be removed or any new ones added.

Finally, you are asked whether the current three month qualifying period and nine month forward test should be changed.

Meeting extra costs of disability

The consultation explains that PIP contributes towards the extra costs of disability.  It asks people which are the most important needs that should addressed – suggesting that not all of them can be. 

Respondents are asked to rank in importance from 1 to 10, such items as:

  • Medications and medical products
  • Additional food costs
  • Additional energy and utility costs
  • Additional housing costs

So, people really are being asked to decide if it is more important that disabled people get their medication, eat properly or heat their homes.

The same section asks people to list the benefits and disadvantages of moving to a new system for PIP claimants, which could be:

  • A catalogue/shop scheme
  • A voucher scheme
  • A receipt based system
  • One-off grants

The consultation then goes on to ask if there are people who, instead of cash, would benefit more from improved access to support or treatment, for example:

  • respite care,
  • mental health provision
  • physiotherapy

This does raise the question as to whether benefits claimants would get different/better/faster access to things like NHS counselling and physiotherapy?  Or whether they will be pushed onto short courses provided by private sector contractors hired by the DWP?

Passing PIP costs on to the NHS and local authorities

The final section asks some very bizarre questions about NHS and local authority provision, which most people would imagine the government would be better able to answer than the average member of the public.  For example:

“Which of the following do local authorities or the NHS help with?”

  • Equipment and aids
  • Medical products
  • Personal assistance (eg. help with household tasks)
  • Health services
  • Social care

The purpose of the questions, however, is clearly to sound out how much support there would be for pushing much of the cost of PIP onto the already desperately overstretched NHS and local councils.

What this Green Paper is really about

Modernising Support for Independent Living: The Health and Disability Green Paper is supposed to be a Green Paper setting out serious, carefully considered proposals for reform of PIP.

Instead it is a ragbag of random, cruel and foolish ideas thrown together by the DWP to serve the political needs of the Conservative Party, without any likelihood of any of them being acted upon. 

The Green Paper is simply intended to make the current administration look tough on claimants whilst goading the opposition into speaking out against it, thereby supposedly making them look soft on welfare.

The fact that it is causing enormous distress to many disabled claimants and their carers, as is clear from the comments sections on this site and elsewhere, is of no concern to the DWP or the Conservative Party.

At Benefits and Work, we don’t believe that this Green Paper will ever form the basis of new legislation.

However, we do think it is important that readers who feel able to, do take part in the consultation. 

It’s important that whoever forms the next government understands the strength of feeling against dismantling the disability benefits system and instead concentrates on dismantling the department that was cruel enough to publish these proposals.

Take part in the consultation

If you are unsure whether to take part in the consultation, now that an election has been announced, please read PIP changes and UC migration – how will the election affect them?

You can download Modernising Support for Independent Living: The Health and Disability Green Paper

You can take part in the online consultation, which closes on 22 July 2024.  You are not asked to give your name or any other personal details.

Or you can email your response to:  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Please post a comment below if you take part in the consultation, to encourage others to do the same.

Blank consultation form for you to fill in

Many people have told us that they have found it difficult or impossible to complete the consultation because you cannot save the form and come back to it later.  So we have published a text version of the form, with spaces for you to type in your answers.  You can take as long as you like to do this and save it as often as you need. 

When you have answered all the questions you can either email the document to the consultation email address or, if you prefer to stay anonymous, copy and paste your answers into the online form instead.

Download blank form

Our submission

A number of people have asked how we are responding to the consultation.  We have published a copy of our answers to the consultation which you can download if you wish.  We wouldn’t advise you to copy them, but they may help you decide how you want to answer. 

We have tried to keep our answers brief as we don’t believe people should feel they have to write hugely detailed responses to what is, in our view a bad faith consultation.

Complaint about Question 18

We are particularly disgusted by Q18 and have sent a formal complaint to the consultation email address.  We would encourage other people to complain if they are unhappy about this question. 

Our complaint is worded as follows: 


 We wish to make a formal complaint about question 18 in the consultation related to “Modernising Support for Independent Living: The Health and Disability Green Paper”

The question asks:

“Which extra costs incurred by disabled people are the most important for a new scheme to address? Please rank the following options in your order of importance:”

Respondents are then required to rank 10 extra costs in order of importance. 

If a respondent doesn’t wish to answer the question, the options will remain in their default order and that will be recorded as the respondent’s choices, even though that is absolutely not the case.

For many people, ourselves included, the entire premise of the question is inappropriate:  asking people to decide whether, for example, medication, a specialised diet or energy to power medical equipment and provide additional warmth is more important.  They are all vital to life and all of equal importance.

Even if people wished to choose, their ranking might vary at different times of the year or different stages in their condition. 

In addition, even if respondents feel able to rank these items for themselves, how can they possibly make that choice on behalf of other disabled people with hugely different needs?  Yet that is what the question requires.

We consider that this question should either be removed from the consultation or, at the very least, that there should be an option to decline to answer or to rank all options equally.

As it stands, this question is clearly rigged and has no place in a genuine consultation.


24.05.24 Please note:  we have now had a response to our complaint as follows:

"We would like to clarify that if a respondent chooses not to answer question 18, no response is recorded for that respondent. The default order of the options will not be counted as a response if the question is left unanswered.

"Furthermore, if respondents wish to provide additional details regarding question 18, including if they feel that all options should be ranked equally, they are encouraged to highlight this in question 19. Question 19 is designed to allow respondents to elaborate on their views directly related to question 18."

We are a little dubious about this response, because if a respondent agreed with the DWP's chosen order and so did nothing, they would apparently be recorded as having not answered the question.  And the DWP's response does not alter the fact that this is an extraordinarily inappropriate question in the first place.

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    Bronc · 1 months ago
    Response submitted. As a community we need to encourage as many people/organizations to respond to this evil attempt to attack disabled people further.
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      patsy166 · 1 months ago
      @Bronc Disability Discrimination at its worst 
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      MariW · 1 months ago
      @Bronc In recent days, I have been shocked by the level of ignorance beyond sites such as this. Smaller disability charities haven't a clue. Ditto Citizens Advice (CAB) and The Samaritans. I've had to provide a definition of "Green Paper". I suspect from a post elsewhere that many claimants are blissfully unaware of the proposals. 
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    Sasha · 1 months ago
    They are dirty tricks - similar happened to me 10 years ago when I got a job after being on ESA. I called DWP and cancelled the ESA, but they didn’t cancel it - it took me a while to realise I was still receiving ESA payments, not just a salary, 
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    Lucy · 1 months ago
    Took part. I was loosing the will to live answering the ridiculous questions. I’m finding this whole idea stressful I have had breast cancer, I am on long term meds for this which has caused my osteoarthritis to spiral, I now need 2 thumb joint replacements, I have chronic pain and my anxiety is through the roof and then I have to fight for some money because when I started work at 18  I thought I was retiring at 60 not having to fight for a bit of help after years of paying into the system! 
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      patsy166 · 1 months ago
      @Lucy I’m really sorry you’re going through all of this and I wish you all the best. Like many others I have multiple health issues but I’m determined not to give up and let them continue with these Draconian policies 
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    Sarahjane · 1 months ago
    I disagree with the government,they seem to attack the disabled,our government gives aid and money to other countries,has any country come to our aid??? The government are making the disabled pay for there mistakes, I am registered disabled and I am concerned that the motability scheme will end then wat???
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      patsy166 · 1 months ago
      @Sarahjane It ends when you retire because you can’t get the higher rate of mobility when you retire 
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      CazzieB · 1 months ago
      @Sarahjane I completely agree. Support and help to UK citizens should be a priority, not sending money abroad for wars, or closer to home, offering contracts to 'mates' for not fit for purpose PPE....
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    Leon · 1 months ago
    Hi guys it took me over 3 hours to answer the questions in the survey but it's important we make it clear that taking away our online lifeline should never be an option. 

    Disabled people need to make their voices clear that they do not support this green papers ideas.

    To save you guys some time, i have provided my answers. Feel free to use my answers or to edit the template how you see fit. 

    here is the link to my answers as a PDF on my google drive:


    The Tories DWP are nothing but cruel towards the most vulnerable people. Fill out the survey and let you voice be heard. Thanks,
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      patsy166 · 1 months ago
      @oddjobjan As someone on the spectrum I have completed the form, which I wouldn’t have known existed if it hadn’t been for Benefits and Work 
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      patsy166 · 1 months ago
      @Leon Like you it took me a couple of hours to answer the questions and I emailed my M.P. I’ve printed out my answers for future reference 😂
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      RichardJH · 1 months ago
      @Leon Many thanks Leon .
      I have amended your .pdf slightly and sent it off, also sent a copy to my local MP who doesn't have any political clout any more since he was booted (Whip removed) from the Labour Party , yes, Jeremy Corbyn. 

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      oddjobjan · 1 months ago
      @Leon That is very thoughtful of you Leon, thank you for doing this. The process of filling the paper in for those on the spectrum was overwhelming. your answers are accurate and well thought out. It will help many people who will now able to copy and paste. Editing their own views if necessary.  The whole thing is  a complete farce. If they stopped producing all of these green papers I can't imagine how many billions they would save . 
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      Bronc · 1 months ago
      @Leon Thank you for sharing this.
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    Sandra Bowes-Rennox · 1 months ago
    People are frightened and with good reason..The DWP nothing but bullies.. Well karma will come and it would these Tories well to remember there not invincible.
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    David · 1 months ago
    So now the despicable tory party are willing to actually commit a crime if this is taken forward. That is,discrimination against the disabled. No wonder they want to et out of the ECHR. Time to let all mp's know how vile these plans are
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    lyn smith · 1 months ago
    i think it is disgusting no one asks to be disabled now we are being punished for being disabled i have MS stress and worry is not good for people with MS it can make our symptoms worse so the goverment are making our illness worse which is the same for a lot of disabled people.all this goverment think about is saving money and we are the easy target.
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      CCG · 1 months ago
      @lyn smith That’s all it is Lyn a pre election attack on an easy target with no regard for the anxiety or distress caused. Dog whistle politics at its worst - lapped up by the right wing press barons!
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    Wendy · 1 months ago
    Well I don't think they will like my answers on their questionnaire..... 
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    Angel · 1 months ago
    Sunak is violating human rights, knowing full well the affect all what he has stated will have on Ill and disabled people. It is illegal to attack or bully people so where is the law in all of this? He is opening himself as well as other mps and society at large open to danger.
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    SJ · 1 months ago
    The way pip is now causes me anxiety and stress just filling out the forms and wondering if the person who is going to assess me qualified? Do they understand my condition? Etc etc then every single day until the decision arrives I dread the postman and seeing the envelope on the mat. If it gets changed to this new system it’s going to cause me anxiety through the roof both due to my physical and mental health as someone who suffers from PTSD along with depression and anxiety I’m also agoraphobic I have to spend more on medical bits that isn’t covered by prescriptions including personal products, dry shampoos and bath wipes etc the list could go on and on. My council has never allowed me the bedroom exemption so pay £80 pm towards my rent and although I’m under the councils social services dept the most they’ve ever helped me with is to give me a bath support to help me get out of the bath which wouldn’t secure because I had a plastic bath panel so I’ve bought my own and had those bathroom disability items installed at my own expense my council is a waste of time. Part of my physical illness means no matter what the weather is my heating has to stay on so my house stays at a minimum of 23 degrees because any colder effects my body and skin along with my arthritis in my feet and hands. I could go on and on, all this is real and at a cost where I’m not getting my pip money and running around the country drinking, smoking, going on days out and holidays I literally use the money towards my health, but to then on top of the day in dayout pain I’m constantly in due to my condition where every movement is a chore, to on top of everything have to remember to keep receipts and send them in to claim money back? I couldn’t ever do that, no because I’m not genuine because if that’s the route they choose to go I won’t be able to afford it to then wait for the costs back, if they went through the council to get it knowing they won’t even give me the bedroom tax is also a worry as there’s no reason they shouldn’t I’m on top mobility and living. In all as crap as dwp & pip is already if it means choosing one of these routes it’s going to be catastrophic and probably cost the tax payer more to find out when all is said and done it will be like when they tried improving the child support agency which ended up being a nightmare and collapsing altogether. The only thing any party/government should improve with pip is the assessments and getting qualified people to do it and not employ agencies to carry out this work as someone who has been assessed by someone who was a nurse when I asked to be seen by a doctor at a minimum because of my condition! She didn’t even know what my medication was let alone my condition to give me 0 on everything, my money stopped for over 6 months, the stress of having to appeal in house got denied, then go to a tribunal who phoned me on the morning to say don’t bother coming as they’ve already looked at it and were disgusted and gave me more than enough points to get it reinstated and that’s happened twice over the years. I’m lucky that this time round I was awarded it without a issue arising but those periods I’m not ashamed to say I almost took my own life as I had no money I had to get into debt, I couldn’t buy the things I needed medically and it affected me hugely with my mental health because when they stopped my pip it also affected my esa payment amount too. I strongly hope and pray they don’t go down any of these routes as it’s going to be a nightmare for anyone on pip and shocking that with all the laws in place about people with disabilities they’re going to take those rights away to try and improve something that is going to leave many disabled clients in a diabolical condition if they choose one of these routes. 
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    ShadowCat · 1 months ago
    It just keeps getting worse!!! 
    All their proposals are absolutely crazy and will not help anyone! We’re already in a cost of living crisis and being disabled is expensive. As someone with autism, mental health issues and chronic pain and is unable to work due to mental health. I tend to score low but enough claim daily living PIP. With the new reforms, this would have a great negative impact on my life. The money from PIP can literally cover anything including grocery bill. I claim universal credit as well but that isn’t enough for monthly expenses. Without PIP, I lose my independence, any quality of life at all. I wouldn’t be able to engage in my special interests that literally keep me out of severe depression. Vouchers or choosing where money goes will restrict our independence, affect those with mental health conditions and neurodivergent people who are more likely to need this support. Work well programs do not help people like me. It’s happened before when 100s of autistic clients got left behind without support  because a similar organisation took over and no one could help us. Not everyone is able to work, no matter how much support they get. Vouchers won’t help. Not all disability can be helped with aids or equipment. That’s very restricted. It will take away many peoples independence. These reforms cannot go ahead 
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      Faith · 1 months ago
      @patsy166 That's exactly what they want! I wish people would stop listening to them, we all need to stand together and show Sunak we will not turn on our disabled.  As this is exactly what this multimillionaire UNELECTED PM wants! He should call a General Election NOW! He won't as he's too scared!
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      patsy166 · 1 months ago
      @ShadowCat My maternal grandmother was a Victorian born in 1888, and I can remember her very real fear of the Workhouse, which is where we’ll end up if the government has their way 
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    Mark · 1 months ago
    Please remember all that the Tory party cares about is money nothing more nothing less. The disabled are regarded as just a burdan that must be paid as little as possible. 

    The answer, vote for any party that can stop a Tory being elected 
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    Amanda · 1 months ago
    How much more humiliation and degradation should the disabled face before we can get this government out. I worked for almost thirty years before I became unable to continue. I paid into a system that they have profited from, bled and mismanaged for decades during my lifetime. We can talk when they pay me back for every penny I gave them in national insurance. As for choosing between eating, heating and medication - as an insulin dependent diabetic with additional complications they will also be responsible for my premature death too when I am forced to make those choices. If this goes through there will be civil unrest even if I have to start it myself!
    Hell NO!!
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    Diana · 1 months ago
    I have bilateral peripheral neuropathy in my legs and hands. I have no balance to walk and fall down quite often just by standing up.  I cannot bath or shower unassisted or prepare meals. I cannot leave my home unless someone takes me. I have to have carers to assist me in all of these tasks. This condition started after a severe trauma 10 years ago. Consequently, I also have compexed PTSD which I have to have to have therapy and medication for. The thought of this crazy system is causing me sever anxiety and stress.  I suffer from depression as a result of my inability to care for myself. I have to pay the local authority for my care package.  I really cannot see how these measures if they get the green paper through will help me. I couldn't pay for my care without the care component and I couldn't go out as I have to pay for the transportation to go anywhere. Therefore, I need the mobility component too. Vouchers for equipment will not assist me at all. 
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    Suzie · 1 months ago
    This is mind boggling, surely it's discrimatory
    I've been on PIP for a few years now, as you get older your medical needs get more challenging
    I've had a quick look through the Green Paper survey
    How on earth are you expected to wade through that. I only got to Page 2, and I thought how on earth can I take part in this consultation. 
    I feel it is being made as difficult and long as possible to put people off. 
    I suggest everyone contacts their MP. It is very easy to do, maybe Benefits and Work could help with this. Maybe they could do an  article on how this is done
    I will certainly contact my MP, they'll all be looking  for your votes, as the General Election will be sometime this year


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      patsy166 · 1 months ago
      @Suzie Apparently our mobility improves with age because you can’t receive the highest rate of the mobility when you retire 
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      MariW · 1 months ago
      @Suzie Concerned that having written to my Labour MP shortly before the publication of the Green Paper, I have only just received a reply from a member of his staff. The communication referrers to the Green Paper and our opportunity to participate in the consultation process. In no way does it clarify the Labour Party position. 
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    Anne · 1 months ago
    This is just the last gasp of a government that is panicking so they choose to hammer disability benefits and demonize immigrants. Beyond sickening that they think it will gain them votes but in fact in order to do that they would have to clean up the mess they have made of our nhs, the transport system, schools the list just goes on and on. Also lets not forget the complete absence of trust caused by the covid debacle. They partied, they gave contracts to their mates and then tried to lie about it. This is just a green paper, the first step and they know it will in all probability never happen as they will lose the election but they still choose to taunt and terrorise us. My pip is invaluable to me, it absolutely changed my life and I just would not manage without it. Rishi Sinai how do you face yourself in the mirror? When did disability become a crime? You are a disgrace to humanity and I would still rather be me, in pain everyday and choosing between eating and heating than the disgrace of a human being that you are.
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      Faith6515 · 1 months ago
      @Anne Absolutely well said! They have destroyed our NHS.  People can't get an appointment with their GP. They partied during Lock down! Sunak the multimillionaire UNELECTED PM picking on the most vulnerable in our society.  He should call a general election now! 
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      Sandra Bowes-Rennox · 1 months ago
      @Anne Well there not going to win votes by this cruelty.. They've taken millions for granted and treat disabled people like dirt as history proves and not just in this country.
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      Amanda · 1 months ago
      @Anne Nicely put! Far more articulate than my own contribution - I just saw red! 
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    DC · 1 months ago
    comes as absolutely no surprise the government pick on the most vulnerable people in society, yet happily spend billions on weapons to send to wars that are nothing to do with us.  i have severe anxiety and mental health issues and every statements like these can send people over the edge.  THIS COUNTRY IS A DISGRACE
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    Linda · 1 months ago
    Just how many times do disabled people have to prove they are in need. The move from DLA to PIP has just completed or about to complete. Now they are looking to switch us onto some other thing that probably wont work. They did the recent changes to weed out those who don't have real diabilities whatever they are. What happens to Motability or is that gping to be a catalogue? What a crock of s--t. This Government is a joke. 
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    Nanny · 1 months ago
    If I could physically get to a place of work, I'd be a constant safety risk to an employer, the public and of course myself.

    How many will lie about their disabilities to find work? Then what?

    Add onto that, I'm almost 60, and we all know age discrimination is still rife by employers. I've no chance.
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