How do you think Labour will treat disabled claimants if, as seems increasingly likely, they form the next government?  Will they be better or worse than the Conservatives?

Last week’s Labour party manifesto left our readers divided on what the future might be like for disabled claimants under Labour.  The document made few references to benefits and gave no clues as to what its attitude would be to major issues such as ESA to UC migration, proposed Green paper changes to PIP or how exactly the WCA might be reformed.

Many readers felt that Labour was just being cautious, because any hint of being soft on claimants would be jumped on by the right-wing press.

Others thought that Labour were saying little because they do not have anything positive to say to disability benefits claimants.  Some think there is little difference between the two parties and some commentors even believe that Labour would be worse news for claimants than the Conservatives.

Certainly, the manifesto could have offered some hope to, for example Carer’s Allowance claimants. A change to the current cliff edge earnings limit would not have major cost implications.

And, to ensure claimant safety, Labour could have offered to look again at the very tight ESA to UC migration deadline imposed on the DWP by the Conservatives.  Delaying the transfer would not cost anything, given that it was previously delayed to 2028 to save money.

Labour could also have stated in the manifesto that they would look at the Green paper proposals for PIP, but that it was unlikely that a voucher system or a catalogue would play any part in any future plans.  Again, this would not have had cost implications.

None of these undertakings would have offered much in the way of ammunition to the right wing press, but all of them would have reassured claimants that Labour would give them some respite from the current relentless attacks.

On the other hand, no part of Labour’s plans include cutting benefits in order to raise cash for other purposes, such as tax cuts.

And, whilst they have said they will replace or reform the WCA, they have not suggested that they will reform PIP.

So, if benefits will play a major part in deciding who you will vote for, readers will have to make an educated guess as to what Labour might do based on minimal information.

Knowing what other claimants are thinking may be helpful in reaching a decision.

So, please take part in our poll to tell us whether you think life would be easier, harder or much the same under Labour rather than the Conservatives and, if you wish, give your reasons in the comments section below.

You can only vote once and we’ll publish the results on Monday 1 July.

 

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    T · 7 days ago
    I think they have to be a lesser evil than the tories - but I don't think it will be by a huge amount. I think they will be less likely to introduce really evil policies but I can't see them undoing all the damage that tories have done. Not THIS 'Labour'

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    chris · 7 days ago
    if there is minimal info regarding Labours plan about disabled people, then how the hell is it of any use to ask for opinions
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      Timewarp · 7 days ago
      @chris If there is minimal information (though comments by various shadow ministers do seem somewhat worryingly indicative) then it is almost certainly because  "Labour" intends to continue with the general policy of the Tory administration ... or inflict worse .... but would rather not advertise that oppressive similarity till after the election.
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    A · 7 days ago
    I'm in Northern Ireland. The way we vote is different, can't directly vote for either party. I'm seriously hoping that Labour won't be as harsh, but it's looking that way, and stressing everyone out I won't know what to do. 
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      JBM · 4 days ago
      @A The Conservative Party does stand candidates in Northern Ireland. They will be standing in five constituencies there in this election: https://www.niconservatives.com/news/our-general-election-candidates
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      The dogmother. · 6 days ago
      @A N.I is funded via Westminster with the department for communities dealing with the benefit system, Stormont can dictate which way they want to administer those benefits, so, in essence they an say yes or no to pip changes, wca,UC migration etc. But as they are reliant on London for funding it looks like the N.I devolved government will just follow the Status quo. So whoever gets in the system will be the same for those in N.I. unless they start to fund themselves. But that would be a huge ask. Sadly. 
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    Timewarp · 7 days ago
    Since the three biggest political parties in Britain are still intent on imposing the 'welfare and work' agenda devised by Unum -- which actually boasted of its influence --  then there is nothing at all to choose between them -- they are all thoroughly rotten. 
    Right down to fervently unquestioning, mass-media relayed, adherence to the "work makes you free" and "work cures all ailments" doctrine devised by that fraudulent (convicted as such in the USA *prior* to being contracted by UK government in the mid 1990s) income and health insurance corporation. 
    Convergence with the worst of America .... plus successive governments miraculously finding vast sums of public money (otherwise claimed not to exist!) to subsidise the US-empire's foreign wars.  
    All underpinned by a blatant but forever recited economics *lie* that sovereign State financing is the same as individual household financing.  The lie which seeks to justify perpetual infliction  of *austerity* upon the public, but at the same time ensures massive profits for the private, trans-national financiers and their parasitic system. 
    None of the above will change under a Starmer regime.  
    Quite simply, those who rule, no matter which establishment Party label franchise is currently in office, regard the general public -- including the disabled -- as no more than disposable commodities.  
    It really is an ideological matter .... below their ever more threadbare  semantic veneer of fake differentiation, *all* of the establishment Parties share the same basic ideology and utterly corrupt "values".

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      Marion · 7 days ago
      @Timewarp

      The problem is if you vote Green (which would be my personal preference) you keep the Tories in power who will disappear the ballot box altogether. Labour want to lower the voting age AND give voting rights to the resident EU-citizens, so if Labour wins only ONCE, we should win millions of democracy-orientated voters for the future, who will then give smaller parties a better chance for life. The alternative: a fast Tory-slide into a full-blown dictated Police State of dystopian fascism!
      The Tories are 99% psychopaths, whereas Labour has "only" about 50% psychopaths, which will indeed bring a lot of infighting and U-turns, but compared (!) to the rapid Tory-destruction it will save lives and win us time for now until we got rid of our Belorussian voting system.
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    Jill T · 7 days ago
    I sincerely HOPE Labour will be less harsh than the Tories. They surely can't be worse and I have low expectations. I will vote for my Plaid Cymru candidate who is the sitting MP. He has a reputation for being a good hard working constituency MP and for listening to people. I will push him to vote for progressive policies.

    FYI Plaid Cymru"s manifesto "opposes the Conservatives’ proposed changes to the Work Capability Assessment and their ‘Back to Work’ plan, which again appears to blame people for being unwell and unable to work as they would wish to do so. We reject the discourse of blaming people for the circumstances in which they find themselves"
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    Veronica J · 7 days ago
    Tories are only interested in supporting the well off. They care nothing for the most vulnerable in society and will pick on those claiming benefits rather than tackle those who earn millions but dodge paying taxes. They look after their own.
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    J-Cornwall · 7 days ago
    It doesn't bode well that Labour are reluctant to make any statement of intention with regards to benefits and I'm sure this means either 1) they have no idea as will pretty much everything else (it would appear) or 2) what they are intending is going to be even harsher and they are keeping it under wraps. It appears to me that the current Labour leader only tells people what they want to hear and if he becomes PM he will only then decide (with much needed assistance) what he is going to inflict on the nation. TBH none of the parties appear to be worthy of the position but I do actually fear the impact of a Labour government, as things stand!
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    ABC · 7 days ago
    Hi, Does anyone have any idea/feeling on when labour change the WCA if it will apply to new claims on or also to existing claims? Thanks
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    Wendy Woo · 7 days ago
    My experience of claiming any kind of benefits is that it was easier under the previous Labour government than it has become under the Conservatives.  Remembering way back, it was easier even under the long Tory reign which began in 1979 than it is now (although I have no personal experience of claiming benefits then).  I don't believe Labour could be any harsher than the present Government has been and, although I would like to vote Green because I have long believed that a universal basic income would be the best way forward for the majority of ordinary people, I shall vote tactically, as I have always done, to keep the Conservatives out.  In our constituency, the sitting Tory MP is a local man and has been generally good at making representations about local concerns, but he recently wrote a very strident article in the local paper in support of Mel Stride and his proposed PIP reforms, so he needs to go now.  Fortunately, we have a very good Labour candidate who also grew up in the area, so understands our particular concerns, and I shall be voting for him.  The same local newspaper also recently published an article about how people in Mr. Stride's constituency are actively forming pressure groups to persuade others to vote tactically to oust him - I hope I will be able to stay up late enough to see them succeed!  It might be my "Portillo moment"!
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    Chris · 7 days ago
    I am in no doubt that Labour will be far better for anyone in the position of having to claim benefits. 

    For example, Labour have stated that they will end the vindictive Tory targets which are hounding claimants, and scrap the harsh WCA.

    Wherever you are vote tactically to remove the Tories. The website stopthetories.vote provides the up-to-date info to do this.

    Anyone claiming "they're all the same" is just parroting Tory propaganda. 
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      Timewarp · 7 days ago
      @Chris No .... very much the opposite .... anyone claiming "they're all the same" is certainly not just parroting Tory propaganda'  .... they are seeing what's very clearly evident in front of their own eyes, instead of denying reality and forever swallowing the lies and illusions of the political establishment.
      How often does "government" Party label have to be flipped with basically the same end result each time, before some people finally realise that the whole setup is a game-show charade contrived to dupe them, while (regardless of what the electorate tried to vote for) those who rule continue to impose *their own* same agendas, albeit via the use of superficially different wording?

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    JulieT · 7 days ago
    ... and here we have Nigel Farage's take on benefit claimants (in the Guardian this morning):

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    “‘I’m too fat, I’m too stupid, I’m too lazy, I don’t get out of bed in the morning. I smoke drugs, give me money’ … That’s what we’re saying. ‘I don’t need to work, the state will provide for me’ … We cannot afford it,” he said."

    ... pretty much what we would expect from the 'Reform' Party. Grotesque.
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      CaroA · 7 days ago
      @JulieT Thank you Julie this is so insulting.....
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      Erik · 7 days ago
      @JulieT Wow, well, if that's true then I've lost respect for him. Overall I like him, but if he thinks a big percentage of claimants are faking it then that is very much out of touch with reality.
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    Cazzy · 8 days ago
    I get sick and tired of the conservatives and labour party bickering about each others party. Stop now trying to tell us brits what you think we want to hear they don't know what hardship is  they can  pay for the necessities of life they don't have empty food cupboards and mortgage taking all there money and fighting life long to get disability benefits to the point that people give up to the stress if it all! I don't have any hope for this general election.
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    Hope · 8 days ago
    In this once great country of ours, it’s tragic that there are only two big parties to vote for, and the other parties pretty much just make up the numbers. Ignorance and contempt on the part of the Labour Party to not even give the many thousands of genuine disabled people any minute amount of reassurance of what may come when it is almost certain they will be elected…. They both treat you with disrespect, and assume that you are lacking in intelligence. A truly awful time to be a disabled british person. 
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    Womps · 8 days ago
    I am so so tired of this now. My grand parents fought in the war, worked in the pits and died of emphysema. My parents both were in the army and brought up their family to respect and serve their country. I was a young widow with 3 small children and worked 2 jobs whilst with prolapsed discs and was one of the first to online study so i could get better prospects. One of my children is autistic spectrum/ADHD - it has been over 20 years and they still havn't decided it changes all the time, but whilst we did everything we could my son would get sanctioned and we were made homeless, literally.
    I am a fighter, and managed to not give in and now have a great job medium pay and my children are successful. We are still separated but we get together  and we use the surf thought, r4ide the wave. We were just a little family doing our best and hitting stupid policies 'protecting the country from cheats'. I never cheated.
    Now i am very unwell and still work because i am too afraid to not work, I need help with getting to and from work and help too at home.
    I don't understand why we don't seem to matter anymore. It seems more important to fund other peoples wars than take care of our own.
    I don't understand why I don't have any value to society !! I have always worked, seems to me we are heading towards a 'Universal Ideal' a 'brave new world'  and that whoever is in power has to bang the same drum.
    I don't want to drop dead on my way to work at 72, I don't even want to vote anymore
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      Ricky · 7 days ago
      @Womps Well said.
      I can't be bothered to vote either...they're all for themselves 
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      Deb · 7 days ago
      @Womps Yes both my parents died of copd, emphysema too. Grandparents fought in war. Plus I'm disabled now myself. 
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    Clare · 8 days ago
    I do not trust Labour to deal with me in any other way than poorly Then I cannot be disappointed when it inevitably does happen My trust for all the parties Is the lowest it has ever been Unfortunately for me it is at a time I am going to need them to come up trumps for me Due to my deteriorating condition All I can do like many of us Is cross my fingers and hope for the best Maybe we might get a reprieve Even if it might only be a little while Especially as my PIP claim will need to be renewed early next year 
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    Penny Cornish · 8 days ago
    I have been disabled for 34 years with a brain injury that nearly killed me as by the time it took tha ambulance to get me to hospital (8 hours) and was not seen until 10pm. which was another 5 hours, the doctors informed my family I would die in the night, there was nothing they could do as my brain had swollen to such a degree I was untreatable and was being injected with morphine for the unbearable pain. At 6am the next morning my brain had come down of it’s own accord, a thing the consultant said was a miracle he had never seen a brain swell to the degree mine had and come back down. He said I would have a headache for 3 months and I would be fine. This was not the case for me, I went on to have CFS, Fibromyalgia, muscle wastage and a massive Nervous breakdown and am housebound. I have three children at the time they were 5, 9 and 13, they too have been through hell as I was bed ridden. I saw doctors professors etc. who didn’t know what to do. All this stemmed from the flu virus which went into my brain (Viral Encephalitis)I received DLA until P.I.P. was introduced. That change to PIP was so so unfair on people like myself and we had to fight every step of the way. They refused it and we had to go to appeal where thankfully the Judge awarded me with the Highest Payment for 3 years.Since then they decided this disability is a long term one and I have been awarded it until April 2030. I need to know if the Labour Party will honour this award, it is already in place. My next and terrifying worry is: Are Labour going to keep P.I.P. as it is at all, or modify it and introduce vouchers which seems ludicrous. I am trying to contact Labour but with no success so far. This money is vital to me as the only place I can get the necessary injections from is a Private Medical Clinic in Hemel Hempstead. Also, the vitamins and brain medication are not covered by the NHS, therefore I have to pay privately. This is why my Benefits are so vital for me. Many thanks. My name is Joanna Wright (nee Cornish) I am writing this for my Mum as she is unable to. I have written it as she dictates it to me, although I know everything, myself and my two siblings suffered so much as we were only young. It’s heartbreaking as we are still involved with her care and mental capacity. Yours sincerely. Joanna Wright on behalf of my mother Mrs. Penelope Jane Cornish.
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    Philip Lynch · 8 days ago
    Because if Labour aren't better for the Disabled like myself they will be out next election and refomay lead the way next time and there will never be a day where you will ever find me voting conservative 
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      Anne Barr · 6 days ago
      @Philip Lynch I sincerely hope not, I’ll have to leave the country if this vile party got in. They do nothing but spread fear & greed.
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    Belinda lumley · 8 days ago
    Only time will tell what will happen to our PIP after the election. Are we able to challenge the government through the courts it if our payments are changed to vouchers etc? if we are then we should all group together and do it. PIP money is used for many things that can’t be paid for by vouchers….taxis…help with housework….gardening to blame just a few. Do they think we should all sit in our dirty houses every day with weeds growing over the glass in our windows 
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      Deb · 7 days ago
      @Belinda lumley Pip pays alot of our bills and totally agree with your statement. It's scary. Vouchers won't for for us at all. 
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      CaroA · 7 days ago
      @Belinda lumley Yes thanks Belinda the time has come - to fight back on this (PIP/vouchers) and Work Capability Assessments.....

      We need to work out how to organize ourselves this is one of the biggest challenges.  Enough is enough!
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    Cas · 8 days ago
    The conservatives have already proposed and put green paper through so if labour win which they will do , it will be too expensive to reverse it 
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      Laura · 6 days ago
      @Cas How would it be too expensive when it hasn't fully went through the final stages, it would be far more likely for Labour to keep things as they are than implement another Tory scheme destined for failure? The whole idea is ludicrous and can only fail.

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      Old Mother · 8 days ago
      @Cas Nonsense! Stop scaremongering! 

      Tories have just pumped out propaganda to win votes. They targeted the disabled to do so. 

      That’s all the green paper is. 

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      Rainbow · 8 days ago
      @Cas That's not true at all. It isn't a white paper, it hasn't been voted on, it's nothing more than a list of warped ideas testing the water to see how far they can push. It'll cost labour nothing to bin it.
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    Jane Smith · 8 days ago
    I'm finally over Labour.  
    I've solidly voted 'least worst option' in eery election since 1975 and allowed myself a few months of optimism when Corbyn became leader but since 2019 Labour just got worse and worse. Starmer back-pedalling on all his promises and trying to do a Blair impersonation is sickening.
     After reading the various manifesto's (okay, I didn't read the Tory or Reform contributions) I am finally happy to be able to vote Green, thanks to living in a labour constituency.  I just hope that the number of lost votes, decreased majorities and lost seats Labour suffer might make them realise what a shower of sh*te they are.
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