Hi Mods Well It seems I have passed the pip ordeal with enhanced rate for care and enhanced rate for mobility, I did not receive any points for mobility when I was claiming dla so this if great news. Thank you so so vey much once again for your wonderful advice and help, you are invaluable I hope Gordon had a well deserved break, and keeps up his strength. Sorry I did not use my last pip thread I cannot remember how to find it. Rapheal