DWP disability minister Stephen Timms repeatedly misled parliament by untruthfully claiming that personal independence payment (PIP) claimants over state pension age “will not be affected by the proposed changes”.  Timms has finally admitted that the DWP currently have no idea how to avoid the proposed 4-point rule affecting pension age PIP reviews.

Ever since last April, Benefits and Work has been trying to get to the truth of Timms frequently repeated statement in connection with the proposed 4-point rule that:  “In keeping with existing policy, people over State Pension Age are not routinely fully reviewed and will not be affected by the proposed changes.”

We pointed out that pip claimants over state pension age are subject to a light touch review every ten years and that they may also ask for a change of circumstances review if their condition changes.

In the year to January 2025, 12,300 pension age PIP claimants had a planned award review. 

In addition, 19,238 pension age PIP claimants had a change of circumstances review in the same period.

We wanted to know how claimants in these circumstances could avoid the four-point rule, unless the DWP was exempting all claimants over pension age.

We even went so far as to ask readers to ask their MPs to put two specific questions to Timms on this subject.

Conservative MP Alicia Kearns kindly asked those questions and Timms replied on 16 May.

In relation to whether PIP claimants of pension age who request a change of circumstances review will be required to score at least four points in one daily living activity, instead of answering “Yes” or “No”, Timms fudged desperately:

“All claimants are required to notify the Department of any change to their circumstance, be that an improvement or deterioration in their needs. Upon notification of a change, a Case Manager will consider what further action might be required to ensure the claimant is receiving the correct level of support.”

However, Chris Law of the SNP asked the same question as Alicia Kearns and on 6 June received a different answer:

“In keeping with existing policy, people on state pension age are not routinely fully reviewed and will not be affected by these changes. We are considering further how the 4-point minimum requirement will affect claimants over state pension age who report a change of circumstances, and we will provide further information in due course.”

In other words, pension age PIP claimants who request a change of circumstances review will be subject to the 4-point rule and run the risk of losing their daily living award altogether, unless the DWP can come up with a way to get round it, which they haven’t yet.

And, in truth, the same will almost certainly apply to claimants subject to a 10 year light-touch review.  Because it isn’t a review unless you make a decision on continuing entitlement and you can only do that using the law as it stands, not the law as you would like it to be. 

It’s yet another example of the ways in which the Green Paper reforms are half-baked, at best.

When he became disability minister, Timms claimed that he would create a new era of transparency at the DWP, as part of an effort to restore trust in the department.

In this case, Timms could have been transparent and truthful from the outset by saying that the 4-point rule would not affect “the majority” of pension age PIP claimants. He chose not to – over and over again - and that choice leaves claimants with no reason to trust anything he tells them in the future.

Many thanks to the excellent Rightsnet website for welfare rights workers for alerting us to the written question and answer.

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    · 13 days ago
    Good afternoon. Well some of you will have seen my comments on here. But just to up date I cancelled my Labour Party membership and party donation last Monday as I to feel that this consistent misleading and basic lying is totally unacceptable to the integrity of disabled people. My review is tomorrow morning at 11am . It will be interesting to to see what the assessor says. My heart failure and crumbling ankle and my age now 66 and now in full retirement means my working life is effectively over. But I’m confident they the DWP will do everything possible to withdraw my PIP as I am no longer an asset to the party, state or country. So suicide or life termination through euthanasia are now options available to OAP’s according to this government. I will let you know the outcome of the assessment in due course. 
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      · 13 days ago
      @Gazmo66 I am in a similar position, look forward to hearing the outcome.
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    · 13 days ago
    I’m in this group, got high mobility and standard DL  couple of years before pension age, an ongoing award but with max of 3 points in one descriptor, not four. Since then I have been diagnosed with three further conditions, two of which impact my life greatly and I believe that I would now get the extra point I needed for an enhanced DL award but to be honest I am terrified to do a change of circumstances because they are just as likely to take it away as increase it and who can hazard a guess as to whether I might get those magic 4 points. My husband had to take early retirement to care for me so we rely on my PIP and Carers Allowance to live until he gets his state pension in four years time. 
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    · 13 days ago
    I have just been reviewed - I will be 66 in October.  I have been given a 3 year award to 2028.  When I spoke to the DWP regarding the award - will it be a light touch review in 2028? - She seemed to think I should have had one now as so close to pension age.  She had no idea about 2028.  No one seems to have any idea what is going on.
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      · 12 days ago
      @Lorraine My sister was given a 3 year award 2 years ago but she turned 66 last year and has now received a letter that as she is now 66 her award has been extended to 10 years!  She is very relieved
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    · 15 days ago
    Mine comes in 2028 when I shall be 73 with MS for 37 years! Funnily enough, it has never gone away, being with me since I was a young, 36 year old mum. I worked until I could no longer into my late 50s and have a full state pension now. My DLA enabled me to work, run a  Motability car so I could actually get there and keep my personal independence. Then PIP (the blatantly misnamed Personal Independence Payment) took over and my assessor didn't really look at me tbh because I had an ankle length puffa coat on. However, she said she had put me on a table and assessed my legs! (I never moved from my chair!) She wouldn’t have seen anything had she really done so anyway, neurological defects are particularly shy! I lost my car because of that blatant lie but didn’t complain because I was fearful of losing even more. I fall over lots (broke my rib 2 weeks ago falling on to a table) and have put my top teeth through my bottom lip in the past. My bruises are legendary now! I do not and have never gained 4 points in any one descriptor but have in the past,  gone blind, been unable to understand the written word, cannot run, cannot feel my left leg or my hands now, cannot use the oven (far too dangerous) or a knife so I cannot cook. If that’s not enough for 4 points, then what is?
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      · 13 days ago
      @Sander Mine also and I dread to think how I will cope if this bill goes ahead.
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      · 13 days ago
      @Fizzy Feet Mind is 2028 too. It’s not right 
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      · 13 days ago
      @Fizzy Feet Death apparently 
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    · 18 days ago
    This 4 point rule is what is going to really make the situation dire, I am hoping that part of their proposals gets thrown out at the start of what is now going to be them getting the green paper proposals pushed through all the stages to rurn it into a money bill Whatever age, conditions we all have this is going to affect all I do NOT think any of us can safely state that whatever age, category certain ;groups/categories are NOT to worry! They are ALL out to make it a 'money bill' this has has been their strategy from the outset. If this goes ahead which could end up going ahead rather quickly if there is insufficient opposition the HARM, IMPACT will be so far reaching that many will NOT cope with the stress of it all before the assessments even start! y forums will be privy to the fu

    I think there are few entities we can actually trust I do BOT believe the entire medical profession is on our side as others do I think we have to be on our guard and be selective of who we can call allies to the cause!

    MP's who have turned out to be in opposition of the cuts, we will have to wait and see now the green paper proceeds through the protracted process to become law if they will still stand by their fevolt against the reforms/cuts. 

    We ALL need to continue to make our voices heard to our p's and indeed disability charities and forums forums because there will come a time quite early on in the process as the proposals start to pass through the stages commons to lords and all the other stages in between. That NOT even disability forums will be privy to certain stages of the processes
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    · 19 days ago
    Debbie Abrahams, the Labour MP who chairs the Work and Pensions select committee, recently wrote to Liz Kendall, asking her to pause the vote on the cuts until MPs had had a chance to see the impact assessments. This was for a number of reasons, among which were the fact that her committee's inquiry had taken evidence from experts who warned that the cuts were likely to cause suicides. There was also an open letter to the government from dozens of medical professionals which also made it clear that the consequences of the cuts would be horrific.

    Kendall has now responded:


    She is refusing to pause the vote and, unless I've missed something, makes no reference to the suicide risk at all. So even the increased risk of suicides isn't enough to give her pause (and let's be clear, "increased risk" is putting it mildly - "virtual inevitability" is nearer the mark, given that Labour's cuts are even worse than those inflicted by the Tories, which also led to suicides). It's as though Kendall, Timms and Reeves have seen how appalling the Tories were and decided to do whatever it takes to show that they can be even more psychopathic. 

    She says that "our changes to Universal Credit will ensure those with the most severe conditions are
    always protected. We are proposing that those with the most severe, life-long health
    conditions, who have no prospect of improvement and will never be able to work, will see
    their Universal Credit protected, no matter when they start claiming the benefit. We also
    intend that this group, who cannot and will never work, will not need to be reassessed in
    future – providing dignity and security. We will set out more detail on these policies before
    Parliament votes on the changes and hope that you will be reassured."

    So the new UC premium is for those who are not only currently unable to work but whose condition is not expected to improve. I have no idea what she means when she says that this group will see their UC protected "no matter when they start claiming the benefit" - does it mean there will be a difference between existing claimants and those whose claims start after the changes are implemented? Maybe, but the phrase is far too vague to have any clear idea of what she's talking about.

    Since the vote appears to be coming up this month, it's clearly time to have letters/e-mails to MPs, especially Labour MPs, ready to go. I would suggest that it's a good idea to include links to the CAB report and also the report from Martin Lewis' organisation. Their verdicts are scathing, and both are highly respected, non-political organisations whose reports are likely to carry weight with MPs. 


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      · 2 days ago
      @Gabe L
      OK so you are "guessing"
      and you think you have a "sensible/logical way of classifying people"
      and "it would be good 'optically' to leave those people alone... especially as (maybe) half of those, will ALSO be pensioners."
      "But they may include more people..."

      Seems like rather a lot of "guessing" and "maybe" and "may" in what you're saying, or rather not saying.

      I'm 'guessing' that 'maybe' you 'may' consider going into politics...

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      · 13 days ago
      @Gabe L A friend of mine with colon cancer, which has spread to other organs now - lost his PIP & UC because they did not think he "looked that sick" that he could not carry on working. they said it would be good for his "self esteme" and help his depression he has with a 9 month - 1 year left to live. It is near impossible to prove how long someone may live for or how much pain they are in. He is only 51 and knowing that he most certainly has limited time left with his loved ones - why on earth would it help his "self esteme" to remove financal support for him. It made me feel so heartbroken and at a loss for words. 
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      · 13 days ago
      @tintack
      If you are currently in the Support Group for UC or ESA (via the  WCA) ... AND on a 10-year ( light-touch review ) ... I am guessing that this would qualify you for that 'group.'

      I think it is the ONLY sensible/logical way of classifying people.

      Also... it only accounts for 7 percent of the 3.5 million Pip-ers.

      So, it would also be good 'optically' to leave those people alone... especially as (maybe) half of those, will ALSO be pensioners.

      But they may include more people... 


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      · 13 days ago
      @tintack Same here my review isn’t until 2030
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      · 13 days ago
      @John Which by definition includes those on 10-year Light Touch/Ongoing awards... as this includes people with terminal conditions too.
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    · 19 days ago
    Hi all, I have just been searching for the AR2 PIP light touch review form and have found a sample one on B&W itself, presumably the latest version.  To access this please click https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/images/resources/PIP-AR2-Light-Touch-Review-Form.pdf

    It is possible of course that a further revision of this form may be used in future!  Nothing is certain in what I call "Benefit Land" and the mere fact that the Government says PIP claimants subject to a light touch review will not "usually"-or similar wording-be subject to a "full review" in my opinion doesn't mean they will necessarily stick to this in practice down the line - these politicians are not to be trusted as we know!

    Kind regards

    Mr B
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      · 12 days ago
      @Mr B Yes exactly. I have a ten year award which ends in a 'light touch review' in 2028. I've thought long and hard about this and decided to mention my change in circumstances over the last seven years, further health issues and hospitalisation etc. this has brought the review forward of course but I'm not taking any chances on the 4 points debacle.
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      · 13 days ago
      @john Yup. Do not declare a change. Simple.
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      · 13 days ago
      @john Would this still apply if the pensioner doesn’t have 4 points on one of the conditions?
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      · 13 days ago
      @john Would this still apply if the pensioner doesn’t have 4 points on one of the conditions?
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      · 19 days ago
      @john So if i change address it will trigger an assessment?
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    · 20 days ago
    My review for PIP is Nov 26, how lucky am I, so I guess I will lose out.  I can see this party being out in 2 years, but can quite believe they will use the  monetary bill to get their proposed changes through, they might want to note though that job vacancies stand at 736,000, so good luck with the pathway to work lies.
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      · 13 days ago
      @Elizabeth Vidler
      No. You will be reassessed under current rules ! New rules don't come in until 2028. And then... WCAs are being done on basis of your PiP status.

      But... they are 5 years behind with reviews even for 12 month reviews 

      So you may not be reassessed as soon as you think.

      Good luck.
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      · 19 days ago
      @Elizabeth Vidler Mine to Elisabeth Nov 26 we will be the guinea pigs. 
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      · 19 days ago
      @Elizabeth Vidler You will most likely get your review form about 8 months to a year before it's due,so you should miss out on any changes. Mine is due for a review sept 2026. 
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    · 20 days ago
    i am worried sick here my next planned review is 2028 but i dare say they will call it in early in 2027 i will be 66 i scored 2 in each daily living so i guess thats me done ...
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      · 12 days ago
      @val So am I, mine is 2028 too. Have you had any health changes? I will be 76 in 2028 so have put in for an earlier review.
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      · 19 days ago
      @val I know. I think that was a lot of ppls hope. It's horrific. Life of assessments, repeating ourselves, etc . It's not fair nor right we are treated so badly. Repeatedly. 
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      · 20 days ago
      @The Dogmother thank you but after all the years of horrible degrading assessments i thought i could retire in peace alas not so thank you labour 
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      · 20 days ago
      @val Mine is later this year or at least I'll get the review forms then,or later on next year.
      I'll be dumped off pip too.
      What a prospect for us all. Great that we are driven to such worry. But I won't give up. Don't you either.  
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    · 20 days ago
    See the government is repealing the vagrancy act 1824 that criminalizes rough sleeping and begging. Who says they are not thinking ahead about the consequences of their disability benefit reforms/cuts.
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      · 13 days ago
      @Patsy Now that sleeping rough in tents and being homeless is no longer a criminal offence, I wonder if they will give us tents if we become homeless when we have no money to pay for rent. I guess we could create tent citys and all disabled live together outside MPs homes and no. 10 Downing st as a permanent protest 
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      · 13 days ago
      @john Probably why they did it John,to save money throwing you off of PIP and get more money fining you for sleeping on the street. Win win.
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      · 13 days ago
      @James Only if you can afford a tent 
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      · 19 days ago
      @john @john, well they'd have to, or put us all up at his majesty's pleasure.
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      · 20 days ago
      @john Great then we can all pitch our tents in front of the houses of parliament then
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    · 20 days ago
    From Dan bloom on twitter:

    “NEW: Details on PIP/UC disability benefit cuts ✂️
    I hear a bill could be introduced next week, suggesting "second reading" vote is in the week of June 30 or later
    It's likely to be tightly focused on the cuts, while other welfare reforms will come only later in the year.
    This will concentrate Labour MPs’ anger, but could also allow the government to classify it as a “money bill” — meaning it would be made law within a month of being sent to the House of Lords even if peers still object.
    Officials have also held talks about putting the bill through a “committee of the whole house,” preventing lengthy evidence sessions with experts and campaigners. One insider argued: “You rip the plaster off, otherwise it just drags out for longer.”

    So what does this tell us?

    I think labour ministers either think the standard legislation route and getting a standard bill type through would be too close for comfort or they’d lose

    To fast track the bill (by making it a money bill) is the labour ministers playing dirty and cheating in a way and suggests they don’t think they can ‘win’ in this gov vs disabled ‘battle’ playing out ‘fair & square’ (something to half smirk about) 

    But if it does become a money bill it speaks huge volumes as gov reasoning for welfare cuts and reforms being driven primarily to help disabled into employment officially blows up and become total bull

    I hope the gov using these lowbrow tactics finally opens a real legit legal route to challenge all this in court

    Labour higher ups can’t be allowed to get alway with this by ‘fixing the deck’




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      · 20 days ago
      @tintack Very good points; I'd be interested in just how many do vote against.  Come the crunch, and their careers, will those planning to rebel, rebel?
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      · 20 days ago
      @D I think we may get a definite answer after Reeves outlines her spending review. I think the money bill route is the way the Govt plans to deal with the Green Paper.
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      · 20 days ago
      @D
      If they try something like this it means they know there's a very good chance the numbers are against them. However, presumably even if they make it a money bill and try to fast track it  there will still have to be a vote - in which case they're still likely to lose anyway. If they tried to ram it through even after losing a vote that would create uproar on the Labour backbenches and would be a terrible look to present to the public. Even trying to make it a money bill would in itself be an inflammatory move and only likely to increase the rebellion. 

      Of course, if a money bill doesn't require a vote that would still be a spectacularly stupid thing to do, because if they forced it through that way due to having too many of their own MPs being against it, anger among Labour MPs wouldn't just be inflamed, it would explode. 

      "This will concentrate Labour MPs’ anger, but could also allow the government to classify it as a “money bill” — meaning it would be made law within a month of being sent to the House of Lords even if peers still object."

      But if they lose the vote in the Commons then would it even get as far as the Lords in the first place? If the Commons votes it down then in theory it should be dead in the water.

      "Officials have also held talks about putting the bill through a “committee of the whole house,” preventing lengthy evidence sessions with experts and campaigners. One insider argued: “You rip the plaster off, otherwise it just drags out for longer.”"

      That would probably also inflame anger on the backbenches. They could probably get away with this sort of thing if the rebellion were restricted to a couple of dozen MPs, but when it's 150+? They'll be asking for trouble if they go down that road, and they'll get it. 
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    · 21 days ago
    Hes certainly not fit to be disability minister. He needs a review right now and kicked out. 
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      · 21 days ago
      @Del I agree with you but he's exactly the disability minister Mcsweeney, starmer and blue labour wanted.
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    · 21 days ago
    Working age claimants with ongoing awards with light touch reviews. Parliamentary written question UIN 54482, tabled on 22 May 2025

    Question
    "To ask the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, what steps she is taking to ensure that people claiming Personal Independence Payments with chronic health conditions are not subject to reviews unless there is evidence of significant change in their circumstances"

    Answer 
    "Reviews are an important feature of Personal Independence Payment (PIP) ensuring thesupport continues to meet the individual’s needs, as circumstances can change over time, and to make sure the correct level of support is being provided.

    People who receive the highest level of PIP and whose needs will not improve receive an ongoing PIP award with a light touch review at the 10-year point. The light touch review is intended to maintain a minimal level of contact with claimants to ensure nothing has changed and that we hold up to date information such as contact details.

    In the Pathways to Work Green Paper published on 18 March, we announced that we are considering ways to improve communication with people receiving these ongoing awards in PIP to ensure they provide the right reassurance for people whose conditions are unlikely to change and who are likely to remain on disability benefits for life that they will not be required to undergo regular award reviews.

    We have also launched a review of the PIP assessment, which I am leading. During this first phase of the review, I am speaking to stakeholders to gather views on how best to approach the review. We will then publish the Terms of Reference in due course."
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      · 13 days ago
      @rookie That is exactly what affects me, rookie. I am on 11 points for each section and have been since DLA days. I'm 72 and now have a limited life span, due to a diagnosis of Chronic Kidney Disease. There are things I can no longer do and need more help, but I'm afraid of losing PIP.
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      · 20 days ago
      @Chris @Chris, yes I was responding to extracts from @John's post, and as he has rightly said, I was suggesting Kendall give a straight answer, and what would be a properly reassuring answer, rather than the usual flim flam.
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      · 20 days ago
      @Chris
      The second part of rookie comment is made up what they would like to hear from the government. The first part of rookie comment is quoting part of my post what the government has said for which the link is. 
      https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2025-05-22/54482
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      · 20 days ago
      @rookie Is there a link to this?
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      · 21 days ago
      @John
      "People who receive the highest level of PIP and whose needs will not improve receive an ongoing PIP award with a light touch review at the 10-year point."

      "we are considering ways to improve communication with people receiving these ongoing awards in PIP to ensure they provide the right reassurance. .. that they will not be required to undergo regular award reviews."

      Thank you, secretary of state. Now answer the question. Something like this:

      "People of any age claiming Personal Independence Payment, with any level of award, who have chronic health conditions, will not be subject to reviews. If their conditions worsen they will be able, without risk to an existing standard award, needing 8 points, to request a review in pursuit of a higher award, needing 12 points. There will be no restrictions on the configuration of points."

      I'd find that reassuring.



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      · 21 days ago
      @rtbcpart2 Ah, to be 27 again....Love her fighting spirit (and cool name)
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    · 21 days ago
    The thing is I don't believe a word Timms or anyone from this government is saying. They simply seem to be making it up as they go along.
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      · 21 days ago
      @The Dogmother Oh thank you for that.
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      · 21 days ago
      @Helen Galloway Managed migration is still ongoing in my area. I'm dreading it. They even have ads on tv about it. Stating 
      "The benefits system is changing,look out for your migration letter, do nothing yet, and don't worry,there's plenty of help out there. "!
      Thanks for the constant reminder we don't need. Wonder how much the AD cost.  Wish they'd at least put it on hold for another while. 
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      · 21 days ago
      @Old Mother Is that still going on?. I thought I’d read somewhere that it was all a huge unmitigated success with it all completed by December last year. They really are useless. One comfort is that they will inevitable get things wrong slow rubbish delayed with the benefits cuts. But I am  sorry if you are having problems with this they are awful really . . 
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      · 21 days ago
      @Hilde Agrée. And the ongoing chaos of « managed migration » is currently going under the radar. 
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    · 21 days ago
    Hello all, I know this is not part of the thread, but since the Government is convinced that the way to reduce the benefits bill is to get disabled people into work.....well, I am in the early stages of going through the grievance procedure at work. Has anyone on this forum being through an employment tribunal in relation to disability discrimination and being successful? Any advice would be much appreciated. Frankly, most employers do not want disabled staff, and those they have they like to get rid off over time.
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      · 20 days ago
      @MATT
      I expected you wouldn't have that option but thought I'd throw it out there anyway.

      No they don't like unions.  We all know why that is.
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      · 20 days ago
      @Mick sadly no, and it's not a unionised company. There's an employment forum - many companies in the private sector do not like unions....
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      · 21 days ago
      @MATT Are you a member of a union that you can call on?
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      · 21 days ago
      @MATT Hope this is ok to post B and  W  ?  but I have seen a channel on you tube where the channel presenter won a case of discrimination of her employers treatment when she became  ill and it was in the media and  she won ! Her employer was the actual DWP I believe too ! The channel is called the justice journals on you tube . 
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      · 21 days ago
      @MATT Hello, I'm sorry I can't help because, as yet, I have no experience of this, but I would be very interested to hear how you get on, as I anticipate similar problems in the future. 
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    · 21 days ago
    Posted to my social media:

    As it stands, disabled people have to apply for 60% more jobs than people without a disability. With a weakening labour market to boot, where are all the jobs for disabled people when Labour snatches away their financial lifelines?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp92edelzero
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      · 21 days ago
      @Gingin thanks for sharing the article. I would like to change jobs, but at 57, partially sighted (and thus not allowed to drive) and increasingly hard of hearing, the outlook is not good for me. Sure, if I were able bodied, physically fit and 25, I would leave my present job now.
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    · 21 days ago
    Now is not the time to give up folks. We have an opportunity now that cracks are appearing. It can’t be easy for ministers to keep up the momentum and some of them are looking a bit worn now. With all the pressure they’re under after the humiliation of the WFA it wouldn’t take too much for them to show themselves up in public. It’s hard work to keep piling lie upon lie and it must be a bit embarrassing to be completely incompetent at your day job. You gotta feel for them, right?
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      · 21 days ago
      @Gingin Oh, @Gingin 😂

      They've well and truly shown themselves up for a while now.

      Timms is definitely on the edge. He doesn't have the fettle for this game. Noone in their right mind, let alone an astute and optics-conscious politician, would walk round a disabled woman who had collapsed on the floor.

      Now there's the thing "some of them are looking a bit worn now".

      Whereas us? We're looking fresh, crew, we're ready. It's just that noone can see...😉
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    · 21 days ago
    Here is timms saying the new system won't have a substantial risk catagory, I know that it what saved many of us last time we were assessed https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2025-05-30/55138

    "We are considering how any change of this kind could affect individuals who currently meet limited capability for work and work-related activity (LCWRA) criteria due to non-functional special circumstances; for example, those affected by cancer treatment, people with short term conditions that get better, women with a high-risk pregnancy and those currently classed as having substantial risk. Individuals in these categories may not be eligible for PIP, and therefore the UC health element, in the reformed system.

    In the reformed system these groups will still be eligible for UC and for the proposed new higher rate Unemployment Insurance if they meet relevant eligibility criteria. Individuals who are nearing the end of their life with 12 months or less to live will continue to be able to access PIP through the existing fast track route (Special Rules for End of Life (SREL) to ensure we protect those who are nearing the end of their life, irrespective of the duration of their illness."
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      · 20 days ago
      @tintack For the sake of clarity, when the green paper refers to still having LCWRA after a reassessment, I believe that's a reference to having a WCA between now and 2028.
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      · 21 days ago
      @Sam
      Having read that answer in full, he doesn't say if the change to LCWRA eligibility criteria will apply to existing claimants who get LCWRA under the current criteria or if it will only apply to new claimants after the WCA is abolished. The green paper says that your LCWRA won't change if you have LCWRA prior to April 2026 (I think that's right) and still have it after a reassessment. Does that mean it won't change until the new criteria are introduced, or does it mean that it won't change at all? And what if you have LCWRA now but don't get reassessed before 2028? 

      Once again Timms just regurgitates government soundbites without bothering to answer the question he was asked. 
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    · 21 days ago
    Looking at all the comments posted here so far, the only thing clear is that things are not yet clear on this issue of pension age PIP. Something further has, however, been revealed - that things are yet to be revealed, when we reach that that undefined point "due course".

    Despite an element of frustration in our still not knowing how pension age pip will be affected by these cuts, we have moved forward. We have backed the minister into a corner, exposed the government's duplicity and their lack of understanding and planning, their obvious attempt to pass legislation and sort out the practicalities, as well as deal with the fall out, or disregard it, later.

    By continuing to insist on a straight answer, we have furthered our aim to get to the truth. As gingin has pointed out, "it shouldn’t be this difficult", and it is not yet the whole truth, because the government has now admitted it has no clue as to what that is - they haven't worked out how pension age pip can be accommodated within the proposals. Timms has admitted that, and we know they haven't worked out how ANY disabled person's benefit claims can be accommodated within the proposals.

    However this is great progress, really, it is, and not just for pensioners. We have already proved that by keeping up the pressure on government we can call them to account (not least by bringing about significant local election embarrassment) and even when they try to avoid consulting us or waiting for an impact report, we can force our concerns, and bring a greater understanding of the challenges we face, as well as of how welfare works, into the public arena. We've told our stories, and we must keep doing so, in order to subvert the government's attempt to ignore us. That is how we move from changing the narrative to gaining influence in the decisions that are made.



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      · 21 days ago
      @rtbcpart2 Yes! We mustn’t stop backing them into
      a corner. 
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