Please be aware: this article deals with the DWP seeking new powers which some claimants may find distressing to contemplate. 

As the DWP steers a bill to give it access to 9 million claimants’ bank accounts through parliament, it is already pushing for additional powers of arrest, search and seizure.  In effect, the DWP is aiming to have its own anti-fraud police force and to be able to impose huge fines without going to court.  But should such plans go ahead?

Lessons from recent history
The current Post Office scandal is clear evidence of what happens when such powers are misused and there are some worrying parallels between the behaviour of the Post Office and the DWP, as we noted earlier this month in Post Office Horizon software originally aimed at claimants

And there is no doubt that the DWP are serious about getting these powers. 

In a May 2022 report entitled ‘Fighting Fraud in the Welfare System’ the DWP said that “we plan to create new powers so our officers will be able to undertake arrests and apply to search and seize evidence in criminal investigations, when parliamentary time allows. This will enable them to act in a timely fashion, without always having to rely on police resources.”

And last year we reported on a survey which the DWP claimed proved that the majority of the public want them to have such powers.

The DWP say that these powers will be used against “serious and organised fraud”, but how long would it take them to decide that allegedly fraudulent PIP, ESA or UC claims by individuals constitute “serious” fraud?

It is important to note that in the same May 2022 report the DWP used exactly the same phrase “when parliamentary time allows” in relation to creating legislation that would force third parties, including banks, to hand over data to them. 

The following year those provisions were slipped into a bill going through parliament and they are now at committee stage in the House of Lords. There appears to be no serious attempt to prevent them going through.

 So a DWP police force is a genuine possibility and the same technique of adding the provisions to an existing bill in order to allow it may be used again.

Huge fines
The same document also explains that the DWP want powers that allow them to introduce a new type of “civil penalty”, whereby they can impose very large fines on claimants they suspect of fraud, without needing to meet the burden of proof required in criminal courts or even to actually take the claimant to court. 

The fine will be based on a percentage of the amount the DWP believe, but cannot necessarily prove beyond reasonable doubt, the claimant has been overpaid.  It will be in addition to the claimant having to repay all of the alleged overpayment.

Your experiences
When concrete plans to introduce such powers are produced, it’s vital that claimants and the bodies that represent them are not caught unprepared and without evidence about what the results might be.

Crucially, we need to know whether the DWP is open, transparent, subject to effective scrutiny and has an ethos of abiding by the rules and regulations that govern its conduct

So, we’d like to know if you have always been treated fairly by the DWP or if you have you been left feeling helpless in the face of an organisation that makes rules, but doesn’t necessarily follow them itself?

For example:

  • Have you tried to report a change of circumstances by phone and been unable to get through?
  • Have you reported a change of circumstances in writing and received no acknowledgement?
  • Have you sent the DWP documents by recorded delivery, but they have denied receiving them?
  • Have you been threatened with legal action if you didn’t repay money without it ever being proved that you owed it?
  • Have you been told you must withdraw a claim for a benefit immediately or face prosecution for fraud, even though you know you have done nothing wrong?
  • Have you been interviewed under caution without being able to have anyone with you?
  • Have you been offered a deal by the DWP whereby you have to agree immediately to accept an award of a disability benefit that is lower than you think you should get or have the offer withdrawn and have to go to appeal instead?
  • Have you been treated in any other way that suggests the DWP cannot be counted on to follow rules and regulations and treat claimants fairly?

Let us know about your experiences in the comments section below, or use our feedback form if you prefer.  We may publish your feedback, but we will not identify you in any way.

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    Edee · 3 months ago
    Yes to all of the above. I had to repay all the money awarded to me over a two year period because the DWP accused me of not informing them when my husband took a part time job (that lasted less than a month). We did call and report it, but couldn’t proof anything. So thousands of pounds later in dept but at least I didn’t have to go to jail. Then last year when I was given a huge back payment owed by DWP after winning my appeal, they first deducted all the money I owed and paid me only a quarter out, but at least now I owe nothing more. I don’t believe that they are at all on the side of those in need, and if possible, would destroy lives of the most vulnerable without batting an eyelid. They should never ever have their own police with independent power. They are already working to undermine the needs and rights of those who receive benefits. As they can not be impartial as a court or the real police are, they should never be trusted to have such a power over us. We are not prisoners or inmates that committed crimes, we should not be treated as if we have all been convicted of a crime against the DWP, and therefore they should have the power to go through our bank accounts, go through our house and arrest us or give us fines on top of what they assume we have cheated them out of. It is inhumane to live under such fear, why should the weakest and the poorest of our country be treated like that. Is what they put us through just to get any benefits not torture enough. I think anyone who actually passes through their unfair assessment process and actually receives benefits should be able to have peace and be trusted by our government and the DWP. Thank you for letting me have a safe space to share my opinion.
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    kumar · 3 months ago
    well rules yes i agree but the way claimants are treated like we  done something in being ill with health conditions is a crime the whole sitution needs to looked st but in a  behaviour befit our great country 
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    Penny Smith · 3 months ago
    After not being able to get through to the DWP about a change to my telephone, I wrote a letter but never received a reply.
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    mave · 3 months ago
    when you read how tax loopholes are allowing big companies to avoid paying over 2 billion a year in taxes - do the government go after them and close these loopholes? no they introduce draconian measures to penalise and criminalise the poorest and most vulnerable in society.  You only have to hear the testimony given during the Horizon enquiry where they freely admitted removing and falsifying evidence to prosecute innocent people. It will be no time at all before this legislation is abused and used to cripple the vulnerable. Just because people are in a position (through no fault of thier own) to need help does not give any government the right to abuse them. I have worked since I was 13 and raised my mentally disabled son by myself and never claimed anything. Owing to declining health in recent years and a cancer diagnosis and treatment which has left me severely visually impaired I have had no choice but to apply for PIP. My most recent assessment was carried out over the internet and it was clear that the assessor was in her own home. When going through the assessment (nearly 2 hours) this wholly non medically trained person questioned everything from how long it took me to go to the shops, which how do you answer I have never taken a clip board and stopwatch with me!! She kept going on about dosages of medications I am on and even though I repeated that it was all on my form, the assessor was like a dog with a bone over it and then asked if I could get said medication to answer her question. Despite struggling really badly to get up and down to fetch my meds (which she made no reference to in her report) she noted that I was "observed" holding a medicine bottle and therefore only needed the standard rate of care!!! This is how underhanded and deceitful these people are and there would be nothing anyone could say that would convince me otherwise or that when they start going through peoples bank accounts that those who will be allegedly looking for fraud will not be on a bonus scheme for every one they "catch" as were the Horizon investigators???
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    Whiskers · 3 months ago
    In response to :-
    Have you been treated in any other way that suggests the DWP cannot be counted on to follow rules and regulations and treat claimants fairly?

    This is my experience.

    In my original claim for DLA as I had bowel cancer I was refused as I was having treatment even though I qualified for it. The DWP said as I was having treatment the prognosis was good.
    I showed this letter from the DWP to my Colorectal Consultant Surgeon and he was incensed  at this and said after my surgery, which was far from guaranteed as it could even be inoperable, that he would write to the DWP. 
    His reaction was, "how the hell can they know that my prognosis is good as even I (My Surgeon) who has all the CT and MRI scans don't know. I won't know till I get in there and put my hand on it to see if it will even move. If it is grown into the the aorta then all I will be able to do is sew you back up and offer palliative care." Then I would qualify for sure under the end of life rules.
    As it turned out they botched my operation, sewed me up with 4 inches of dead bowel inside me and as a result spent 14 weeks in hospital for my first stay and was in and out like a yo-yo for the remainder of 2012. Shortest stay home was 3 days, longest stay home was 3 weeks. Eventually left hospital after going from 105 Kg down to 64 Kg. I couldn't even walk and needed a wheelchair. All in total from March the 8th I spent 7 months in hospital in 2012.
    I also had a CAB advisor who was a literary rottweiler and with her letter as well my DLA was granted and backdated to my original application date.
    So in my opinion the DWP  are a law unto themselves and when even qualifying for DLA originally refused it on their own made up reasons.
    My advice is do not give up and appeal. 

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    Rob · 3 months ago
    No way let them 
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    Teresa · 3 months ago
    I am on PIP. I hate telephone calls. The past 2 renewals have been telephone calls.

    I suffer from anxiety and can never remember things.

    I only ever get short awards. They say its because my asthma can be cured. 
    I have severe, life threatening asthma.
    I never knew there was a cure. I  will always have this shadow hanging over me.

    I  want the companies to offer F2F assessments and the DWP to have decision makers with more insight of different health issues. So many have no idea! Xx 

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    albert abernethy · 3 months ago
    in a dog eat dog world this is just another good idea which will end up with more innocent claimants being punished and the scammers getting away .many of us want to do right but circumstances prevent it...nobody  has the right answer and ill thought ideas make matters worse...is this the next post office fiasco 
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    Mark Cooper. · 3 months ago
    Regrettably I am going to take a different tack here. First of all dealing with access to bank accounts,this power already exists under S109B(2A) SSAA 1992 in individual cases of alleged fraud. So no new powers there.In any case this is not automatic and an application must be made to a designated Authorised Officer who has to ensure that the request is necessary and proportionate in accordance with HRA Articles 8 &6. this power is also subject to judicial review and parliamentary scrutiny. As to who would have power or arrest the intention is to resrict it to small teams within Serious and Organised  Fraud. These officers deal with exactly that- Organised gangs who exploit the system often involving other crimes including drugs,people trafficking,modern slavery ect,as well as Individuals making false claims through ID hijacking and blatant greed eg Claiming PIP whist working full time as a deep sea diver on £100k PA.In any event any arrest would have to be authorised and approved taking into HRA. Further an arrest would automatically bring into play the rights and entitlements under PACE 1968 and its relevant codes.Eg being presented to a designated  custody officer in a place of detention. So no its not about all officers simply picking people up and carting them off to a jobcentre despite what might be thought.It is also a fact that all designated Investigators are extensively trained and assessed to national standards which emphasise HRA and compliance with the requirements of the criminal law.Any comparison with Horizon scandal is inaccurate as no DWP case can go forward without reference to Internal checks and final decision by the CPS. 
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      Andy · 3 months ago
      @Mark Cooper. Did you miss this bit in the benefits and work article above?

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      The same document also explains that the DWP want powers that allow them to introduce a new type of “civil penalty”, whereby they can impose very large fines on claimants they suspect of fraud, without needing to meet the burden of proof required in criminal courts or even to actually take the claimant to court.

      The fine will be based on a percentage of the amount the DWP believe, but cannot necessarily prove beyond reasonable doubt, the claimant has been overpaid. It will be in addition to the claimant having to repay all of the alleged overpayment.'
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    PeterLon1 · 3 months ago
    Hi I am on ESA as well as UC and have been for some time, as well as PIP which I have at top rate for both as beside mental health issue I am also physically disabled(before I was medically retired I did 2 jobs for over 40 years and paid into the system from both jobs). I have one account that pays all my monthly bills and that account is where my ESA goes, because of my mental health I am not good with money and this way I made sure all bases were covered. in 2020 the ESA part of the DWP cancelled my ESA without telling me despite is being part of their rules "DWP MUST NOT STOP PAYMENTS TO VULNERABLE PEOPLE WITHOUT DUE NOTICE AND THAT THEY ACTIVELY MANAGE EACH CASE TO ENSURE IT DOES NOT CAUSE DISTRESS OR HARDSHIP" it was only when I was informed of several standing orders being cancelled that I found out. it cause me to relapse with my mental health and to self harm again, and set me back months. It was only for the hard work of MIND that the situation was resolved and my ESA was re-instated. I managed to pay the outstanding standing orders from a small amount of rainy day savings I had which I have never been able to get back to having since.
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    Newfies · 3 months ago
    I had an assessor come to the house. She pushed my triple dislocated fractured shoulder up in the air and made me cry. She got impatient as the assessment took longer than she'd allowed and rushed through the mobility part. I had it taken away despite having had the high rate for over 20 years. One feels helpless against an organisation that is there to be against the claimant and not helpful to those who meet the criteria.
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    Lesley · 3 months ago
    I phoned to tell them I would no longer be entitled to ESA as I was awaiting confirmation of my Mum's estate. I had to phone 5 times before I got through. They asked for my bank statements from the time of Mum's death and a copy of the confirmation which I sent with no acknowledgement from them. They then gave me a reduced rate of ESA. I received that for a year. I got a letter recently asking for my current status, bank balance etc., which I again provided and have heard nothing in return.
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    Mo · 3 months ago
    A good many years ago, so hopefully changed for the better by now, when I was a registered child minder but on a very low wage, I applied for a benefit that I was fully entitled to.  At the time this was called Family Income Supplement.  I was turned down on the grounds that the criteria were different for childminders.  As I found out after prolonged personal research (my local MP was useless) this was a lie !  DWP persisted in the lie, forcing me to take my case to appeal.  The DWP representative who attended had been briefed to repeat the lie.  It was only due to my persistent diligence that I was able to reveal DWP's dishonesty and win that appeal.
    I am a reasonably well-educated and sensible person. but what horrifies me, is that there are people out there who lack my advantages, who would have been denied their rights in similar circumstances and would not have known how to fight the decision.
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    jennifer Howe · 3 months ago
    It’s a breech our our human right section 8
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    jennifer Howe · 3 months ago
    My bank account is mine. It’s one of those thing that we control and have to trust who does see any of  it. There are scammers all over the World how are the DWP different. It is a possibility there may be some in the DWP. Think about the Horizon situation. People in authority deliberately lying to keep themselves from justice and they sat back and watched the suffering of innocent people.  and being disabled in the Country is bad enough. Without looking at our Bank accounts. Does that mean We can look at theirs. 
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    Dan Rudge · 3 months ago
    There is nothing fair about this system. We all know it. We all know this is a deliberate pathway towards a more desperate and dystopian society. where the poor are propagandised into hating the other poor. while the rich get richer. We all know that it should be a national level scandal. but that requires press attention. And we will not get that due to the cronyism at the top.

    A lack of privacy from my bank account to the dwp is a fundemental change from innocent until proven guilty to guilty until proven innocent. I have done nothing to suggest i have committed a crime. Why am i under spend scrutiny as though there is a one size fits all spend?

    A DWP police force is a gestapo. nothing short. 
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    Eve · 3 months ago
    I represent a family member who has a brain injury. Last year I was told he had been overpaid ESA as I hadn’t notified them of his pension increase for 2 years and he would have to pay back almost £400. It took several hour + long phone calls, numerous unanswered letters and a tribunal to prove that they were at fault. 6 months of stress, fear and emotional distress I never want to go through again.
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    Robert · 3 months ago
    I don't think I would object to them looking into bank accounts as long as its a blanket policy, and we can look into the bank accounts of some of these politicians, to see what they get up to. 
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    Yvonne · 3 months ago
    I have DLA. (I hope I’ve been forgotten now I’m over pension age).  I made a renewal - I had been on higher mobility and low care - and was offered low mobility. I rang for a review on my mobility and was told if I didn’t accept what I’d been given I would get nothing, have to go to a tribunal and if allowed would only be given it for 1 year and would have to renew again. Husband was adamant we should fight but I just couldn’t so that’s what I’m on.
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      PeterLon1 · 3 months ago
      @PeterLon1 Oh and I agree with your husband you should have fought it they were out of order and wrong to say what they did. There are a lot of charities out there for most conditions that wouldhave helped you fight it, I would say at next review do not bow down and fight back.
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      PeterLon1 · 3 months ago
      @Yvonne Hi 
      Yvonne just to let you know if you had DLA/PIP before you were of pensionable age you can stay on that for the rest of your life if you are entitled to it and usually most of us that have been on it for years will never be in the position to come off of Disability unless they discovered a miracle cure for everything.
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    L.Burnett · 3 months ago
    Have tried contacting them multiple times by phone to report change in gp. Can never get through and ive given up. Have sent them a letter too but no reply.
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