A government minister has committed themselves to ‘urgently investigating’ alleged assessment tricks used by PIP and WCA assessors after they were raised by MPs at a meeting of the work and pensions committee last week.  We’re asking if you have had a similar experience?

Chloe Smith, minister for disabled people gave the undertaking to investigate after Dr Ben Spencer gave three examples of “covert assessment” raised by claimants at public meetings he had attended.

The first involved missing water cups, Spencer explained:

“One was there was water available at the assessment centre, the water cooler did not have any cups, but one down the corridor did. It was deliberate that the water cooler was broken or cups were not available to see if a person was able to walk beyond the first water cooler to get some water.”

“Another one was that lifts were broken deliberately, seemingly to assess that people were able to use the stairs.”

The third suspected ruse was a pen drop:

 “One person described the assessor dropping a pen in front of them—I think it was a pen or something like that—to see if the person would pick it up as part of a covert assessment effectively of their mobility.”

Spencer asked the minister “Would you commit to urgently investigating this to confirm whether this is indeed an accurate reflection of practices that are going on at the assessments?”

Smith responded:  “Yes, and if I may add on the example of the lift, I am also keen that all of our facilities are properly accessible. It would be unacceptable to have a deliberately broken lift so, yes, we will look into those.”

Of course, all of these may be perfectly innocent.  It may be that the nearest water cooler ran out of cups first, that the lift really was broken and that the assessor genuinely dropped their pen.

The real proof that these were dirty tricks is if they were used in assessment reports where the claimant was supposedly caught out by them.

But anything connected with the DWP is treated with such suspicion by many claimants that innocent explanations are the least likely to be accepted.

Other issues raised by MPS included what was described as the widespread practice whereby  claimants with a “severe visual impairment have to read letters off a chart at their assessment? Do you think that is acceptable? Do you think it builds trust?”

Another complaint was the lack of specialist knowledge displayed by some assessors.  One complaint received by MPS was that:

“The assessment was completed by a nurse that had never heard of my condition. She said she Googled it 5 minutes before seeing me. You cannot understand a complex condition with a 5 min

Google.”

Have you experienced something that you thought was a dirty trick or particularly bad practice at an assessment.  Let us know in the comments below.

You can watch the full committee hearing or read the transcript here.

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    Helen · 5 days ago
    How do I know ism entitled to a  backdated payment I was on lower rate care dla and high  rate mobility dla wen I changed to pip I had low rate mobility and high rate care ... don't understand how they could change it 
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    Mark · 10 days ago
    Is this even true coz dwp dont know about it they say
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    Ry · 16 days ago
    So received a letter stating that the law change and they looked at my claim and I’m not due anything, I applied for a mandatory reconsideration in January 2024, I had a call yesterday saying they looked in to this and have been awarded pip from 2016 till 2019 as 2019 is when they accepted my claim 
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    Ben · 16 days ago
    I just got my decisions through today and I’m owed £21900
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      R · 14 days ago
      @Ben Hi, Ben. Can I ask what the money was backdated for? Was it for the new change in pitbull? Communicating with others.
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      Bkaaag · 16 days ago
      @Ben Call this number this is the department working on these cases 08001216579 
      Hope this helps 
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      Bkaaag · 16 days ago
      @Ben When did your claim start if you don’t mind me asking?i called up and they was still sorting out the year 2016s claims and I started my claim back in 2017 and they said my claim had been flagged and they will get around to it they do it in years apparently starting from 2016..
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    Bryan · 19 days ago
    How do you do this? I called and they haven't a clue about it? 
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    R · 22 days ago
    Hi,

    I had a serious car accident in February 2022 - I was ploughed into at 50mph from behind whilst stationery, I lost my job because of it and haven't been able to work since due to severe whiplash. I had fully comp insurance yet I still haven't had compensation. 

    I never knew I may be able to claim PIP, does anybody know if it is possible to claim and get it backdated?

    Any input would be most appreciated as I have no savings left and may lose my house.

    Thank you in advance
    R
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      Lu · 20 days ago
      @R That's not pip that's not connected to benefits at all
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    Sonia · 29 days ago
    I put claims in for pip since like 2008 but only got awarded pip in 2019 and courts  but I was putting claims in for years and got rejected would I count for this but only from 2016 and what do I do if so 
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      Ray · 23 days ago
      @Sonia I'm afraid that you will only receive if they do decide to back date to 2019 I would contact the C.A.B or other places like your housing support there is other groups that can help with this matter
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    Citizen · 1 months ago
    Has anyone that got their award through the appeals process got a backdated payment, ie I do qualify for the leap award but because my decision was made by the tribunal I somehow do not qualify.

    I do know one person who has had the backdated payment who got his award on appeal but only have that one reference.

    Any input is welcome.

    Thanks

     
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      Ray · 23 days ago
      @Citizen I had to go to the tribunal about my PIP it took me awhile to receive it and but only got just over half of my reward back dated I did ask about the rest of it but I git no reply I phoned and wrote but no reply from that not even when c.a.b wrote to them 
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    TERRY PAGE · 1 months ago
    hi ive been on pip for about 3 years now due to having 2 lots of cancer, my question is i get my pip money every 4th tuesday, but im always borrowing after the 2nd week does any body know if pip would pay me every 2 weeks instead of every 4 weeks ??
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      Ray · 23 days ago
      @TERRY PAGE I'm sorry to hear your problem but PIP will only pay every 4weeks if your on benefits aswell  and struggling contact the c.a.b or housing support group there is a few that can help sort this problem out for you 
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      janette · 1 months ago
      @TERRY PAGE hi my daughter is terminal and gets her money weekly i would phone them and ask.
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      LJ · 1 months ago
      @TERRY PAGE I asked for my UC every 2 weeks. So I would phone PIP and ask it can only be a yes or no 
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    aprilpleasance1@gmail.com · 1 months ago
    Can anyone help me iv had mental health for a very long time also glaucoma and  artists I am on enence pip but only for the last 4 years befor that low but nothing has changed in meny years apart from the pain is alot worse. I sent in my review befor Christmas I got a tex on my phone saying they still have my pip form and will be progressing my review as soon as they can I still may need a assessment with a health professional. But I'm already under the mental health team and my mental health doctor my doctor physiotherapist and occupational therapist so I don't understand. And now I'm getting bold spots because I'm stress about having to go out I no I have someone with me most of the time anyway but panicking about just going out sorry it's long thankyou all.
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    Gilda · 1 months ago
    I don't know if they will pay me any backdate 
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    Charlotte Rycraft · 1 months ago
    Would this apply to me? I applied for PIP 3 times previously to receiving my first award in 2020, and I was rejected although I was regularly seeing mental health professionals for trauma/EUPD/anxiety
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    Sarah Doyle · 1 months ago
    How do i know if i am due any back dating money do they get in touch with you

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    Samantha Hepworth · 1 months ago
    Tried calling pip today was on hold 45 minutes just to be cut off 
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      Jan · 26 days ago
      @LJ Call the number at 9am on the dot
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      LJ · 1 months ago
      @Samantha Hepworth Same 😢 been 47 mins now and been cut off twice. Got to go through everything all over again!
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    Thomas · 1 months ago
    I was awarded 3 different  awards with different amounts of points signed by the same person all with the same explanation on each 1 for high rate 2 for middle rate my claim got cancelled but my partner does everything as I can't socialise and have severe breakdowns . How do I check a claim that's been closed ? 

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    Damien · 1 months ago
    AA Hi I’ve put mr in as got letter saying not effected did they ring you with desicion or just put backdated payment in your account before or after you received letter 
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    Sally kelly · 1 months ago
    I had to have my assessment in August 20019 I was part time until covid started I was classed as vulnerable so was not at work the whole time. Of covid dwp finally  assessed in August 2013 I recied.a text saying they was dealing with my claim finally  the dessition 2024 after sending more information I am so much worse can't work the enhanced my claim for daily living due to my c o p d anxiety also arthritis in my spine I can't go out on my own also hearing problems and they scored me 10 never inhansed I do online shopping unless my daughter takes me and I'm lucky if I can get around the shop due to pain .
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    Lorella gunning · 1 months ago
    How does this work as my husband was on high rate dla  as he was vetran lost it because of my investagaiton  done 
    By dwp and pip kept on saying they couldent find his orignal claim form but dwp fraud investagion so.hes not getting right money  wat a way to treat vetran 

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    Miss Romayne Singleton · 1 months ago
    Iwas given a lower care 2019 or before year later i was put back upto higher care that i always had before from the start of DLA higher rates for both mobility and carer so i missed alot of benifit my carers my mobility was always kept higher rate but carer was lowered after asking for a review took over a year now i have pip and ESA higher rate never had much refund a month only so am i one of the ones owed back payment
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      janette · 1 months ago
      @Miss Romayne Singleton i am the same i used to be on dla and esa, then got put to a lower amount so when i went to pip i got the higher rates going to ask about it
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    Richard · 1 months ago
    Is this uk 
    As I went from high rate of dla on both for life 
    To enhanced rate mobility 
    And standard rate of care for 2 years ,after a long wait on an internal appeal I got a call telling me I will get enhanced rate of both indefinitely, the face to face assessment was terrible, I went from a he to a she in two sentences 
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      The Dog Mother · 1 months ago
      @Richard Tell you better than that.. on one of my hospital reports I went from female to 'This gentleman '. Go figure. Also on one of my pip reports I was 32,I wish. I was 50 at the time.