There has been a massive response to the Modernising Support Green Paper, Stephen Timms, the DWP minister for disability has revealed.  And whilst the government is still not offering any certainty that the proposal to replace PIP cash payments with vouchers will be dropped, they do seem to be distancing themselves from the Conservative’s proposals.

Timms was answering a question on behalf of the secretary of state for Work and Pensions from Labour MP Cat Smith:

“To ask the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, when she plans to publish her Department's response to the consultation entitled Modernising support for independent living: the health and disability green paper, published in April 2024.”

Timms replied:

“The consultation on the Modernising Support Green Paper closed on Monday 22 July. Over 16,000 responses have been received and we will review these responses.

“The proposals in this Green Paper were developed by the previous government. We will be considering our own approach to social security in due course.”

The number of responses is more than ten times higher than were given to the DWP consultation on changes to the work capability assessment, which was launched in September 2023.  That consultation received 1,348 replies.

It is likely that the vast majority of responses will have been negative in relation to most of the proposals for changes to PIP.  It is encouraging to learn that so many people took the trouble to respond and it will have left the government in no doubt about the size of the fight they will have on their hands if they try to push through any of the more controversial ideas in the Green Paper  

The form of words used by Timms “We will be considering our own approach to social security in due course.” is identical to that used by Baroness Sherlock in the House of Lords last week.

Whilst it lacks any certainty, the phrase does suggest that Labour are planning to disown most of what the Conservatives have proposed.

Benefits and Work readers, who we know responded in large numbers to the Green Paper, can congratulate themselves on having spoken out so powerfully on behalf of the many PIP claimants who found the consultation too overwhelming to reply to.

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    · 3 months ago
    Meanwhile Rachel Reeves is going to have a budget on the 30th of October.

    Only Pensioners on Pension Credit will be entitled to winter fuel allowance is the first thing I saw.
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    · 3 months ago
    A slight glimmer of hope and I mean a slight glimmer well done everyone who responded to the consultation 
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    · 3 months ago
    Despite this or that speech that puts people in a state of relative reassurance. People must remain vigilant of kicks under the table because they will try to raise the issue of the voucher again, but in another way, as they said and emphasized that radical changes to the DWP are a goal for them.
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    · 3 months ago
    It's been obvious for some time that they would be disbanding the Tory's austerity features, including in welfare. However, while I am more inclined to believe they will have a softer approach than any previous Tory government has, it's still understandably anxiety-inducing for all of us. Rachel Reeves just announced that there will be a budget in October (I type while watching her statement today), and has said that there will be changes in tax but also in welfare, so we'll see what that means. It could mean tax goes up, but it could also mean increased payments in disability support for all we know. We all have to wait and see this Autumn.
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      · 3 months ago
      @Dean Eh!? Labour have literally just announced austerity features. Winter fuel allowance been one, cutting essential projects for growth being another. All to fund above inflation pay rises for the public sector to carry on tanking public services. Insanity.

      Sounds like 'I'm OK Jack so never mind about anybody else" attitude. With a large dollop of extreme political bias.
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    · 3 months ago
    Scaremongering and making people more ill ,the voucher system would never work .Too many benefits linked to pip eg carers and motability.Pip was only brought in 2013 ,since then hospital waiting lists so much longer and mental health declining.They will have to focus on this before reforming pip.
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      · 3 months ago
      @M shirker Me too.
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      · 3 months ago
      @M shirker @ M shirker The dreaded UC enforcement.  My sleepless nights over that continue. Never seen a bigger shambles in my life than that, for those who said it's straightforward I've heard of so many who said it was a living nightmare.  Not just the wait for first payment but the entire set up.
      I think it's the worst thing in the history of crap things the government dreamt up.  It's mafe to give is as much trouble as possible and nothing will convince me otherwise. If it was meant to be helpful or easy it would be an automatic switch over. 
      I'd rather be six feet under than have to force myself to apply. 
      I knew the 2028-2029  deadline for those on Ir esa was load of  hokum. 
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      · 3 months ago
      @mrfibro @mrfibro Yes and also a massive thanks and congratulations to IDS (Ian Duncan Smith) for his other shambles of a system called universal credit which I’m sure will be causing me much pain and misery in the near future once I’ve been deported from esa 
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      · 3 months ago
      @Claire Massive thanks to IDS (Ian Duncan Smith) - TORY.  
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    · 3 months ago
    According to the above article, the earlier, WCA, consultation received "1,348 replies", whereas the PIP Green Paper consultation received "Over 16,000 responses".  1,348 x 12 = 16,176.
    If these figures are accurate, there is an important error in this article.  It states,
    "The number of responses is more than _*ten*_ times higher than were given to the DWP consultation on changes to the work capability assessment"
    but it should report,
    "The number of responses is approximately _*twelve*_ times higher than were given to the DWP consultation on changes to the work capability assessment"
    I hope that B&W will amend this article?
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      · 3 months ago
      @asmith25 Totally agree,  at times the questions were not straightforward to answer but I helped my  mum through it , and we managed to finish it , some view points would of been duplicated by many others because of common sense issues or straight up reality so for that to be seen and read has to be acknowledged , so it is really good that  many people were able to fill it in many  with help I'm sure .
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      · 3 months ago
      @mrfibro Even so, the numbers were enough that the minister was moved to make a statement about it.
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      · 3 months ago
      @Faith What needs to be amended? The last time I had to calculate such complex mathematics, twelve WAS more than ten.
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      · 3 months ago
      @mrfibro You're right many more people should've replied but the way the consultation and its questions were written, there is no way most people claiming PIP could've answered it very well or at all. The questions were often misleading and closed and definitely coming from a biased and closed minded place. Because I had to go to tribunal, I learned a lot about the flawed PIP/ benefits process and I have a strong interest in politics and just researching things, and I still found it hard and just obtuse to answer it. The whole thing felt obscure and just weird, it certainly wasn't designed for claimants to answer it.
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      · 3 months ago
      @mrfibro I agree, its hardly a massive response compared to the amount of people in receipt of disability benefits.
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    · 3 months ago
    If they go ahead with this then they are going to have a very negative impact on people buying in shops, cafes basically everywhere. Businesses will go out of business. 
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      · 3 months ago
      @Angel They probably will, as most workers already can't afford to use them, as they are already struggling with their mortgage /rent hikes and  everything else that isn't free to tax payers I expect soon they won't be able to pay their private pension, but then who needs one of those when pension credit comes with so many entitlements
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      · 3 months ago
      @Angel They absolutely will go out of business and for a Government who have Growth as their mantra there won’t be a lot of that going on if people don’t have spending power.
      At the moment I’m not seeing any difference between the Tories and Labour.

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