Massive changes to personal independence payment (PIP) are being consulted on in the Modernising Support Green Paper to be published by the government today.  Any changes will only be put into law if the Conservatives win the next general election and the green paper is widely seen as an attempt to put pressure on Labour to declare its position on benefits.

The proposed changes are believed to include:

  • Ending PIP assessment for people with the most serious health conditions, including those with terminal illnesses.
  • Changes to current descriptors, especially those relating to aids and appliances.
  • Changes to the qualifying period for eligibility for PIP, to ensure it is only available to people whose condition will be long term.
  • Considering if PIP should only be available to people with a formal diagnosis by a medical expert.
  • One-off grants instead of regular cash payments for some claimants who need adaptations or special equipment.
  • Vouchers instead of cash payments.
  • Reimbursing claimants who provide receipts for the purchase of aids, appliances or services.
  • Providing people with lower extra costs due to their health condition with treatment, rather than regular payments.

The Modernising Support Green Paper will be published later today.

UPDATE: You can read more about the Green Paper and how to take part in the consultation here:  Replace PIP with a catalogue and decide whether food or medication is more important for disabled people - 2024 PIP changes Green Paper

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    · 6 months ago
    Iv a mobility car iv lost it once as I was reassessed then they gave me the higher rate again just had a new car all the stress took its tole I got in touch with my Mp who said he would do what he could letter came back just wait 18 months of stress and it’s happening again there saying people with mental health might not get help but all this is causing me stress anxiety and my depression is getting worse
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      · 5 months ago
      @Lorraine Cookson Well I’ve been saying this for a long time I’m defo
      Up for standing outside parliament shoulder to shoulder with all of us together
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      · 5 months ago
      @Lorraine Cookson An online petition would be more inclusive.  I just physically couldn't withstand travel, let alone the idea of being out sitting or standing in pain.  I'd suffer for weeks afterwards to protest in person.  My body is too broken, despite "looking well" to those who are ignorant to hidden illness & masking pain/symptoms.
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      · 6 months ago
      @Lorraine Cookson It's exactly because severely disabled people can't protest, as its takes all their energy yo just survive that they know they can do this vile behaviour plus we're such a small minority they don't care for our votes, but have ni fear, they've zero chance of getting back in so it's all hot air, like their unworkable Rwanda plan. Stay strong try not to worry about what hasn't happened yet, tomorrow is soon enough, self care and love for today, blessings all x
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      · 6 months ago
      @Lorraine Cookson i lost my mobility last autumn because i said i could walk slowly from my car to the main entrance of the hospital for appointments
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      · 6 months ago
      @Lorraine Cookson Yes
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    · 6 months ago
    Just look at how badly DFG grants are managed, and the bare minimum of aids and adaptations that are provided. no one knows when they will become disabled and how much it will cost! Many are already trapped in unsuitable, unsustainable housing because there is no alternative. They just have to pay more to stay where they are, and often can’t go out at all.

     If we had a functioning NHS we wouldn’t have to pay extra for dentistry or treatments that involve waiting years for. Our towns and cities are not properly adapted for disabled people. You can imagine where most of these ‘vouchers’ would disappear to, private ‘services’ set up by their cronies! And disabled people would get the equivalent of their shoddy PPE provision in return,  no doubt billions would be unaccounted for and we would be the cash cows, milked to death. Meanwhile disabled people would have to do what amounts to a tax return to justify the cost of their existence.  

    These are basic human needs, UniversaI Credit alone is not enough to survive on, we need PIP to live on as many of us will never be able to work again, much like pensioners cannot. I’d to see all the MP’s receipts for every ‘expense’ they have! Didn’t think so, cuts need to be made from the top down. This is social murder, I would go as far as to say democide if this is allowed. It isn’t about work, or being unemployed -  it should be common sense that some people can never work, so the changes would affect the rest of our lives, there are no miracle cures.  It is about our human rights and it is about time they are held to account, and the public knows this is not a democracy, it is a plutocracy. Anyone can become sick or disabled overnight, we are not all born disabled, even now disability benefits are not enough to live on, being disabled is not  a lifestyle choice. it is part of the human condition….. after they mishandled the pandemic, unsurprisingly more people are disabled now, not just from covid, but all the health conditions that were not managed during that time.  That will be a cost to bear for this whole generation, that’s what happens with pandemics, people don’t just get sick or die, they become disabled as well. Get the tories out!
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    · 6 months ago
    I am 75 and use my pip for paying for private dental care. The government is supposed to give us nhs dentists but there are none in the area . I have been on a list for 3 years. 
    This idea of vouchers is ludicrous who is going to implant all this ?
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      · 5 months ago
      @Anon My son has autism. I think he will loose everything  if this happens he doesn't need special equipment or adaptations but his pip helps him get out places as he is vulnerable and not road save.i don't see how vouchers would be any good .does anyone even know where they'd  be used
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      · 6 months ago
      @Wendy All dentists are private, it is their choice whether to accept NHS patients or not. The Government cannot force dentists to provide NHS care.
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    · 6 months ago
    Any idea what is going to happen with the motability scheme with these new proposed PIP reforms? Ordered a motability car a few days ago for the first time. Worried now if motability is coming to an end and it all falls through?
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      · 6 months ago
      @Chris L I done the same my car comes this week tho 
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      · 6 months ago
      @Chris L I’ve asked motability the same question and they told me not to worry and they will work with the government. However I am seriously considering handing my car back.
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    · 6 months ago
    Not happy this changing 🥲
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    · 6 months ago
    With Labour endorsing the principle that significant changes to PIP need to be made, we can expect something to happen when they form the next government. Let's all think about this and try not to become too despondent 

    Firstly, Labour had to make some sort of response to the Tories' desperate attempt to win back votes from disaffected supporters - so they have played the usual cards, immigration and benefits. Labour therefore needed to counter this by saying they have PIP plans as well. 

    Thinking back to the DLA to PIP migration, this started around 2013 and still hasn't finished, so what more a brand new, even more complicated and frankly ludicrous set of suggestions? They cannot simply stop PIP payments one fine day and post out vouchers instead because there would be chaos everywhere 

    If changes are to happen, this will involve a gradual evolution to a new system, probably starting with new claims being more closely scrutinised if in the opinion of the DWP they are unworthy of state support in the form of cash payments. Just this alone would take years and many worthy claimants will receive unfair treatment. 

    More serious cases, including B&W supporters on here, will be unlikely to be scrutinised with the same vigour. I would expect ongoing awards to remain ongoing because they have at least stated that those most in need of support will continue to receive it.

    There is already widespread opposition to the package of proposals in the green paper with the 2 main objections being that it is unfair and unworkable. I can think of a few more adjectives, but perhaps not for this forum!
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      · 5 months ago
      @dc Even IF they can, it will take years!
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      · 6 months ago
      @Kevin9320 they can stop it. and they will do if they get the chance. 
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      · 6 months ago
      @Kevin9320 I also expect existing awards to survive, I am overdue a new one, and now want it to happen, as I am sceptical now the DWP are now deliberately delaying reviews so they can be done under a new system.  My existing aware as extended by 18 months with no review, and the original end date has passed, I am in that extended period with nothing from them at all.  The new expiry date is in 2025, which will be after the election.
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    · 6 months ago
    Will the alternatives to cash payments affect everyone, or just certain people?
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    · 6 months ago
    The Government planned this for months possibly two budgets away say they helped the most vulnerable by giving a tiny rise (PIP) with their current inflation at that time for April 2024 and all the long with Labour too that they were bluffing the whole country because they the government care for our disabled and vulnerable people. Rubbish!!
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      · 6 months ago
      @N/A I’m disabled who cares!! 100%, its all planned in a short space of time but they drip fed the news months apart.  The disability white paper that we had circa 2 years ago had forecasted 80% drop in sickness and disability spending within 5 years, I remember thinking when I read it something fishy is going on, as they hadnt announced anything that would justify that, but now we know 2 years later how that 80% drop is happening.
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    · 6 months ago
    Extremely unhappy about changes I use my pip for bills and can't pay with vouchers. These changes are aimed at vulnerable people with no way of their opinions at all. I have a long term disability attended all assessments change cannot just be made by a government who do not know what is going on in the real world 
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      · 5 months ago
      @Alan j Yes. I think so too. They want people back to work if they can .
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      · 5 months ago
      @t Don't  think it's effecting pensioners  on pip ....its working age claimants on pip
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      · 6 months ago
      @Dawn like the American food stamps. designed to humiliate you and control what you spend the money on
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      · 6 months ago
      @ Christine same here, I have a large shortfall in rent as housing support doesnt cover it, and ESA as a whole isnt enough, so PIP fills the gaps.  To make matters even worse, ESA isnt surviving easier, they going all out on this and abolishing ESA and (most of) PIP within a few years of each other, destroying decades of social security progression within the space of a few years.
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      · 6 months ago
      @ Christine Well said!! How are we the long term disabled to do our food shopping ?? With vouchers!!! How rediculous…
      Sorry about the spelling
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    · 6 months ago
    Not happy to hear this changes I use mine to pay rent and for food and stuff what good is vouches going to do
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      · 6 months ago
      @Aaron Wish the was a law against them allowing to change disability payments 
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    · 6 months ago
    I use my pip to be able to travel to and from hospital, medical stuff that the NHS can't buy/give me.

    On top of being able to pay for food and clothes cause I been advised not to work due to the many health conditions I have.

    And now the tories are trying their hardest to commit a suicide jump on their party which is always falling apart and turning against each other like hungry wolves.
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      · 6 months ago
      @Lou Just don’t vote conservatives at the next general elections. If you do then it’s going to become law. They can’t sort out the NHS yet they are attacking the poor and disabled. But that’s what this part has always been about. Make the poor poorer and rich richer. To ensure nobody asks questions, just turn people against each other based on race, scaremongering of other countries or setting   Non welfare dependants against those who depend on benefits
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    · 6 months ago
    The money I get from PIP pays for my dental treatment, sciatica treatment and food. It’s not possible to get my teeth done on the NHS. Hopefully the government will come to their senses and realise as people get older they get long term conditions like cancer, mobility issues and mental illness conditions. They need that wee bit extra to survive. 
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    · 6 months ago
    "Perhaps they are waiting [for] the Tories to bury themselves first"
    I think so, @ Midnight, tearing themselves apart like Rumpelstiltskin in a fit of foot stamping and frustrated rage.

    Ditto, Colin Webb.
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    · 6 months ago
    All this is going to put more people into poverty than making things better it will make more people's mental health worse look at the one's that don't have an ongoing award stop trying to attack everyone who can't get jobs who have a disability or are trying to get a job but don't hear back from employers or either don't get selected by the employer 
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      · 5 months ago
      @CC Yes going to univeral credit
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      · 6 months ago
      @Bethan it will go further then that, ESA is going completely as well, I will be personally homeless from these change, begging family to look after me.
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      · 6 months ago
      @Kurt I would have to stop working if this happens, I cannot walk or get a bus to work,  the job I have is local and I'm supported at work to continue being employed, my travel expenses are £55 a week 
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      · 6 months ago
      @Bethan Exactly. Since PIP isn't a means-tested benefit, many people who have it either already work or want a job but simply can't find one due to silent discrimination or the lack of suitable stable jobs for them. This is nothing more than a mass attack on the disabled and vulnerable just like David Cameron's Tories did and will only serve to drive away the disabled vote for the Tories (and Labour too since they agree) 
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    · 6 months ago
    I said to my family these evil conservatives will end up going down the route of the Americans and start replacing cash with vouchers and have a big DWP stamp in the middle so when they go to a supermarket everyone will know they got issues and just look above and see what they propose to change (Vouchers instead of cash payments) complete evil party out to pick on the weak and vulnerable
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    · 6 months ago
    The Tories have just committed political suicide 
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      · 5 months ago
      @john Unfortunately they will in some ways.
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      · 6 months ago
      @Colin Webb Labour will continue it 
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      · 6 months ago
      @Debbie McFarlane Labour are always better for the poor and vulnerable. We never fare well under the Tories. I look to history and also to what we know for sure about the Tory plans. My vote will always be anti-Tory.
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      · 6 months ago
      @john I think whoever gets in next election will follow suit, I'm afraid.
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      · 6 months ago
      @Colin Webb I love this…..I’ve been worried all day thinking about what would happen if the Tories won the next General Election…….

      I feel much better now reading your response Colin Webb 😊
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    · 6 months ago
    The Tories will not win the next election, I'd stake my (very small) life savings on that, so at this moment I'm not really all that worried about all the vile vitriol this current government is spilling out. My big concern at present it's Labours lack of response right now, their silence is deafening. This is a perfect opportunity for them to come out and say they are disgusted by these proposals etc, but they are just not saying anything ?🤔

    Perhaps they are waiting to the Tories to bury themselves first 👍
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      · 5 months ago
      @Midnight Labour will do the same as the tories we need to vote them both out and keep them out. 
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      · 6 months ago
      @wibblum SPOT ON
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      · 6 months ago
      @Midnight they also haven't said they support it. i think they say nothing because they dont want to put off more conservative voters. hopefully im right i cant imagine labour screwing over the vulnerable like this
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      · 6 months ago
      @axab43 Yes-100% agree!
      The Toadys have guaranteed the last nails in their collective coffins.
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      · 6 months ago
      @Midnight Rather than take the tories to task over their hideous ideologies, Starmer and Reeves and their ilk are desperate to court the centre-right swing voter because the party 'wisdom' suggests it's the only way they'll ever achieve power. Can't risk offending those swing voters by appearing to be too 'loony lefty' (which appears to be code for 'compassionate' as far as the right is concerned).

      The point for us, however, is that even under such distasteful circumstances a Labour win would buy us more time to try and force revisions to such 'reform' as this, if nothing else.

      The tories, on the other hand, must be stopped NOW.
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    · 6 months ago
    Fascinated  to see how a voucher system would work. Let's interrogate this idea. Mobility can be the greatest expense for the disabled, and when we cannot use public transport and the motability scheme does not offer a vehicle suited to our needs, buying our own car is the more practical and efficient means to mobility. Sometimes we need a driver too.

    It can take at least the remaining life of a used car to save for a replacement, especially with the savings threshold for means tested benefits (which many on PIP also need) being under £6k before they are eroded and used car prices increasing. We can rarely afford a decent vehicle.

    However, if the plan is to actually meet our needs directly, no cash, just vouchers for the aids (in this case the car), I can't wait. No more codging and bodging through the mot, no more breaking down on the drive, sending the chauffeur home for the day, freezing when the heater packs up, sweating when the windows jam, sellotaping the wing mirrors back on, steel seal in the radiator. No, we'll have A VOUCHER, woo!

    It's state of the art electric for me, air conditioning, infotainment, self parking (self driving if we want to save on the driver, but that would be doing someone out of a job), medical station. Plus, if we're going to be sleeping in it, @Tubby, fridge, stove, fold out bed, and it's going to have to be BIIIIG.

    Way to go guys 😂
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    · 6 months ago
    The Tories believe that this is a possible vote winner - currently there is 32 percent of households in England with at least on disabled person. 

    I would imagine any Torie voters reading the media the coverage that live in one of the above households - disabled or non-disabled would now think twice about voting them - ever again 

    This has and will back fire - 

    1-0 to Labour - (with and own goal by the Tories) 
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    · 6 months ago
    It says Sunik favours vouchers instead of PIP monthly cash so is it the poor who have to ask please sir can I have a voucher for this or that it is totally outrageous. This Gov is still advertising that they want more people to apply for unclaimed benefits. Now we need to press Labour on what it wants to do, in the 90s do you all remember that the tories DWP put many unemployed onto incapacity benefit then at the tory conference Peter Lilly stood up and said I have a little notebook of work shy on this benefit and reformed it to then incapacity benefit. Then in the 2000s again reformed to ESA which would be taxed if it went over £85 holy moly that small amount and then now I am a Pensioner again DLA to PIP in 2016 to which I now receive a very small private pension and I am taxed on that now they want to take away my disability PIPS and there is no mention of the Motability Scheme are they going to stop that as well as to be honest even if we have a car we will not be able to afford it if cash is taken away. And at only £184 a week it is still not enough for many disabled to manage now let alone take it away are they living in another reality even the commutators on talk radio did not not know it was such a small amount of money they all thought the hype of we are living in the lap of luxury totally nuts. 
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      · 5 months ago
      @Debbie McFarlane That’s what they want. A world full of rich ppl that make money and then get taxed higher and higher to make the politicians rich. They don’t want ppl like us that can’t work and getting benefits
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      · 5 months ago
      @Norma The biggest problem is that the 'Peter' is the working man and the 'Paul' who gets paid is big business who can afford to not pay their tax by threatening to close shops etc like Costa did
       How about introducing vouchers instead of expenses for MP's, bet that would go down a treat, or putting them up in an ill-maintained council tower block instead of buying them expensive houses for their 4 year stint of 'serving the people'.
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      · 6 months ago
      @john you're not a labour person? you might want to rethink that real fast
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      · 6 months ago
      @Debbie McFarlane i agree its unbelievable that wealthy people get PIP. but sunak says nothing about that
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      · 6 months ago
      @Norma I have never voted but I will be this time. Any party will be better than the Tories so for me it's more a case of voting to get the Tories out as opposed to who I want in 

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