A Benefits and Work reader attending a Timms review workshop has been told by a panel member that a short triage call will decide whether claimants are sent a PIP2 claim form or put on a separate assessment route with no cash award at the end of it.  The workshops, part of a £1 million co-production contract, have been criticised for their lack of detailed information and for using tokens and a sheet of coloured paper to get attendees’ feedback.

Token consultation

Benefits and Work has obtained copies of the documents and slides emailed to Timms Review workshop participants prior to online workshops, as well as copies of the paper documents used at in-person workshops.  We have also received  accounts of what took place from attendees of both types of workshop.

The documents show that the written information provided is identical to the very sparse, often unclear, details given in the Timms review September Update.

The workshop material is separated into 24 recommendations and participants divide into groups for four separate sessions, each considering one of the groups of changes.  They then join together, with one person from each group selected by the paid facilitators to give feedback.  The facilitators make notes and provide them to the Timms review itself.

In-person attendees are each given a token and, for every one of the 24 recommendations, they are required to put their token on a communal sheet of paper divided into three coloured bands.

Green represents “Great principle, I am in favour”

Orange represents “Broadly happy but some concerns”

Red represents “Causes real concern”

The number of tokens in each colour band for each recommendation is recorded and the results are fed back to the Timms review.

For the online workshops, attendees use a shared screen where they can drag and drop green stars, orange triangles or red squares onto each question.  Many people were unable to make the software work.

Not co-production

One of the slides provided to participants explained:

“The steering group recognise that these workshops have not been co-produced but are important opportunities to hear directly from people who interact with PIP."

not co produced

A private sector company, The Public Service Consultants, is being paid £1 million for “Professional Services for Co-production Expertise for the Facilitation of the TIMMS Review”.

Disabled people’s organisations, on the other hand have struggled to get any funding at all to carry out Timms review “Workshop in a Box events”.

The same slide also claimed that “Your input is really important to us and will shape the next stages of the Review’s co-production process.”

However, the workshops have a huge amount to get through, with 24 proposals to consider.

But the most consequential issues are left to the final session and the cost-based system for deciding awards does not appear until the very end of the workshop, slide 60 out of 60.  Participants have reported that there was not time to discuss the idea.

cost based

Pathways to nowhere

Although nothing new was put in writing for participants, three members of the Timms review panel attend each workshop to observe and also to answer at least some questions.

One of our readers learnt from a panel member that the proposed model involves an initial triage phone call during which a claimant explains their situation.  They are then placed on an “assessment pathway”.  The panel member explained that, for some, this will be the PIP pathway that allows them to claim a cash benefit and perhaps services as well.  For others, it will be a pathway that may lead to goods or services, or possibly just signposting, but not to a cash award.

If the details given to us are correct, the result could be thousands of potentially arbitrary and unexplained decisions not to allow a PIP claim to go forward.

The panel members did not say whether there would be a right of appeal against the chosen pathway.  But even if there were, it is probable that the appeal would only be about whether the DWP had made a legally correct decision about which pathway to place the claimant on, not about eligibility for PIP.

If triage calls and the abolition of the work capability assessment (WCA) do both go ahead, then the savings on assessment costs will be very considerable.

No light to shed

There were many issues the Timms review panel were unable to shed any light on.

They could not say whether the new system would apply to current claimants when their award comes up for review.

They could not say what would happen to the work capability assessment, even though the way PIP would replace the WCA is one of the things the panel was supposed to explore.

They couldn’t say what would happen to benefits for under-22-year-olds, although these are increasingly being attacked by politicians and the media.

They couldn’t say how a costs-based system would work, though one panel member suggested that this might have to be decided after the Timms review has concluded.

One thing the panel members were able to confirm is that there is no Plan B.  The split-pathways model, leading to a cost-based assessment for some, is the only model they are considering.   

Begin the fight

Participants have bravely tried to extract information from Timms review panel members and to make their views heard.

But, in the end, it seems unlikely that workshop participants placing tokens on coloured paper is going to have a dramatic effect on the outcome of the Timms review. 

The big decisions are almost certainly being made elsewhere and, indeed, have probably already been made

However, there are still more workshops and more opportunities to try to winkle scraps of information from panel members. 

And, most importantly, more opportunities for attendees to reject these shadowy proposals wholesale, marking the first step in the fight to prevent the worst of the Timms Review recommendations ever coming to pass.

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    · 13 days ago
    I'm worried that there aren't more comments here!...... There used to be 100s on this site, now only 64 in over a week...  
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    · 14 days ago
    For those who went to a tribunal, and won...
    I did, and got a 10 year without review decision.
    However, with 5 years left, I face the prospect of fighting for it again at 74 years of age!!
    And I will... But I will be contacting my MP to find out what is occurring post Timms, and whether my review will be rubber stamped indefinite, or I will have to prove I haven't recovered from a Laryngectomy, shot knee cartilage in both knees, Osteopenia in my lumbar vertebrae, and asthma, chronic bronchial...
    Contact your MP now... don't hesitate or wait and see...
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      · 14 days ago
      @David Macfie Was your decision not a light touch one then coz if so light touch decisions for claimants of pension age which you now are should be a hell of a lot easier to achieve than if you were below pension age
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    · 14 days ago
    The I interactive exercise is inherently biased with 2 positive options (great principle and broadly happy) and one negative option (causes real concern).
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    · 14 days ago
    I have really started to believe that the rich don’t want any disabled people to be alive, what with benefits being squeezed and the cost of living still rising many of us will face paying for heating or eating. The choice will be freezing or starving to death. 
    I am already struggling mentally, physically and emotionally. And my financial situation is not great. I am absolutely dreading my next PIP and esa reviews. 
    My depression and anxiety are both off the charts. 
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    · 15 days ago
    This whole thing is very worrying for anyone on benefits As deciding that it is ok to not give money To people in need could spread to other benefits  Child benefit comes to mind As an easy one to change to non cash This non cash benefit could spread This is not just a disability issue but An issue for anyone on any benefit at all As if this comes in anyone is fair game
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    · 19 days ago
    This is an Annus Horibilus.
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      · 13 days ago
      @N.B.C (real one) Hoping they will leave people over 50 alone is understandable I am well beyond 50. But if we start agreeing to any kind divisive policies like removing the ability of young people to apply for benefits the politicians will always find ever more ideas to divide claimants with inevitably one group getting nothing.
      We are all handed a lifetime tax burden we most pay or end up in prison. Anyone given that burden should have a right to apply for benefits irregardless of age. Only solidarity can help us if we start in any pointing at others the Farages and Badenochs will win.
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      · 16 days ago
      @N.B.C (real one) Bless, i hope they do. I know how you feel im constantly checking papers and news for any glimmer of hope that we will be spared unnecessary changes. 🙏 
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      · 17 days ago
      @JBob1234 I really hope they leave 50+ on the current system because while it's not anywhere near perfect at least it's one we are more or less familiar with. 

      I ,for one, don't cope well with change as it makes my anxiety and panic levels  infinitely worse as I depend on things staying as they are as much as possible just to get through each day which ATM is not proving even remotely easy given what we are concerned with that might happen to us.
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      · 18 days ago
      @JBob1234 Thank you so much for your reassurance it is great to have people with your wisdom and knowledge on this forum.Im on an ongoing award review due after December 2028 so here's hoping 🤞🙏 and wishing you the best 🤗
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      · 18 days ago
      @JBob1234
      "Where older working age people are treated differently to younger working age people".

      Yes, where older working age people are not working age, but pension age, as they should have been, without having to prove they are incapable of work.

      They might be tinkering with the age at which to start the so called disability pension, but what it boils down to is that raising the spa has had an unintended, and only recently recognised, consequence of directing 'older working age people' onto pip, causing the government to clutch its pearls and lament the growing welfare bill, and giving it another excuse, along with blaming 'neets' who aren't even claiming, to target the sick and disabled for cuts.

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    · 20 days ago
    Here's a draft email people could send their local MP. I sent a personalised version of this to my local MP: 

    Draft letter to MP: Keep PIP as a cash-only benefit

    Subject: Please defend PIP as a fully cash-based benefit

    Dear [MP’s name],

    I am writing as your constituent and as a disabled person who claims Personal Independence Payment (PIP). I am deeply concerned that the Timms Review could lead to PIP being changed from a cash benefit into a system of restricted goods, services and referrals.

    A recent Benefits and Work report raises particular alarm. One of its members attended a Timms Review workshop, held to seek feedback on proposed PIP reforms. They were told that a short initial telephone call could determine whether someone receives a PIP2 form and proceeds towards a cash award, or is placed on a different pathway offering goods, services or even only “signposting”. The Review’s September update refers to a “light-touch initial assessment” and different assessment pathways, but it does not say who would receive cash, who would not, or whether people could appeal.

    A brief telephone call cannot capture the real impact of pain, fatigue, distress, mobility problems, fluctuating conditions and the extra costs of disability. Many claimants cannot explain their needs by phone. Some cannot use a phone. A triage system could deny people the chance to make a full PIP claim.

    PIP must remain a fully cash-based, non-means-tested benefit. Disabled people need flexibility to meet the costs that matter in our own lives: heating, food, laundry, taxis when public transport is inaccessible, care, communication and many other costs which no rigid list can predict. Goods or services chosen by officials cannot replace this control.

    Disability Rights UK has warned that cost categories and different pathways would create an impairment hierarchy and threaten choice and control. The cross-party Work and Pensions Committee has also warned the government that restricting access to PIP would “further increase pressure on other services”. Cutting cash support would shift costs into the NHS, social care, local-authority crisis services, food banks and families. It would also make it harder for disabled people to retain work, volunteer and take part in our communities.

    Please publicly oppose any proposal that reduces or replaces PIP cash awards. I ask you to press ministers for a clear guarantee that PIP will remain cash-only, that no claimant will be excluded through a brief triage call, and that disabled people will have meaningful power in shaping any reform.

    I would be grateful for your response and for confirmation of the action you will take.

    Yours sincerely,

    [
    [Postcode]

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      · 13 days ago
      @bronc That’s excellent. I must cut and paste if my fingers will allow!
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      · 15 days ago
      @bronc Thank you for time in doing this. Its excellent and very important. I certainly wouldn't be able to keep up with telling them the things i need. When i need a taxi etc. Irs heartbreaking. 
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      · 20 days ago
      @bronc Good for you, @bronc. Helpful for us to have something ready to go.
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    · 20 days ago
    The most worrying quote for last nights guardian article:

    “The possibility of removing it for existing claimants – not just new ones – is being looked at.”

    Up till now this Labour gov and the previous Tory one has somewhat protected pre-existing claimants (either by offering transitional protection for at least 1-2yrs and/or not switching existing claimants to a new system till it’s been somewhat established so at least 1-2yrs+ after launch)

    This quote suggests existing claimants may be affected straightaway for this no lcw/lcwra for under 25’s idea which is unheard of previously at the ‘guinea pig’ stage of any new welfare policy.

    And if they are considering it here then you can’t rule the Labour gov roping in pre-existing pip claimants from any pip reforms (cuts and condition tightening) from the get go instead of the normal grace period (so as soon as the next pip review is due)

    And if I’m honest I thought Labour would carry on the unofficial rule of pre existing claimants exempt from incoming changes for a decent grace period but guess Labour are willing the scrape the bottom of the barrel

    I am starting to wonder if the tories may be a preferential vote to Labour next ge - yes kemi is vicious and that Helen lady belongs in a dystopian prison but they were so incompetent in trying to get their welfare cuts through last time & were taken more to court over welfare than this Labour government (in terms of welfare 2.5yrs of this Labour gov has done at least equal damage to the last 4-8yrs of the last Tory gov)

    Also those of us who rely on financially comfortable relatives as a additional safety net (as incapacity welfare isn’t often enough), it would be better for said relatives to have a Tory gov over Labour (who will increase multiple taxes for anyone who’s a saver and has a bit of spare change) - as long as they don’t prioritise the nhs & get blocked trying to leave the echr

    Thankfully the strategic vote in my area seems to be the Lib Dem’s but 2nd preference is less clear


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      · 14 days ago
      @C Your sentence re voting Conservative is highly spurious as they wanted ALL of us to live off vouchers and thin air. 
      I think there is currently no good option for us at this time, possibly the Lib Dems as you say but definitely not the Conservatives.
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      · 15 days ago
      @C Agreed 

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      · 19 days ago
      @C What we actually know:

      * The government has explicitly said PIP is intended to remain a non-means-tested cash benefit for disabled people.
      * The Timms Review is looking at changes to the assessment criteria and descriptors, and its terms specifically say the government will consider how any recommendations might apply to existing claimants. That means existing awards haven’t simply been excluded, but it also means the eventual treatment of existing claimants is not yet settled.
      * There are already measures being used to extend some existing PIP awards rather than immediately reviewing them, with some claimants receiving extensions of up to four years.
      * The government’s own review material recognises that reassessment can be particularly burdensome and is examining how the system could work better for people with long-term conditions. 
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      · 20 days ago
      @C Are you strictly referring to under 25s in that statement or everyone generally 
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      · 20 days ago
      @C The Conservatives did not protect existing claimants when they abolished Severe Disablement Allowance awarded for life and told claimants to apply for ESA. Nor when they abolished working age DLA, including for those with lifetime DLA awards and told them to apply for PIP. Nor when they abolished council tax benefit and replaced it with local authority run council tax reduction schemes. Nor when they changed support for mortgage interest lowering the amount and making it a loan at interest.

      Labour looks likely to honour LCWRA Severe Conditions Criteria Group will not be reassessed awards, and PIP ongoing/indefinite awards/light touch reviewed every 10 years which is not a reassessment.
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    · 20 days ago
    The following are the steering group members of Timms Review:

    Dr Mark Brookes MBE, Advocacy Lead, Dimensions UK
    George Fielding, Disability rights advocate and Non-Executive Advisor
    Tara Flood, Head of Co-production, London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
    Mark Fosbrook, Disability Inclusion Manager, West Midlands Combined Authority
    Ben Geiger, Professor of Social Science and Health, King’s College London
    Katrina Gilman, National Officer for Disability Equality, UNISON
    Jean-André Prager, Senior Fellow, Policy Exchange and Director, Flint Global
    Dr Lucy Reynolds, Chair of Board of Trustees, Disability North, and Founder, We Are All Disabled CIC
    Dr Felix Shi, Lecturer in Management, Bangor University
    Dr Dharshana Sridhar, Head of Public Affairs, Spinal Injuries Association
    Phil Stevens, CEO, Disability Action Haringey, and Chair of the Board of Trustees, Disability Action in Islington
    Leila Talmadge, Founder and former Director, Autistic Knowledge Development CIC

    Although most of them are disabled or have disabilities, they're not ordinary disabled people struggling with daily living expenses counting pennis like most of us, as they all have high-paying jobs and do not necessarily need PIP or might not even practically know the role PIP is playing to cover essential day-to-day needs for the majority of claimants.
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      · 15 days ago
      @Scorpion Was wondering about who they were...thanks for that
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    · 20 days ago
    Quite a lot of discussion about lcwra. Thought it was a pip review.
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      · 20 days ago
      @rookie The new PIP assessment system is supposed to replace the WCA in 2028. With PIP daily living component giving eligibility to UC health. So only one assessment system.
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      · 20 days ago
      @rookie It was!

      Up till yesterday we thought upcoming cuts were going to focus on pip because we only just had uc/lcwra.

      But these welfare/disability ministers seem to think they are like Netflix (with the 2 price hikes in one calendar yr) and think that multiple disability welfare cuts is the new norm!

      McFadden quickly raising up the ranks of the most hated work & pensions sec of state ever (he’s battling it out with stride and Coffey imo)
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    · 20 days ago
    Timms has done an interview with Disability News Service

    One point Sir Stephen (pictured) was clear on in the interview was that – according to the draft recommendations – no PIP claimant would be forced to accept products or services, such as therapy or mobility equipment, instead of cash.

    He said there “may be circumstances in which it will be better for people claiming PIP to request the funding goes into a service of some kind rather than them receiving the cash”, as currently happens with the Motability scheme.

    He added: “This is what is being suggested on a completely voluntary basis, completely voluntary.”


    And the Guardian are reporting on what the changes to UC health and PIP are being considered.

    The most severely disabled no loss of money and no reassessment regardless of age.

    Everyone else:

    People aged under 25 including pre-existing claimants no UC LCWRA, no or limited PIP.

    People aged 25+. No reduction in the amount of UC LCWRA. Eligibility and award changes for PIP.

    People aged 50+ or possibly 60+. No change to the PIP system or possibly a different PIP system. The government has been looking at other countries which have early disability pension systems for older working age people.
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      · 15 days ago
      @JBob1234 Thanks JBob. Above is very helpful. I am a joint UK/German citizen back in the UK since 2021. I am a severely disabled card holder in Germany which is permanent. I just applied for it with all my medical evidence. No interview and no reassessments at all after a 2 tear qualifying period
      You refer to early disability pensions in other countries. Germany offers one. I can retire and take my German state pension at 63 due to my 60% severe disability status. 
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      · 18 days ago
      @JBob1234 "The government has been looking at other countries which have early disability pension systems for older working age people."

      This is not a bad idea, except in cases where younger working-age people have disabilities or health conditions which are generally more common in older people.

      Just thinking that every single time I attend a hospital appointment, 95% of the other folks in the waiting room attending the same clinic as me, are all at least 20 years older than me, and I'm nearly 40!
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      · 20 days ago
      @JBob1234 I read this too and it was made quite clear that no ONE would be forced to take vouchers over money.  Disability news put it on FB 

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      · 20 days ago
      @JBob1234 @JBob1234

      They're comparing their thinking with 'early disability pension systems', though, something which might not have been necessary if the spa hadn't risen.

      Dress it up how you like, it would be a way of compensating people who have been cheated in the contract they entered when they thought ni contributions would allow them to retire at a given age.
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      · 20 days ago
      @N.B.C (real one) Neil no point in wishing your life away.
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    · 20 days ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/oct/01/welfare-changes-under-debate-disability-benefit-young-people-uk

    Apologies to one and all all disabled people need to fight and stand up against these proposals. McFadden is the most unpleasant and non empathic politician who wants to target the sick and Disabled again. Apologies to everyone and all at Benefits and Work Team
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    · 20 days ago

    "However, a central option under consideration for young people is removing the health element of universal credit for claimants under 25, which has already been almost halved to £217 a month, and offering intensive support for people to get into work. The possibility of removing it for existing claimants – not just new ones – is being looked at."

    So, they're going to replace UC LCWRA for the under 25s with employment support - even though you only get LCWRA if you've been assessed as unable to work. Brilliant.   

    "One possible plan is for a separate regime to apply to the under-25 age group, with reduced or withdrawn entitlements – although those with the most severe and debilitating disabilities would not lose any money."

    Those young people are sure to be voting Labour in droves at the next election if this goes ahead.

    "More broadly, officials are working up plans under the replacement system for a new set of eligibility criteria and assessments for the extra costs of disability, and looking at whether this would apply to all claimants of working age, or those below a cut-off point such as 50 or 60. Again, those with the most severe conditions would not lose money or be reassessed.

    Officials have also been returning to the idea of cuts to the Motability scheme at a future budget, after axing tax breaks worth £300m. The scheme allows disabled people to use their Pip benefit to lease new cars for three years."

    Another Motability cut. It just gets better!

    "One Whitehall source said removing or further cutting the health element of universal credit for those older than 25 had been considered, but government sources said this was not on the table."

    How nice of them.
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      · 20 days ago
      @tintack I shouldn’t worry too much about Motability cuts. They are busy killing themselves. The advance payments are now so crackers, the mileage limits so low, and they refuse to pay for just about everything these days. I needed some wiper blades and was told they needed replacing, but the dealer says to get authorisation now they need to be ripped and literally hanging off !
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      · 20 days ago
      @tintack Ooh, lots of different age tiers and exceptions. Keeping it cheap and simple to administer, not.
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    · 21 days ago
    If you have a look on dwp website their favorite slogan is back?Incase your wondering it’s the “perverse insensitives”one 
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    · 21 days ago
    What you said  @D -

    "The more I think about the timms workshop proposal pip plan the more ridiculous and unworkable it looks"

    Spot on. Believe it.
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    · 21 days ago
    There is so much negativity and doom and gloom happening here we are more than capable of fighting back against the nastiness that is coming. At least I hope so because I'm literally shaking with fear as I can't cope any other way than the way things are now and it's enough of a considerable effort just to maintain my grip on any hope left. So please consider this when you're posting such things on here..

    Thank you.
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      · 20 days ago
      @N.B.C (real one) I agree, it's very easy to panic over all this but we are a huge community of fighters (we've all had to be, haven't we?) and if we can get them to drop that stupid 4 point rule, we can definitely get them to drop these crazy changes.  Please everyone, take a deep breath and stay strong; we've got this!
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      · 20 days ago
      @Rupert You are overlooking the 25-50 age group

      That is looking like criteria change and probable exclusion of non specialist diagnosed mental health condition, adhd and autism.

      There’s a reason why autistic individuals have the lowest hired court of all disabilities. As an autistic person I’ve been expecting the worst for months and just want to get in one more pip review on the current system to give me a little time to figure things out (my extension till summer 2028 could really stuff up my mid term future as there’s a chance those we a similar review date could be existing claimants guinea pigs to any rushed through pip reviews)

      I hate the limbo of not knowing when the welfare system will exclude me because a few overpaid ghouls don’t fully understands how autism and other invisible conditions can psychologically cripple a individual 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Rupert Oh god I hope you're right.
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      · 21 days ago
      @Rupert Hi Rupert that’s the vibes I’m getting has well 
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      · 21 days ago
      @N.B.C (real one) Neil alot of this from the Politicians is Hot air and will never get passed and judging by what I've read they seem more interested in the youngsters rather than the over 50s.
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    · 21 days ago
    The welfare reform that would stop many jobless under-25s getting universal credit proposed by the Tories this morning, and hinted by Any Burnham's government, will not produce satisfactory results as they're claiming it, the reason being the fact that, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), around 300,000 to 400,000 young people who are NEET (not in education, employment, or training) in Great Britain, representing roughly one-third to nearly half of the total NEET population, are currently not claiming any benefits whichsoever, relying on family support, and therefore are completely off the radar of the benefit system, and the DWP is not in a position to force this cohort to have contact with Jobcentre Plus work coaches.
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      · 21 days ago
      @Scorpion
      Exactly, a typical skewing of the figures. I know several in their early 20s who live with family and get ad hoc employment to fund their lives and give mum and dad a bit of upkeep. No benefit eligibility so they don't claim, no tax liability so they don't pay. All legal.

      Wouldn't it be ironic if, as might well be likely because they have motivation and family support, if that were the exact cohort that benefited most from the government drive to get neets into education or training. It might even be that those who haven't been claiming so far do so, just to get onto the schemes.

      Not much tax revenue on the low wages, and no savings on welfare because the least able neet cohort remains on benefits.

      Great goal, McFadden, just an own goal.
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    · 21 days ago
    There is so much speculation and doom and gloom on this forum at the moment it is so difficult to stay positive reading and participating on it. 

    My CPN looked at it with me and said it is not good for mine or anyones mental health with all the speculation about so called cuts coming as nothing is concrete at the moment and from what she has been informed is that PIP is not being got rid of and these proposals are only that at the moment. She also said that anyone with a serious mental health disorder like Bipolar, Schizophrenia, psychosis, BPD and clinical depression the government would not dare touch due to the danger of those affected being a danger to themselves to others. She said this will also be the case for serious disabled and diagnosed conditions. 

    We really need to stop speculating, reading the propaganda in the media and save our energy for a fight for when the report is published and the direction the government is going to go with it. With all the speculation snowballing we will be worn out and not able to stand together and fight. 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Sarah. The fight has already unofficially started. McFadden is already putting forward his argument of reforms (aka cuts and criteria tightening) as the ‘morally right thing to do’ both publicly and privately. It would be silly for us not to be doing the same right now.
      If you read the disability news service sites ministers have been give the opportunity to say that rumoured pip reforms are false but they didn’t.

      Disabled people do not have the luxury to wait for the official timms publication - we’ve got to maximise the next 5-8 weeks and start getting Labour backbenchers on side as that will be a huge deciding factor if McFadden, milburn and timms worrying ideas are able to be implemented 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Sarah. Hi Sarah I totally agree if a disabled person has been officially diagnosed with a severe disability or mental health problem and work would be a danger to that persons health or mental health  than you have nothing to worry about it this government or any government can not go against consultants who specialise in a specific physical or mental health conditions the government be thrown into the human rights high courts so let’s all not panic and wait to see what reforms are coming or not coming. 
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      · 21 days ago
      @Sarah. Hope your right I have Schizophrenia.
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      · 21 days ago
      @Bruce
      @Bruce

      I wonder whether you might be referring to your post saying some "'other news' comments" are leading you to think

      "This part of the site is becoming somewhere that I, sadly, consider a doomscrolling zone".

      I agree we don't want to be whipped up into a panic, but, as I indicated in reply to your earlier post, I don't think it's a bad thing that people have a chance to express genuine anxiety if it helps them and means they are able to access alternative views, advice and reassurance.

      i precisely said "I feel that any irritation arising from comments which seem to stray from the point is outweighed by the value of being able to share immediate concerns"

      which was not to dismiss objections to more extreme or distracting commentary, but simply to say some people find comfort in being able to reach out, and I think we can accommodate their worries, which are easily distinguishable from intentional scaremongering, which we should challenge, of course .
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      · 21 days ago
      @Sarah. Absolutely agree, I was at meeting, and had a different take on lots of this. There were clearly improvements proposed in some areas.
      Worrying just creates another wellbeing problem.



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    · 21 days ago
    I'd just like to remind everyone that due to war and climate issues, neither of which look like resolving in anything like the near future, Britain is going to be suffering shortages of many of the things we're used to seeing on an everyday basis. Expect empty shelves to become the new normal, not just in the supermarkets either. Inflation is going to go through the roof and stay there. I don't think Labour or anyone else will have a hope in hell of getting benefit cuts through in that sort of atmosphere. Social security, designed and implemented by Germany's 'Iron Chancellor' Otto Von Bismarck in the 1880s, will need to be massively increased, not cut, and that will be in an environment where many more are out of work than now. 
    Stay strong. 
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      · 21 days ago
      @billkruse The world could change beyond recognition. Some people predict AI will within the next decade cause mass unemployment. So if humanity survives the rise of AI there will need to be a system of universal income.
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      · 21 days ago
      @billkruse In which who is going to pay the tax? Big tech? They will relocate to the USA or other low tax jurisdictions. And a declining middle class will not have the resources to pay benefits in terms of tax. I do believe you are correct in terms of the havoc climate change is going to have on everyone. 
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      · 21 days ago
      @billkruse I truly hope you're right.

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