A Benefits and Work reader attending a Timms review workshop has been told by a panel member that a short triage call will decide whether claimants are sent a PIP2 claim form or put on a separate assessment route with no cash award at the end of it.  The workshops, part of a £1 million co-production contract, have been criticised for their lack of detailed information and for using tokens and a sheet of coloured paper to get attendees’ feedback.

Token consultation

Benefits and Work has obtained copies of the documents and slides emailed to Timms Review workshop participants prior to online workshops, as well as copies of the paper documents used at in-person workshops.  We have also received  accounts of what took place from attendees of both types of workshop.

The documents show that the written information provided is identical to the very sparse, often unclear, details given in the Timms review September Update.

The workshop material is separated into 24 recommendations and participants divide into groups for four separate sessions, each considering one of the groups of changes.  They then join together, with one person from each group selected by the paid facilitators to give feedback.  The facilitators make notes and provide them to the Timms review itself.

In-person attendees are each given a token and, for every one of the 24 recommendations, they are required to put their token on a communal sheet of paper divided into three coloured bands.

Green represents “Great principle, I am in favour”

Orange represents “Broadly happy but some concerns”

Red represents “Causes real concern”

The number of tokens in each colour band for each recommendation is recorded and the results are fed back to the Timms review.

For the online workshops, attendees use a shared screen where they can drag and drop green stars, orange triangles or red squares onto each question.  Many people were unable to make the software work.

Not co-production

One of the slides provided to participants explained:

“The steering group recognise that these workshops have not been co-produced but are important opportunities to hear directly from people who interact with PIP."

not co produced

A private sector company, The Public Service Consultants, is being paid £1 million for “Professional Services for Co-production Expertise for the Facilitation of the TIMMS Review”.

Disabled people’s organisations, on the other hand have struggled to get any funding at all to carry out Timms review “Workshop in a Box events”.

The same slide also claimed that “Your input is really important to us and will shape the next stages of the Review’s co-production process.”

However, the workshops have a huge amount to get through, with 24 proposals to consider.

But the most consequential issues are left to the final session and the cost-based system for deciding awards does not appear until the very end of the workshop, slide 60 out of 60.  Participants have reported that there was not time to discuss the idea.

cost based

Pathways to nowhere

Although nothing new was put in writing for participants, three members of the Timms review panel attend each workshop to observe and also to answer at least some questions.

One of our readers learnt from a panel member that the proposed model involves an initial triage phone call during which a claimant explains their situation.  They are then placed on an “assessment pathway”.  The panel member explained that, for some, this will be the PIP pathway that allows them to claim a cash benefit and perhaps services as well.  For others, it will be a pathway that may lead to goods or services, or possibly just signposting, but not to a cash award.

If the details given to us are correct, the result could be thousands of potentially arbitrary and unexplained decisions not to allow a PIP claim to go forward.

The panel members did not say whether there would be a right of appeal against the chosen pathway.  But even if there were, it is probable that the appeal would only be about whether the DWP had made a legally correct decision about which pathway to place the claimant on, not about eligibility for PIP.

If triage calls and the abolition of the work capability assessment (WCA) do both go ahead, then the savings on assessment costs will be very considerable.

No light to shed

There were many issues the Timms review panel were unable to shed any light on.

They could not say whether the new system would apply to current claimants when their award comes up for review.

They could not say what would happen to the work capability assessment, even though the way PIP would replace the WCA is one of the things the panel was supposed to explore.

They couldn’t say what would happen to benefits for under-22-year-olds, although these are increasingly being attacked by politicians and the media.

They couldn’t say how a costs-based system would work, though one panel member suggested that this might have to be decided after the Timms review has concluded.

One thing the panel members were able to confirm is that there is no Plan B.  The split-pathways model, leading to a cost-based assessment for some, is the only model they are considering.   

Begin the fight

Participants have bravely tried to extract information from Timms review panel members and to make their views heard.

But, in the end, it seems unlikely that workshop participants placing tokens on coloured paper is going to have a dramatic effect on the outcome of the Timms review. 

The big decisions are almost certainly being made elsewhere and, indeed, have probably already been made

However, there are still more workshops and more opportunities to try to winkle scraps of information from panel members. 

And, most importantly, more opportunities for attendees to reject these shadowy proposals wholesale, marking the first step in the fight to prevent the worst of the Timms Review recommendations ever coming to pass.

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The proposals described in this article are not the current PIP rules. The Timms Review has not yet published its final recommendations.

We will be following developments closely and reporting what is proposed, what is confirmed and what it could mean for claimants.

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    · 24 days ago
    Sorry I have gone through it again as I read the comments about there will be no welfare state including pensions in a decade time, I cannot see where it says that, that being said this report is just dreadful to understand. 

    Can someone please clarify it, thank you. 
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      · 23 days ago
      @Sarah. I can't take in any of it. @Sarah it won't sink into my brain..maybe because I've had flu from Saturday or maybe its my cognitive problems. 
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      · 24 days ago
      @Sarah. I think you misunderstood my comment Labour wants to get as many young, including disabled people into work, there's,s the Timms Review - see very helpful analysis from benefits and work - and speculation that the triple lock will go to.psy for social care. And that's before the possibility of a Tory/Reform government in the future. At this rate there'll be little of the welfare state left in ten years time.
       
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      · 24 days ago
      @Sarah. No it is just an opinion.
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    · 24 days ago
    I am completely lost with this, what on earth does it all mean. And more to the point how much did the taxpayer have to pay for this Timm's report because it seems to be a complete waste of money and time. 
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      · 24 days ago
      @Sarah. @Sarah I agree it all seems mind boggling a shambles worrying a complete mess with no clear answers as what is going to happen in the future I suppose if they then link all this pip mess to a new uc health award then that means would not qualify for anything
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    · 24 days ago
    Doesn't surprise me in the least.

    Within the next decade there will be very little of the welfare state left (including pensioners)
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      · 24 days ago
      @Matt I would have thought their would still be a pension in a decades time but in the future perhaps paying into a Private pension will become a necessitey
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    · 24 days ago
    Absolutely disgusting. 
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    · 24 days ago
    Can someone tell the main newspapers news reporter's about this disgusting mess
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      · 23 days ago
      @thelux The proposals fill me with dread. PIP works in the main and provides crucial financial aid for many living with disabilities. The problem isn't how PIP works but how the Government wants/needs to save money. Incidentally the last training course I did at work was for PIP before I had no choice in stopping working. Isn't it ironic! As someone already mentioned decisions have likely already been made but by conducting workshops they can say disabled people had a say. But it seems the convoluted workshops were designed to leave the issues that are most  needed to be discussed until the end where there was little time for discussion and I'm sure many of the disabled people who took part were absolutely exhausted. The enormous cost of this review seems such a waste of money, money that could be helping people in need. What gets me the most is that the current rhetoric being touted in the media is how this is "hard working tax payers money", which only serves to alienate the public towards disabled people and those that need financial aid. 
      However what they fail to talk about is how the majority of us have paid into this system. It's helped others when we didn't need it but it's been there if we did. I've payed my taxes and national insurance contributions for over 40 years. I was a hard working tax payer and I would very much rather still be one than having to live in constant excruciating pain and having the constant worry that the financial help I do get could be stopped or cut at any time. And although this subject is about PIP, little has been said about ESA. The whole reason they have made people change to UC is so they could split up the payments of contributionary ESA and Income related ESA, which was paid together as one payment. The majority of us paid tax until we couldn't work, and we were were then entitled to contributionary ESA and in some cases Income related ESA. The contributionary element is an indefinite award and also non means tested (awarded due to contributions we made) and herein lies the real reason for the migration to UC. Because then it's announced that contributionary ESA is going to be stopped. So many people are going to lose this crucial income which amounts to nearly £600 every month. It's all just disgusting 🫣 Yet so much money is wasted in this country.
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      · 24 days ago
      @Wayne The Newspapers no they will have no sympathy as they want Benefit Claimants back at work.
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      · 24 days ago
      @Wayne The mainstream news are just the propaganda wing of whichever government is in power. They all unanimously never stop harping on about how we need to - 'cut the massive benefits bill!''

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