A Benefits and Work reader attending a Timms review workshop has been told by a panel member that a short triage call will decide whether claimants are sent a PIP2 claim form or put on a separate assessment route with no cash award at the end of it.  The workshops, part of a £1 million co-production contract, have been criticised for their lack of detailed information and for using tokens and a sheet of coloured paper to get attendees’ feedback.

Token consultation

Benefits and Work has obtained copies of the documents and slides emailed to Timms Review workshop participants prior to online workshops, as well as copies of the paper documents used at in-person workshops.  We have also received  accounts of what took place from attendees of both types of workshop.

The documents show that the written information provided is identical to the very sparse, often unclear, details given in the Timms review September Update.

The workshop material is separated into 24 recommendations and participants divide into groups for four separate sessions, each considering one of the groups of changes.  They then join together, with one person from each group selected by the paid facilitators to give feedback.  The facilitators make notes and provide them to the Timms review itself.

In-person attendees are each given a token and, for every one of the 24 recommendations, they are required to put their token on a communal sheet of paper divided into three coloured bands.

Green represents “Great principle, I am in favour”

Orange represents “Broadly happy but some concerns”

Red represents “Causes real concern”

The number of tokens in each colour band for each recommendation is recorded and the results are fed back to the Timms review.

For the online workshops, attendees use a shared screen where they can drag and drop green stars, orange triangles or red squares onto each question.  Many people were unable to make the software work.

Not co-production

One of the slides provided to participants explained:

“The steering group recognise that these workshops have not been co-produced but are important opportunities to hear directly from people who interact with PIP."

not co produced

A private sector company, The Public Service Consultants, is being paid £1 million for “Professional Services for Co-production Expertise for the Facilitation of the TIMMS Review”.

Disabled people’s organisations, on the other hand have struggled to get any funding at all to carry out Timms review “Workshop in a Box events”.

The same slide also claimed that “Your input is really important to us and will shape the next stages of the Review’s co-production process.”

However, the workshops have a huge amount to get through, with 24 proposals to consider.

But the most consequential issues are left to the final session and the cost-based system for deciding awards does not appear until the very end of the workshop, slide 60 out of 60.  Participants have reported that there was not time to discuss the idea.

cost based

Pathways to nowhere

Although nothing new was put in writing for participants, three members of the Timms review panel attend each workshop to observe and also to answer at least some questions.

One of our readers learnt from a panel member that the proposed model involves an initial triage phone call during which a claimant explains their situation.  They are then placed on an “assessment pathway”.  The panel member explained that, for some, this will be the PIP pathway that allows them to claim a cash benefit and perhaps services as well.  For others, it will be a pathway that may lead to goods or services, or possibly just signposting, but not to a cash award.

If the details given to us are correct, the result could be thousands of potentially arbitrary and unexplained decisions not to allow a PIP claim to go forward.

The panel members did not say whether there would be a right of appeal against the chosen pathway.  But even if there were, it is probable that the appeal would only be about whether the DWP had made a legally correct decision about which pathway to place the claimant on, not about eligibility for PIP.

If triage calls and the abolition of the work capability assessment (WCA) do both go ahead, then the savings on assessment costs will be very considerable.

No light to shed

There were many issues the Timms review panel were unable to shed any light on.

They could not say whether the new system would apply to current claimants when their award comes up for review.

They could not say what would happen to the work capability assessment, even though the way PIP would replace the WCA is one of the things the panel was supposed to explore.

They couldn’t say what would happen to benefits for under-22-year-olds, although these are increasingly being attacked by politicians and the media.

They couldn’t say how a costs-based system would work, though one panel member suggested that this might have to be decided after the Timms review has concluded.

One thing the panel members were able to confirm is that there is no Plan B.  The split-pathways model, leading to a cost-based assessment for some, is the only model they are considering.   

Begin the fight

Participants have bravely tried to extract information from Timms review panel members and to make their views heard.

But, in the end, it seems unlikely that workshop participants placing tokens on coloured paper is going to have a dramatic effect on the outcome of the Timms review. 

The big decisions are almost certainly being made elsewhere and, indeed, have probably already been made

However, there are still more workshops and more opportunities to try to winkle scraps of information from panel members. 

And, most importantly, more opportunities for attendees to reject these shadowy proposals wholesale, marking the first step in the fight to prevent the worst of the Timms Review recommendations ever coming to pass.

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    · 22 days ago
    What's going to happen to carers allowance when they remove pip and replace it  millions off people will be affected as well as removing pip 
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      · 21 days ago
      @N.B.C (real one) I think it is wrong that different councils can have different rules.  It should be the same across the board.  Cornwall council do a one band reduction if you qualify so you might go from a D to a C for example under the disability band reduction scheme.  You obviously have to meet the strict criteria to get it.
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      · 21 days ago
      @D
      "I’m 99% certain that this triage call will be used to exclude a number of conditions (mental health conditions with no specialised official diagnosis. ADHD, autism, back pain, etc…..)"

      Given the incessant nonsense about "mild" mental health conditions, autism and ADHD, it does sound as though the triage call is designed to exclude those conditions. Not so sure about back pain - maybe if you don't have a diagnosis, and so can't point to a specific cause. I still have a significant spinal deformity even after extremely major surgery and almost half my entire spine is now held up by rods and screws. If they dismissed that as "just back pain" I'd be pretty damned furious.

      We'll have to see what actually emerges from the Timms review. I think Burnham would be making a massive mistake if he signed off on anything really horrendous. It might well cause another almighty row with his backbenchers (which proved to be the beginning of the end for Starmer), and even if they were able to avoid a significant revolt among their own MPs, that is not going to stop sick and disabled people from protesting on a similar scale to last year - and after what happened last year, there will be media attention on what happens this time, so they won't be able to sneak it under the radar.
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      · 21 days ago
      @Mick On the Wirral the highest reduction you can get now is 50% reduced down from 85%
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      · 22 days ago
      @Wayne
      It will be disabled council tax band reduction, watersure and priority services register, carers allowance, blue badge, motability, UC carers element, benefits cap, UC housing allowance if you need extra bedrooms and no doubt other things that aren't coming to my mind right now.  Then for me on top of all that, as if that isn't enough to worry about, I still have no idea how all this would work with War Pension and the supplementary allowances.

      It will absolutely destroy people.
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      · 22 days ago
      @Wayne I totally forgot about that 

      I’m 99% certain that this triage call will be used to exclude a number of conditions (mental health conditions with no specialised official diagnosis. ADHD, autism, back pain, etc…..) but even though on paper these may be so called ‘minor conditions’ many individuals with these conditions have family members in frequent to full time carer roles (many of which already don’t qualify for carers allowance - saving gov a fortune already)

      The other thing that came to mind is that if a existing or new claimant gets rejected at the triage interview stage (and not allowing to fill in the paperwork for a cash based award) what are the appeal rights going to be. I’m not sure of human rights and legally rights but surely you’d have the right to ask for a 3rd party (independent from the dwp) to look at your triage claim (mr are done in house with the dwp so not impartial - so that would mean something similar to a tribunal judge would be needed to relook over things)

      So basically that leaves the door open for claimants to have to go through 2 tribunals per claim/review - one if they disagree with triage decision and another if they disagree with the pip assessment decision. So costing more time and money

      And that’s the better less chaotic option

      The dwp might close all appeal routes for a triage decision (if you get a vindictive dwp staff the other end of the phone you may be illegally and unfairly rejected at the first hurdle. No route to challenge an unfair decision is a massive human rights issue - prehaps an ordinary claimant couldn’t challenge it but I guarantee someone in the community will find a way round or a loophole and the dwp will be dragged to court at some point under this scenario which will be messier and trigger mass linking over cases and potentially millions in backpay.

      The more I think about the timms workshop proposal pip plan the more ridiculous and unworkable it looks. You’d need an authoritarian gov like in North Korea to pull this off with no hitches.

      Any Labour backbencher who backs this plan (if it is officially announced) are not fit to be in public office and serve the uk public imo
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    · 22 days ago
    Being cynical I expect the reason the final reports for the Fonagy review and the Milburn review that were originally due to be published before the Labour party conference, are now to be published after, is because Burnham expects significant opposition amongst his own back benchers.

    And along with the Timms PIP review it is not just a matter of what Burnham and his clique want to do. It is a matter of what their own back benchers will let them do. And if Burnham thinks defeating a major revolt by his own MPs will make him look tough or him and his party look like a chaotic mess unfit for government.
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      · 21 days ago
      @N.B.C (real one) Having hope is a positive mindset, which I believe we all have. But stating facts is another thing, which is what I've done. I wish I could see what Timms and Co. have been concocting for so long through rose-colored glasses!
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      · 21 days ago
      @Scorpion Don't be too sure I'll bet anything ,(hopefully) that there'll be enough of a kickoff generated that they'll be forced to make allowances at the very least to make sure they can get through what they intend. We need to have some form of hope in this after all, what's wrong with that?
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      · 22 days ago
      @JBob1234 " And if Burnham thinks defeating a major revolt by his own MPs.."

      Such a major revolt is a wishful thinking, as it's no longer on offer, I'm afraid!

      Several former Labour welfare rebels have signaled that they are now prepared to back the upcoming Personal Independence Payment (PIP) and welfare overhauls, following a major strategic shift by Andy Burnham's government, which focuses on system design, rather than pre-determined financial cuts, such as slashing £5 billion annually from the benefits bill on which analysts warned Starmer's government that this would push 250,000 people into poverty, which sparked the 2025 rebellion.  

      We should not wrap up ourselves in a deluded little bubble by telling ourselves that there's an army of labour MPs out there and ready to revolt against the upcoming welfare "reforms" and defend us, as this time around MPs have softened their stance due to this government's new approach.

      For instance, First Secretary of State Louise Haigh, who originally led the massive backbench revolt in 2025 has stated at this month's Labour Party conference that the parliamentary party is unified and ready to back future changes in welfare..

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      · 22 days ago
      @JBob1234 This is most likely coming down to which side of argument 225-230 Labour backbenchers swing towards

      (230 deciding the long term fates of 4mil disabled pip claimants and potentially family carers is really messed up)

      …..and no where on the internet is a list of the names of all these Labour backbenchers

      Question - do you think readers of this blog would find a list of Labour backbenchers plus contact details (that are already easy to find publically) helpful

      I’m happy to put something together if work/benefits admin are okay with that and I’m not breaking any rules that would get anyone into trouble

      This is the nearest to a bencher list I could find right now

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      · 22 days ago
      @N.B.C (real one) Don't apologise
      It is totally understandable and you are not overreacting.
      💞
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    · 22 days ago
    @Idonia your question How would a "triage" phone call work in the case of someone who doesn't even have a phone (so no mobile, no landline, no one else whose phone number they could use as a contact number instead)? Would it be done by video call?

    The Review has already covered accessibility in Point 11, which promises flexible pathways and person‑shaped interviews where additional support needs are identified. The workshop also recognised and discussed at length that not everyone can use a phone, has internet access or is digitally literate.

    At present, if you are unable to communicate by phone, you can write to the PIP office and request a claim form to be sent out to you by post. Nothing official was confirmed, but I cannot see any reason a triage assessment couldn’t also be done the same way.

    However it is done, phone, post, or home visit, the assessor will still use the evidence they collect to decide how to triage a claimant.
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      · 22 days ago
      @Mollie Thanks for your reply to my comment, Mollie.

      "The Review has already covered accessibility in Point 11, which promises flexible pathways and person‑shaped interviews where additional support needs are identified. The workshop also recognised and discussed at length that not everyone can use a phone, has internet access or is digitally literate."

      Similar things were said about the ESA to UC forced migration of around 800,000 disabled claimants, and still what occurred was a great deal of grief, stress and suffering for those who still, even with adjustments in place, found the process difficult or impossible to manage, including the 22,870 whose ESA and/or HB claims were terminated by the DWP for "failing to engage".

      My concern here being that these PIP changes will likely go in much the same way.
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    · 22 days ago
    I would like to apologise for all the posts I've put up here lately but I'm really scared about what could well be in store for us. 
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      · 22 days ago
      @N.B.C (real one) Please dont apolgise its good to talk and you are not alone thousands are feeling the same 
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    · 22 days ago
    Burnham made no comments today about PIP or disabilities in general.  Almost all of his talk about benefits was to do with young people, not people on PIP.  These are the only comments about benefits (going by a search of the speech):  

    "Conference, it’s not their fault. It’s ours.  Politicians fail to give people, young people, the support they need as they grow up in a tougher world and then threaten them in their 20s that they will strip away what they’re left with.  How is that fair? How does that build a strong society?  We have a choice, Conference.  Either we invest in our young people.   Or we pay for failure through the benefits system."

    "You will see rented homes in a poor state of repair too on so many British streets. Homes which harm the health of the people inside and drag down the streets around them.  The worst of it? Often owned by absent landlords who are paid through the benefits system but refuse to reinvest anything in the upkeep of the property...The approach I am outlining today is the responsible one. If we build a generation of council homes, we will save billions from the housing benefit budget over the decade."

    There was no mention of PIP or Universal Credit.  Or even disabilities.  No mention of Timms review.


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      · 21 days ago
      @SLB People should take note of this voice of reason. For the sake of all our mental health 
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      · 21 days ago
      @JBob1234 He made no comments on the benefits system beyond what I have quoted in my post.
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      · 22 days ago
      @SLB Nothing in the conference speeches by the PM, Chancellor, DWP Minister makes me think they have changed their plans for the young. Which appear to be raising the age people move from DLA to PIP, raising the age people are eligible for UC health (LCWRA, LCW, probably with an exemption for the severe conditions criteria group), making PIP and UC health more difficult to claim for depression, anxiety, ADHD, autism. Providing talking therapies, providing 6 month part-time minimum wage work placements, with the wages paid by the government. With the expectation that talking therapies will cure people, and with the threat of sanctions for those failing to attend their work placemets, and the prospect of being deemed work capable if they do.
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      · 22 days ago
      @SLB According to the government Ill-health is now a primary driver of who becomes NEET and who stays NEET. Due to the rising numbers with mental health conditions. Burnham went on about young people not in work or education or training and on benefits NEETS and mentioned mental health and mentioned the Milburn review. The main focus of the Milburn review is NEETS, specifically under 25s on disability (PIP) and incapacity (UC LCWRA & LCW) benefits. And went on about changing the benefits system.
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    · 22 days ago
    ... How would a "triage" phone call work in the case of someone who doesn't even have a phone (so no mobile, no landline, no one else whose phone number they could use as a contact number instead)? Would it be done by video call? So what then about people with no access to the internet? Or no devices with a camera? Would they then expect someone to, for instance, attend the Jobcentre? What about those who are bed-bound or cannot leave the house at all? Would they then send someone to the claimant's home to speak to them in person? What about those who have behaviours which challenge? Would they be allowed to have their care/support people present? And what about those who are non-verbal or partly verbal? Would their care/support people be allowed to speak on their behalf?

    There would be an awful lot of ways that these proposals could be challenged if they are implemented, including through the courts, as even just the stage of a triage phone call would, essentially, be discriminatory against a good many disabled and disadvantaged people.
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      · 22 days ago
      @rtbcpart2 And the right wing media are claiming Burnhams Labour aren’t cutting welfare at all and are going to be more generous 

      How have the disabled and right wing media got totally different scripts and both are angry at Labour &burnham

      One group has misunderstood and the right wing media have a track record of spinning disabled related welfare news 180 degrees
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      · 22 days ago
      @rtbcpart2 Gave me a chuckle, thanks :)
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      · 22 days ago
      @Idonia Honestly, Idonia, anyone would think you were trying to sabotage a perfectly good plan 😉
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    · 23 days ago
    Correct me if I’m wrong, but no mention of what Burnham has previously trumpeted, making the super wealthy and big corporations pay their way. Instead? More of the same, pensioners and the disabled, we’re coming after you. It will be his personal poll tax moment. They never learn from what has happened before them.
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      · 22 days ago
      @(No) hope Just like starmer when he said that 'those with the broadest shoulders will bear the heavier burden', yet once again, we the sick and disabled are the ones targeted. We are forever treated as the perpetual scapegoat/punching bag, it's not fair. 
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    · 23 days ago
    Apparently Burnham is adamant that their will be no early election and that it will happen in 2029, who thinks hell actually stick to that , I personally hope he does.
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    · 23 days ago
    Some snippets from Burnham's speech at the Labour party conference today.

    "If we change the way we support people, we will get more people into work and the welfare bill down. Not through crude cuts. That should never be the Labour way. But by investing in people in their success, supporting them to get where they want to be, rather than paying for failure as the country does now."
    ...
    "Almost a million young people not working or learning. Thousands of older people stuck in hospital because of the lack of good home care. We can’t afford to carry on like this. In 1945 we had the Beveridge Report. We need something similar now. A new social contract for the 21st century."
    ...
    "We have a choice, Conference. Either we invest in our young people. Or we pay for failure through the benefits system. Truthfully, we can’t afford to do both. My choice is to invest in them. We can’t retake control of the country’s future if we leave so many of our young people drifting towards it. We await the final report from Alan Milburn’s review. But I can say now we will change the education system and the welfare system."
    ...
    "We will need a fundamental rethink of the welfare system to find the money for these opportunities upfront. And we will require young people to take up the help presented to them – guaranteeing in-work support and not leaving those out of work losing confidence and connection. This is a different approach to welfare. It is based on a philosophy of social security. A country which invests in people’s success, rather than abandoning them and paying for failure, will be much more resilient to the shocks we will undoubtedly face in the rest of this century."
    ...
    "This is the Labour way. A plan for Britain that will enhance our social security and our national security. You don’t make Britain safer by leaving a younger generation without hope stuck at home looking at screens. You do it by giving young people hope again."
    ...
    "I appreciate some of it is difficult. I accept people, including in this hall, will not agree with every part of it. But I believe this is what we need, small things will not get us through what are difficult times. We need to be bigger and to have the courage of our convictions. I believe we can turn Britain around, but it requires us to think bigger about what we need to do. I will try my best to find common ground. But let me be clear. Where I can’t agree with others, I will fight hard for what I believe to be right and what I believe to be in the best interests of this country."
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    · 23 days ago
    I wonder if and how this feeds into the recent practise of extending planned reviews of current claims by several years in that once this proposed new system is up and running, the people at Capita etc are free from the deluge of new claims and reviews, and start the practise of triage calls at pace, for new and current claimants. This as they are not bogged down by all the medical assessments etc. Thus allowing triage calls for more and more current claimants, as capacity increases, effectively meaning someone with say 4 years left on an award might be triaged in say, 2 years?
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    · 23 days ago
    Thanks Mike for the info
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    · 23 days ago
    From a twitter user:

    (Labour mp) JoshMacAlister claims unemployed

    Except PIP isn't an out of work benefit, plenty of people who receive PIP are in work & PIP enables them to do that. Josh knows this. What hes doing is whipping up anger towards disabled people.



    With Labour MPs like this aren’t Tory & reform mp obsolete?!
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      · 23 days ago
      @D More concerning is after saying PIP pays people to be out of work, he said what is needed is carrot and stick to get them to work.
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    · 23 days ago
    Oh Lord Save Us.
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      · 23 days ago
      @N.B.C.
      @N.B.C. Oh Lord...won't you buy me a Mercedes benz 😂

      This level of engagement with hypothetical Timms review proposals is out of control.

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    · 23 days ago
    From the guardian live text:

    Burnham says welfare reform will make Britain 'more resilient'
    Burnham gives more details of his welfare plans.

    We will need a fundamental rethink of the welfare system …
    We will require people to take up the help [offered them] not leaving those out of work and losing confidence in connection.
    This is a different approach to welfare. It is based on a philosophy of social security, a country which invests in people success rather than abandoning them and paying for failure.
    A country like that will be much more resilient to the shocks we will undoubtedly face in the rest of this century, and more able to meet its later obligations on defence.

    Let’s think about this - if the timms workshop plans get confirmed this autumn and the rumoured snap election does happen within 6 months of these pip announcements then Burnham is relatively confident that the majority of the 4 million current pip claimants (plus their loved ones/carers who also get affected by pip reforms and cuts - so actually 5-10million) will vote strategically in that snap election and stick with Labour (whilst they are holding their noses of course)?

    I think Burnham has miscalculated how large the disabled voting group is and even after the shelving of last years pip reform take 1 still label us as weak and easy to roll over.

    I think the last 18 months have proven that the disability uk social group (plus loved ones) have the potential to be as frightening to a politician and the current pensioner group.

    Labour don’t even have to successfully push through these pip reform to start haemorrhaging the disabled vote - if these timms workshop plans are formally announced the damage could be done then and there - and a 2027 snap election would allow no time to stop and stitch up the ‘bleeding’

    I know some of you may still vote Labour to keep reform and tories out - but many have learnt what a mistake it’s been giving Labour that huge majority 2 years algo - the best option does seem to be a Labour hung gov with either Lib Dem’s and/greens

    If Lib Dem or greens came runner up in the constituency in 2024 then strategic voting needs to get them seats next election.

    These rumours are a sliver less awful then the Tory/reform plans (and tories have a history at chocking on disability reforms so they in a weird way may be preferable to Labour depending on personal circumstances) so I wouldn’t rule out the flip bird vote from some disabled either - but I do know that the disabled can self organise when a strategic vote is needed and it would be stupid if burnham presumes he has our vote as it’s our only option (he is underestimating the unpredictability of a daily attacked & smeared disabled individual 
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      · 23 days ago
      @D
      "I think Burnham has miscalculated how large the disabled voting group is and even after the shelving of last years pip reform take 1 still label us as weak and easy to roll over."

      If the Timms review comes up with something really horrendous, such as making disabled people produce receipts to justify to the government how they spend their income, undermining the cash nature of PIP, etc., and they then try to gaslight us into believing it's not so bad - or even for our own benefit - that would be a huge mistake. Sick and disabled people will be very well aware if what comes forward is going to screw us over, and that will cause another huge protest as least as big as last year's, which would shred any claim that the review was genuinely co-produced and has the support of those affected. That could lead to them having to back down again, accusations that this is just Starmer with a northern accent, and a repeat of the damage that was done to Starmer's authority, which ultimately proved to be fatal. Even if they were to get it through, it would be in the teeth of huge protests,  which would be massively damaging.
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    · 23 days ago
    Aren't they supposed to need primary legislation to bring in something like this, I thought I read that this sort of thing couldn't happen until after the next general election supposedly in 2029 or am I wrong.... hopefully not.
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    · 23 days ago
    Apparently John Healey the Chancellor said at the Conference to Left Winger Labour MPs theirs no more money.
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      · 22 days ago
      @Rupert He has recently said there will be no election before the intended one in 2029, a fact he is absolutely certain about (or do he says at least) let's hope that's the case
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      · 23 days ago
      @N.B.C They would implement before 2029,that's three years away.
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      · 23 days ago
      @Rupert There is money for a new help to buy scheme, money for defence, money for Ukraine, money for the pension triple lock at least until 2029, and money to keep corporation tax the lowest in the G7.
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      · 23 days ago
      @Rupert No more money? Does that mean implementing this before or after the 2029 general election, sorry for going on. I really am
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    · 23 days ago
    I'm sorry to keep going on about this but I'm so scared right now after reading all this, how long do you think it would take to implement these kinds of changes. Would they be in place before Nov 2029 by any chance.

    Again my apologies for all this.
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      · 21 days ago
      @N.B.C (real one) Build a paper trail how long you been on lwcra /pip ? Ive gone back 26 years of diagnoises mines all mental health i have letters stating chronic which means lifelong so piece togeather when your illness started what help support have you recieved have you used all resorces ie therapy medications do you have offical diagnois if you do make a folder of you have consultants doctors letter file them on folder you can request SARS from doctor which is free its draining never ending but fear keeps us stuck start advocating for yourself as hard as it is to reach out and deal with all of this be prepared have it all at hand much love 
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      · 22 days ago
      @N.B.C (real one) I know this isnt help to calm down, just need you to know i hear you, I get you, and you are not alone in this fear. Im sorry you, like so many of us are living with this added burden of fear. Just know please you are at least held in someone's thoughts. Even if it doesnt help the problem. You matter, we all matter, no matter what these politicians want to make us feel.
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      · 23 days ago
      @Shirker I will that unfortunately l can but hope that something happens coz I just can't calm myself down in any way right now.
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      · 23 days ago
      @D i remember reading a study, obviously reform voters wanted pip cuts % wise the most- but it was still fairly small (i think about 15%?), and many reform voters were either in support of increases to pip amounts, and the rest keeping it the same. 

      obviously the other parties studied were less likely to be in support of cuts and more in increases/keeping it the same. 

      just something labour should consider- as it is a really small amount of voters who are in support of cuts. 

      (this doesnt reflect online as 1. bots exist, and 2. the minority with the strongest opinion is often the loudest)

      i can try and find the study somewhere but i saw it a few months ago so not sure if i could. 
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      · 23 days ago
      @N.B.C First don’t count on the general election being in 2029 - I’d be very surprised if it’s not 2028 or early (unless Labour popularity tanks in a big way - then they’ll hang on to 2029)

      Common sense is the timms workshop plans are accurate then yes they’ll need new primary legislation and in all reality would need to create a new benefit to replace pip as this is a totally different benefit that’s being proposed.

      If they went down the proper channels I imagine legislation would take at least a year to get royal assent (and as a welfare bill wasn’t mentioned in the last kings speech and there is limited commons/lords time if things happen properly and McFadden doesn’t try to force some half baked legislation through gov asap, legislation shouldn’t be introduced till after the next kings speech - likely spring/summer 2027 unless we have a snap election)

      Plus I can’t remember a time where pre-existing claimants weren’t time wise at least given transactional protection (dwp historically start with new claimants for the 1st 6-24 months of a reform like this)

      Burnhams gov has made it pretty clear that pip savings will probably go  towards funding the defence 2030 spending goal so logically legislation would need to achieve royal assent no later than 2028 and pre existing claimants start moving onto the reformed pip (or a new benefit) from the second half of 2029 when their next review comes up

      And of course we still have the possibility of backbencher rebellion, huge public backlash and disability organisations/individuals possibly taken the dwp/gov to court (as if you read the timms provisional report plus certain quotes from timms board chairs and member it’s clear no cooperation with uk disabled has happened and all our feedback has been ignored or twisted to suit them - but I know nothing legal can be launched until something official is announced/confirmed)

      So if burnham gov do implement things in proper procedure then their is some time


      However we can’t rule out politicans breaking procedure or twisting it to create loopholes. One criticism McFadden had of the pip reforms take 1 is that Kendall didn’t move fast enough to get the policy through and allowed too much time for backlash to form and grow. So I’m not ruling out McFadden ignoring proper procedure and try to ram through something that’s nowhere near fit for purpose and rolling it out far too quickly so burnham in his snap election (if he does have one early) can say he’s already enacted (disability) welfare cuts and got more disabled into the workplace in his short time in office and somewhat neutralise the expected Tory/reform attack lines on that topic.

      Of course there’s a lot of public hostility towards pip claimants right now so it’s possible Burnham plan for the disabled will win him more votes than lost. But there are also polls showing that some of the public don’t think disabled should have money cut or that cuts should happen to another more unpopular social group first.

      I honestly think Burnham is nuts if he gets on board with these timms workshop rumoured policy. There’s not many ways he comes out without at least some self inflicted wounds and he will lose some political capital (which isn’t infinite) - pip reform mark 1 was the first nail in starmers coffin (it was the start of the avalanche that ended his tenure) and Burnham is daft if he thinks an even nastier policy may have the same effect on his premiership.

      (But after watching his interaction with trump last week I’m starting to wonder if I overestimated Burnhams intelligence and he’s more of a limp puppet controlled by other ministers personal agenda then Starmer ever was)
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    · 23 days ago
    Timms Review is nothing but lip service intended to legitimize predetermined outcomes to cut benefits. The public consultation format was flawed on purpose, and disabled people and organizations are being brought into a so-called co-production process only to endorse such outcomes, rather than working on meaningful system improvements.
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    · 23 days ago
    So what us going to happen to us the over 50s especially? I am so terrified at what's been printed here, what are we all supposed to do starve or end up on the street?
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    · 23 days ago

    It could be worse if Reform get in they will have us Sweeping the Streets.

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